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Old 07-04-2019, 02:14 PM
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Jandro: Since there were no face cards involved, that left 36 choices. He has them concealed and sorted by suit. By asking Teller if he wants this suit or that suit, he is able to eliminate each unneeded suit until he is left with only one suit of nine cards. He uses a lot of patter and jokes to give him time to go through the nine cards, presumably marked in a tactile way that makes it possible for him to find the selected card. The clay is not sealed on one end. When the clay covered box was brought out, it was clear that one end had been open and only roughly squeezed shut, not closed in a uniform or smooth way like the rest of the clay. So with the one end of the clay open, he can take the selected card, slide it into the box through a narrow gap at the seam of the box corner facing the open clay edge, and squeeze the clay end closed. The box did not have trap doors and was actually locked, but a gap small enough to slide a single card would not be immediately noticeable. P&T did not examine the box closely or look inspect the card for markings before awarding the prize.
This is exactly my thought on this trick. He could easily have had 38 cards indexed inside the Lego box, and there was plenty enough time to locate the card, hide the rest, slide it into the box and squeeze the clay shut. I was very surprised they awarded the FU so quickly.

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Old 07-05-2019, 08:37 PM
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This is exactly my thought on this trick. He could easily have had 38 cards indexed inside the Lego box, and there was plenty enough time to locate the card, hide the rest, slide it into the box and squeeze the clay shut. I was very surprised they awarded the FU so quickly.
I vote for this solution as well. His hand was in that Lego box - and out of our sight - for an awfully long time. When you think about it there was no legit reason for his hand to be on the box at all.

As for the hangman trick, I was very underwhelmed. There was an entire behind-the-curtain area that we could not see. Anything could be going on back there. I imagine an assistant totally disabling both the rope and the trapdoor that corresponded with the number the performer was standing on.

And if you are about to claim this is vulnerable to human error and thus too dangerous, I would posit that the entire prop was designed so that there would never be a risk of harming the performer, even with malfunction or human error.


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And if you are about to claim this is vulnerable to human error and thus too dangerous, I would posit that the entire prop was designed so that there would never be a risk of harming the performer, even with malfunction or human error.
That's a great point. The gallows were likely all rigged to break off under the weight of an actual person. I was rather unimpressed by that trick as well.
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Old 07-07-2019, 10:51 PM
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The hangman trick was super lame - I don't even know what the point was supposed to be, as said there was plenty of opportunity for the apparatus to be manipulated behind the scenes - I'm also sure it was not actually dangerous in case anything went wrong (for example, the noose loops could have been connected to the ropes via magnets that could be separated with a light pull.)
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Old 07-08-2019, 12:46 AM
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What is the Korean Medallion trick Penn referenced for Akaido and what is the variation he and his brother did to it?
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My guess on the Harry Keaton one:
The box has two "rooms". The wall has the same colors as the backdrop on the stage. It looks like we can see through it, but we are looking at a divider in the box.
Allison reaches into the back room and feels the sponge or whatever, and then when the box is lifted we see the front room with the rock.
And I was wondering, for an illusion trick if Allison can see how it's done from her perspective, is the "rules" that she keeps quiet about it and act like she doesn't know?
I'm quoting this because it saves me explaining which trick I'm talking about. Nobody mentioned seeing this. I was shocked that, having seen it, that Penn & Teller were fooled. I thought for sure this would tip what he was doing.

"With your left hand, you felt a hairbrush. You're sure about this?"

This is when he's reaching behind the trick box and pulling out a black-ish. . .baglike object from within it that he then sticks to the back of his coat, and it hangs below his coat and sticks out backwards a bit. If you continue to watch carefully, as he turns, and especially as he as puts the cactus back on his display shelf, you can see the bag. Watch as he says, "Now finally, finally, I will change your perception." he places the bag on the stand behind the cactus. It might be a black velvet item shaped to feel like a teddy bear, which is what Alison feels, right before she says she feels a hairbrush.

I think that the table top the trick box is sitting on may be a bit deeper than we might think at first. Also, the table is supported with 4 round, tubelike legs, and the base of the table is a black box. The base is quite far from the trick box, but I've learned to understand that almost nothing in tricks like these are accidents. It's possible that he is transporting collapsible items to/from the base. It's more probably sleight-of-hand, though

He puts his hand behind the box after Alison feels the, "grapes and grass", and before the wine glass is revealed. I think he finds a way to subtly put his hand back there after every time she feels something, but before the reveal. Finally, I noticed that Alison is not putting her hand/arm very far into the box.

I feel like there are things here that someone could pick apart and possibly understand what he's doing, but I think I'm done. I just thought I'd post what I noticed. I saw the black 'bag' hanging off of him, and his disposing of it, on first viewing, and I saw him sticking his hand behind the box between the 'feel' and the 'reveal', but the rest was noticed on repeat viewings.

It was a great trick, and I quite enjoyed it. I'm still surprised though, given what I saw, that Penn and Teller were fooled.
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Old 07-08-2019, 10:38 PM
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Episode 3 (?) - The “cardistry girl” - wow. No idea how she did that.
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Anna Deguzman - talented cardistry magic. I'm not sure what Penn was alluding to when he talked about her having a good memory (memorizing the deck?), but I thought the six of hearts was a straightforward force. She clearly juggled the cards in her hands, I'm just not sure how she could have counted down 24 cards in the untouched deck.

Raffaele Scircoli - creepy human puppet (*fooler). So "bone conduction" was apparently 1 of 3 methods used here and they apparently ruled out the possibility of an earpiece while examining the mask/plugs. How else would the human participant know to raise three fingers or stand up and take a step forward without direct instruction? (And what is the point of ear plugs if he can still hear everything the guy is saying?)

Allen Abbott - poor goldfish in shot glasses. I never saw him turn off the lamp at the end, so I'm guessing it was a trick of stage lighting (or maybe in the shade itself), but I assume the fish were in the lightbulb the entire time (and obviously not the original ones manipulated in the glasses).

Axel Hecklau - driver's license from elsewhere. So, smoke and mirrors aside, "nest of envelopes" was a new concept to me. Something about him smuggling it in via the application form? (I watched it again and still didn't catch it.) Also, did anyone else pay close attention to the ID card to make sure that "Teller" is actually his legal name?

P&T - secret coding techniques - honestly, this was very impressive and I'm not sure what Teller's "tells" were.

Also, sidebar: That Penn & Teller VR prank game F U, U, U, & U (Frankly Unfair, Unkind, Unnecessary, and Underhanded) came out today on PSVR (June 27 on other devices). I'm curious if anyone here has tried it out. It basically seems like an updated version of their old VHS tape, Cruel Tricks for Dear Friends.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCuzu7Zso48

(I'm so glad it doesn't require you to drive around for 8 hours in a bus.)

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Old 07-10-2019, 12:35 AM
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Axel Hecklau - driver's license from elsewhere. So, smoke and mirrors aside, "nest of envelopes" was a new concept to me. Something about him smuggling it in via the application form? (I watched it again and still didn't catch it.) Also, did anyone else pay close attention to the ID card to make sure that "Teller" is actually his legal name?
Here's the trick on YouTube.

https://youtu.be/pBDal7hQ6Dg

If you freeze it when Axel reveals the license (about 5:05 to the video), you can see it says Teller. That's his legal name. He was born Raymond Joseph Teller and has legally shortened it to just his surname.

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Old 07-10-2019, 03:35 AM
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P&T - secret coding techniques - honestly, this was very impressive and I'm not sure what Teller's "tells" were.
Teller gets into his frozen position before the guest shows him the face of the card. However, before getting into position, Teller did watch him choose the card from the deck. So possibly the back of the cards were uniquely marked in a way that was obvious only to Teller, and the position he adopted (for example, the placement of his hands, feet, head, and body) was the code that Penn read.

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Old 07-10-2019, 09:53 AM
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Anna Deguzman - talented cardistry magic. I'm not sure what Penn was alluding to when he talked about her having a good memory (memorizing the deck?), but I thought the six of hearts was a straightforward force. She clearly juggled the cards in her hands, I'm just not sure how she could have counted down 24 cards in the untouched deck.
My guess on this one is that she has both decks memorized (at least to a depth of 31 cards), and after asking Allison to pick a number, she was able to force Penn to choose the card that was that many down in the other deck.
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Old 07-11-2019, 11:40 AM
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Raffaele Scircoli - creepy human puppet (*fooler). So "bone conduction" was apparently 1 of 3 methods used here and they apparently ruled out the possibility of an earpiece while examining the mask/plugs. How else would the human participant know to raise three fingers or stand up and take a step forward without direct instruction? (And what is the point of ear plugs if he can still hear everything the guy is saying?)
What hit me first was that Scircoli insisted on 'helping' the volunteer put on the mask, and you saw him apparently adjusting something behind the volunteer's right ear. It was a simple shell mask with an elastic string, there could be no legitimate need for help, so I assumed at that point he was sticking some sort of speaker to that bone right behind the flap of the ear. And from then on, the volunteer became a willing stooge and followed the orders someone radioed into the speaker.

IOW, Penn was right on with his bone 'conduction' hint. I didn't see anything else that needed explaining -- all he did was point dramatically at the volunteers body and physically move the mannequin. I guess there must have been.

At least, would the judge let a magician get away with saying 'there were two more tricks' if there weren't?
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What hit me first was that Scircoli insisted on 'helping' the volunteer put on the mask, and you saw him apparently adjusting something behind the volunteer's right ear. It was a simple shell mask with an elastic string, there could be no legitimate need for help, so I assumed at that point he was sticking some sort of speaker to that bone right behind the flap of the ear. And from then on, the volunteer became a willing stooge and followed the orders someone radioed into the speaker.

IOW, Penn was right on with his bone 'conduction' hint. I didn't see anything else that needed explaining -- all he did was point dramatically at the volunteers body and physically move the mannequin. I guess there must have been.

At least, would the judge let a magician get away with saying 'there were two more tricks' if there weren't?
I'm a little surprised that they'd allow a "willing stooge" trick given their disdain for stooges. But I don't see any other way that it could be done.
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The rat trap guy either did actually memorize the layout, or could see through the blindfold somehow (my guess is the latter was "the trick" if there was one). IIRC he didn't have a bystander inspect the blindfold, which is usually done in blindfold tricks.
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2. Rebecca Herrera - Pulling numbers out of thin air. Did the sound of the blocks give it away, or was she concealing a device that wouldn't set off a metal detector? Would she be able to be signaled by an off-camera audience member or is that against the rules? I'm actually interested in learning more about this one.
I think that they might have banned thumpers and similar devices, since it's too easy to hide one randomly.

I don't think the music is the key, though obviously it could be. I think that she may have been the one to mention the Piddingtons in her first act and Penn mentioned the name in the crowd, so I expect that she followed their technique.

Since I happen to actually know that technique, rather than merely speculating openly on the topic, I'll leave that there.

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Old 07-13-2019, 01:51 AM
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Am I the only person reading this thread who listens to the Penn's Sunday School podcast? That seems really odd to me considering people posting here appear to be fans of Penn & Teller.

I mention this because each season there is a fair amount of discussion about each episode of P&TFU and how the magicians do what they do. Penn & gang don't give things away but there is enough discussion to make it clear to me most of the people in this thread are way off base on a number of the tricks performed so far this season.
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Am I the only person reading this thread who listens to the Penn's Sunday School podcast? That seems really odd to me considering people posting here appear to be fans of Penn & Teller.

I mention this because each season there is a fair amount of discussion about each episode of P&TFU and how the magicians do what they do. Penn & gang don't give things away but there is enough discussion to make it clear to me most of the people in this thread are way off base on a number of the tricks performed so far this season.
Does he talk about them when they're filmed or when they're aired?
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On the puppet guy: I was thinking how it could be done - not how it was. It would take an expert to make it work.
First, put in something so the guy can hear messages. Either with the earplug, or maybe the earplug was a red herring/diversion. Maybe making comments during the show so he thinks the magician is talking the whole time.

While demonstrating the touching/raising hands thing place two or more items on his back that will simulate touching. They would be controlled remotely. (trick number 1)
While seating him then take of the items (need to at some point). The chair is a "magic touching chair" (trick number 2)
Then say through the earpiece (the guy thinks the magician is saying this to everybody) something about adding a little to the trick. Instead of just raising your hand, hold up the number of times you are touched. If you are touched twice on the right side, hold up two fingers on the right hand. If touched four times on the left side hold up four fingers on the left side. Him holding up three fingers meant he was touched three times. (trick 3)
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Does he talk about them when they're filmed or when they're aired?
After they have aired he goes back and reviews who was on that week and shares some of the thought process he and Teller went through. He doesn't give away things explictly but there are more hints as to what is going on. Often when talking about tricks that may appear straightforward and simple he will indicate that no, it wasn't at all.
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Anna Deguzman - talented cardistry magic. I'm not sure what Penn was alluding to when he talked about her having a good memory (memorizing the deck?), but I thought the six of hearts was a straightforward force. She clearly juggled the cards in her hands, I'm just not sure how she could have counted down 24 cards in the untouched deck.
I've been watching Chris Ramsay's channel (mostly for his puzzle content) and seen him try to do some spontaneous cardistry, usually failing to do anything. I get the sense that a lot of YouTube cardistry is the same as this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nRZhGP5apQ

Which is to say editing + sufficient skill and planning to allow one to succeed once before dying of boredom. Visually impressive, when viewed in a video, but less impressive if you were sitting in the same room.

As-is, we still see her flub a few moves but nothing that she can't return from. I'd vote that it was pretty damn amazing to have done so well, live, in front of her heroes.

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I don't know what the technical name is of the move where you slide your finger down the side of a deck, to allow someone to pick a card from it, so I'll just call it a "scan" for the purposes of this spoiler.

If you step through the video on YouTube, you can see a line down the side of the deck as she scans, like she has slipped a finger into the bottom of the deck at that position or inserted something at that point. When Penn calls "stop" that divide ends up being the place at which the stops, perfectly. She must be slow-rolling and skips forward to the punchline when he calls stop. (He's been kind enough to call stop within a reasonable amount of time, like a common sucker, rather than being a prick magician trying to screw her up.)

Basically, she has memorized the order of the deck (both decks start in the same order). Once Allison calls the number, she uses her memory to recall what's at position 24 in the deck, originally. She then finds that card in the deck and moves it to maybe 3/4ths the way through the deck, does the false scan, and she's completely set from that point forward.

My guess would be that she was supposed to show the card twice, but her perfect shuffles and cardistry weren't quite perfect and the other 6 of hearts didn't end up in the right place (probably one or two cards away from the 24th slot).

All of which is to say, she forced Penn to pick the card at the 24th spot in Teller's deck.
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Anyone else shocked that Penn said they had been researching that trick for months? Months????? Just to perform a slight of hand trick with Thread?
In general, the key components of magic (ignoring presentation) are:

1) Misdirection.
2) Coming up with a way to cheat that's hard to envision.
3) Practicing the same move over and over again to be able to do something that people would think is physically impossible.

Watching some magicians talk about their personal lives, they basically all say that they're morons for spending so much wasted time in their life practicing moves, instead of going out and making friends. They've all spent months and years doing things like practicing shuffling two decks together so that the cards perfectly alternate from the two halves in a riffle shuffle. Most people would spend their times doing things that are more productive.

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Helen Couglin bugs the shit out of me. She's managed to get two fools but she's the dullest presenter to ever be on the show. Use some damn showmanship.
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I agree that Helen Coghlan’s trick was not good. There are three possible reasons that the assistants were out of our sight line for as long as they were:
1. They were undoing her locks. This is the obvious and most likely explanation, and she lawyered away the definition of “inside the enclosure” by contending they reached in or something.
2. They were red herrings. She wanted P&T to think this was the answer to throw them off. I don’t care for this tactic, but it’s a possibility.
3. The trick was just that poorly designed and performed. Given what we’ve seen of her, I’d believe this.
Whichever it was, this whole act was a clunker.
It looks like Helen really makes her living by organizing and officiating weddings:

https://www.facebook.com/pg/simplyma...=page_internal

No mention in the reviews at all of her even doing any magic at all.

My guess would be that, functionally, she's serving as a stand-in for her dad to prove himself. Possibly she tried her hand at professional magic and came to the realization that she didn't have the right stuff for it. I assume that she's come to grips with that, long ago, and is fine to not even really try. Why bother being cringey if you can just do the trick straight-forward and win?

Personally, I actually don't mind the straightforward approach, though minus P&T's Q&A with her, I'll admit that it wouldn't be that impressive for the trick to have been run in that way.

But I do think that "Was there a person in the cabinet?" and "Was there ever a person in the cabinet?" both rule out the idea that she had any outside aid. Sticking your arm in to hand her something or fiddle around with something would pretty clearly be being "in the cabinet". The behind-the-scenes judges wouldn't let her say "no" if they knew that someone was doing something for her, inside the cabinet. There was none of that.

I don't know how the trick is done, but I do note that we never see the stand that she used, just the handcuff bar.

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I expect that it was deconstructed/demolished in some way. Just cause you call something steel doesn't mean that it's steel. And just because something is steel doesn't mean that it looks as robust as it actually is from all incidences of attack. If I'd been Teller, I would have tried to use the handcuff bar as a lever and see how much torque the loop can take.

From there, I expect that there was a key inside the stand somewhere. Presumably, taking the cap off the end and reaching down and in to grab it was viewed as impossible to accomplish while still connected to the rod, or else they would have asked that. They probably assume that there is such a key and that it's not worth asking the question, it's just not the ultimate solution to the question.

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Harry Keaton: Left/right brain tricks. I loved this act. Maybe the best part was watching P&T's expressions being transformed back to wide-eyed 5-year-old kids. I could definitely see Harry's hand going behind the box after every "transition" and somehow performing the switcheroo, but it was seamless and perplexing and amazing to watch. A well-deserved win.
I think that the first and third trick were just sleight of hand. I don't know that I would have passed him.

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First: The box has a shelf inside of it about 1/3rd up from the floor, hinged on one side. This can be swiveled up and down and probably has a spring that can cause it to fold back and up into the side wall on its own.

Trick 1: Dump the sponge and the rock. The rock goes on the floor and the sponge goes on the shelf. Just before the reveal, steal the sponge and slide it up your sleeve, and release the latch holding the shelf down.

Trick 2: Create a box with a rotating lid. On the underside of the lid, build a preserved cactus into the top and glue dirt and stuff around it to look like a live plant. Slide this under the shelf. On the shelf, set out an ultra-compressible teddy bear. Swap the bear for a comb, midway. Bear gets compressed and put under your jacket or something, comb goes in the pocket. Unlatch the shelf and the box lid, the shelf flips up, the lid flips over, and bob's your uncle. (Possibly/probably the shelf isn't even used at all, the underside of the lid just serves as the false floor.)

Trick 3: There's a secondary shelf that comes out from the opposite wall as the normal one which has some fake grass built into it. The grapes get slid into the base of the table after he's done with them and he sneaks the glass in after flipping up the shelf.


I don't think it's too fooling. Just the fact that two of the items were squishy and that the cactus was as tall as its base makes it pretty clear what's going on.
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I think that they might have banned thumpers and similar devices, since it's too easy to hide one randomly.

I don't think the music is the key, though obviously it could be. I think that she may have been the one to mention the Piddingtons in her first act and Penn mentioned the name in the crowd, so I expect that she followed their technique.

Since I happen to actually know that technique, rather than merely speculating openly on the topic, I'll leave that there.
Actually, watching the segment again, Penn says that she used a method that even the people watching the show on TV would be able to use, so I guess it probably is the music / sound effects.
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Re: Episode 6: The tactile trick. There may be some obviousity as to the fact that the magician is clearly doing some hand work behind the back of the box, but that should not be enough to say out loud to consider P&T fooled. What is he doing? Where are the props going or coming from?

Someone suggested maybe a shelf pops out when the front i in place. There's no space for a shelf with any items to be hidden that we can see, but more importantly, if the sponge was on a high shelf, Allison would have noticed the box was super shallow all of a sudden and that is a risk the volunteer will say something.

The cactus was far too big to allow for something to it on top. And there is no obvious room for grapes in the wine glass - they've have to be tiny grapes and Allison would still have felt the glass if it were originally in there.

As for the lego trick, an index seems the most logical, and a gap to slip the card in, but there's still no hard evidence of it that we can observe other than the logic of "somehow he MUST have got the card in there." - the alarm could have been circumvented a few ways, but it got me thinking about those plastic pull-tab strips you can insert between the battery and the contact when something is newly bought, and he could easily have pulled such a slip out after rigging the box. IF he needed to get the lid open to plant the card.
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Someone asked what the Koran Medallion is - it was a trick by Koran where he would ask three audience members to name a digit, write down the resulting 3-digit number and pull out a medallion and tell the person to "read the number inscribed on the back".

I couldn't find 100% confirmation, but my understanding is that while writing down the 3-digit number on a little pad so he could "record" the number, he would also write it down on a little slip that fit on the back of the medallion.

The wordplay is, to the best of my understanding, that in asking the volunteer to read what was "inscribed" on the back, you picture an "engraving" carved into metal, but "inscribed" can also mean handwritten, which is what was on the back (the audience doesn't see).

These guys came up with a way to avoid the wordsmanship by actually producing an insert that appears engraved that they could outright show the audience. It's clearly the reason he has to write a reward amount that he doesn't even seem to ask Allison to come up with (unless that banter was cut). It's an opportunity to "write" the engraved plaque.

The gallows guy, I note that Penn mentioned that "Penn and Teller" didn't do the trick but "pen and notepad" had a big role - I'm not sure why - did Allison's pad have something to do with it? Also, VERY surprised that the bag of envelopes was handled so amateurish - no verification that the bag has unique numbers - no inspection by P&T - no showing the audience what she pulled, etc.
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Someone suggested maybe a shelf pops out when the front i in place. There's no space for a shelf with any items to be hidden that we can see, but more importantly, if the sponge was on a high shelf, Allison would have noticed the box was super shallow all of a sudden and that is a risk the volunteer will say something.
1) The items are not on the shelf when it is folded up.
2) Her ability to examine and think about the depth of the box is an assumption on your part. She mostly stands next to it, she's busy interacting with the magician and hosting a show, and her forearm never goes further than halfway in.

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There were a few odd edits during the Wedding Ring trick (watch how his hands move when he says “Make sure that it’s your ring”), but I guess we have to trust that P&T wouldn’t cut out anything that would “help” a magician. Any ideas how he did it?

Having her move the ladder a few inches to the “center of the stage” was strange - I wonder what role that action played in the trick.
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1) The items are not on the shelf when it is folded up.
2) Her ability to examine and think about the depth of the box is an assumption on your part. She mostly stands next to it, she's busy interacting with the magician and hosting a show, and her forearm never goes further than halfway in.

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As a matter of fact, Allison DOES reach all the way in - on the first reach when the box is empty, her finger tips are basically to the bottom of the box and she has more forearm room to reach if she wanted.

That said, I will grant you that when reaching in on the sponge, she does NOT seem to be reaching in nearly as far. So perhaps there is a shelf or at least something on top of the rock.

It does seem to me though that it would be very risky for the magician to do this trick repeatedly and necessarily rely on the belief that no volunteer will notice the height difference.

If there IS a shelf, it doesn't seem automated with the front shield, because he removes the front shield on that first reach-in while her arm is still inside. It's far from a clear shot, but the overhead shot doesn't SEEM to show anything other than the front over in a channel. No mechanisms near the channel are obvious. He does wait for her to remove her arm before placing the screen after the initial demonstration. But he doesn't seem to fiddle with anything obvious or do anything suspicious that would seem like operating a shelf.

In the moment after Allison feels the sponge, he hovers his left hand behind the bottom of the box. He doesn't step near the base to operating anything by foot.

There are two metal prongs on the table visible when he picks the box up - which could just be for alignment to keep the thing facing forward or otherwise from moving, but could possibly be functional in some way.

I just noticed something - it appears they may have refilmed this or used a shot from rehearsal because when discussing the teddy bear, from the front and magician-side angle, she seems to reach fairly shallow and with her elbow at a right angle whereas from allison-side camera, she has almost her full forearm in the box up to the elbow.

Similarly, when she reaches for the grapes it does look a bit shallow, but then from allison-side, she is again reaching very deeply - am I being misled by the angle? I don't think so. It's not a take from another part of the trick because in both instances there is a direct reference (something about the bear is spoken, and in this case, the hypnogrape wheel is visible).

Very odd; but he's clearly working some quick hand-work behind the box every time there's a switch - there are some very deliberate moves around the brush to cactus switch.

Upon review, from the main two angles, the depth of her arm could suggest she isn't reaching down very far. It just seems like the trick then relies on the audience member being naive or not saying anything, because I would certainly expect that I'd notice having to reach all the way to my elbow and then barely having to reach in at all the next time.

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Teller gets into his frozen position before the guest shows him the face of the card. However, before getting into position, Teller did watch him choose the card from the deck. So possibly the back of the cards were uniquely marked in a way that was obvious only to Teller, and the position he adopted (for example, the placement of his hands, feet, head, and body) was the code that Penn read.
I think it's simpler than that. They use the first two tricks to illustrate how many possible ways there are to communicate info, but that last time, it's a simple force. It's brilliant because the audience is looking for some glimpse of a tell, and missing the fact that Penn knew the third card before they even began.

There was plenty of opportunity for Teller to do a deck swap between the second and third trick, and it's telling that they had the volunteer point to and pull one card out of the face-down deck before looking at it, rather than a more natural "take any card". A clear sign of a force to me.
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I think that the first and third trick were just sleight of hand. I don't know that I would have passed him.

[...]Trick 2: Create a box with a rotating lid. On the underside of the lid, build a preserved cactus into the top and glue dirt and stuff around it to look like a live plant. Slide this under the shelf. On the shelf, set out an ultra-compressible teddy bear. Swap the bear for a comb, midway. Bear gets compressed and put under your jacket or something, comb goes in the pocket. Unlatch the shelf and the box lid, the shelf flips up, the lid flips over, and bob's your uncle. (Possibly/probably the shelf isn't even used at all, the underside of the lid just serves as the false floor.)

I don't think it's too fooling. Just the fact that two of the items were squishy and that the cactus was as tall as its base makes it pretty clear what's going on.
On rewind, we could clearly see him reach down and push the button on the cactus stand to make the cactus plant appear (we thought it popped up, but the rotating idea is even better).
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There were a few odd edits during the Wedding Ring trick (watch how his hands move when he says “Make sure that it’s your ring”), but I guess we have to trust that P&T wouldn’t cut out anything that would “help” a magician. Any ideas how he did it?
Don't know how he did it - I did notice the weird looking seams on the back of his jacket and the sides of his pants, but was still surprised when he pulled his clothes off (and when Teller kissed him on his shoulder!)
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I'm fairly certain that step ladder is vitally important to the wedding ring trick. Penn implied that the magician had a mechanism in his suit to move the ring from his hand through his pants and onto the shoe, which was disproved by his dramatic disrobing at the end. I think there is an equivalent mechanism hidden inside the leg of that ladder to transport the ring to his shoe.
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I think it's safe to assume the ring is not actually tied onto his shoelaces - his fingers are covering everything while she supposedly checks the knot, and while he "unties" them (note even Alyson comments how his shoes are tied after the trick, when he is never shown re-tying them) - I think he somehow gets the ring onto a little loop of material that is somehow (magnetically?) attached to his shoe - maybe dropped down his leg via an open-bottomed pocket?
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I think it's safe to assume the ring is not actually tied onto his shoelaces - his fingers are covering everything while she supposedly checks the knot, and while he "unties" them (note even Alyson comments how his shoes are tied after the trick, when he is never shown re-tying them) - I think he somehow gets the ring onto a little loop of material that is somehow (magnetically?) attached to his shoe - maybe dropped down his leg via an open-bottomed pocket?
You can see it dangling from his shoelace while he walks over to the ladder, so it seems to be connected fairly well.

Though, at the same time, he seems to be holding the laces strangely while she takes the ring off his shoe.

Personally, I thought that he simply had some elastic going straight from his shoe to the handkerchief, right through mid-air. The ring does seem to appear on the shoe directly after he flicks the handkerchief through the air.

Maybe the difference between directly reeling the ring to the shoe than reeling it through your clothes is a sufficiently large technical difference from a magical standpoint that it wouldn't be considered the same effect as what Penn described?

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Personally, I thought that he simply had some elastic going straight from his shoe to the handkerchief, right through mid-air
I dunno - diamonds are famously "hard", but that only means scratch resistant, and many have been shattered by a moderate bump - I'd imagine his method has to treat her ring more gently than that.

I agree that it appears to be already attached to his shoe by the time he walks to the ladder.
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Am I the only person reading this thread who listens to the Penn's Sunday School podcast? That seems really odd to me considering people posting here appear to be fans of Penn & Teller.

I mention this because each season there is a fair amount of discussion about each episode of P&TFU and how the magicians do what they do. Penn & gang don't give things away but there is enough discussion to make it clear to me most of the people in this thread are way off base on a number of the tricks performed so far this season.
I wish I had enough time to listen to every podcast, and watch every show and video out there. There have been so many tricks that have perplexed me over the years that I've forgotten about which I would have loved to know the real story on, but it would be impossible to catch up now.

For me, I joined the site back in 2015 (during the earliest P&T Fool Us thread) after searching online for possible solutions to tricks. This kind of became my annual retreat to return to every new season. It's been fun speculating with others here, both amateur and professional alike, even if we are far off the mark. I have no personal experience (obviously) but I've been interested in magic my whole life and loved those Masked Magician specials back in the day which exposed so many of the old methods. This has almost been like a modern equivalent.

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Season 6, Episode 5 - July 15, 2019

Alyson Hannigan started out the show by pointing out the thing about her wearing the same outfit every episode. I remember people mentioning that on these threads before (I'm guessing there are probably reddit threads devoted to this show too, though I never checked).

Adrian Carratala: Ring around the shoelace (*fooler*). I read the discussion above and agree that the ladder must have played a role somehow (besides being a distraction with the empty box). I thought the breakaway clothing reveal at the end was brilliant showmanship. I like that he purposefully misdirected them and anticipated their folly. (If they had guessed the correct method, it would have been embarrassing.)

Kevin Blake: Cards on rhapsody. Anyone else surprised to hear the rhymes coming out of that guy's mouth? So since the ending was prerecorded, they were both obviously forced cards (or somehow changed form), but how? Is it one of those "heat" signature things? Penn did mention it was a gutsy thing for him to leave the evidence with them.

Ryan Stock & Amberlynn: "Gross" magic. I really enjoyed their performance and am interested in looking up the world records they hold. Penn says that it's "all magic," but I'm not familiar with the methodology here. So it's not actually a deviated septum/sucking milk up and out your nose thing? And did she have some sort of rig attached to her finger or did she really project milk out of her eye? Penn mentioned that he hammered nails up his nose (is that not a real thing either?) and Teller pulled a bean out of his eye (a popular illusion). I'm fascinated by this distinction between carnie/geek stuff and "real" tricks.

Christopher Castellini: Paraplegic mentalist. I could have sworn someone did this trick on the show a couple of years back. So I'm a little confused at the instructions here: the volunteer was supposed to pick a word that had "at least" 6 letters, but it could have been anything between 1-10 letters? Seems pretty straightforward; a doctored book with "unexpected" on every first line. Could the volunteer have possibly picked a different word?

P&T: Indoor street magic demonstration. So this was really an enlightening (and disillusioning) segment for me since I've always wondered about David Blaine, Dynamo and other "man on the street" magic. (Was all the "believe" stuff a direct dig at Criss Angel?) So basically it's all rehearsed and fake and everyone in shot is a stooge? I want my innocence back.
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I dunno - diamonds are famously "hard", but that only means scratch resistant, and many have been shattered by a moderate bump - I'd imagine his method has to treat her ring more gently than that.

I agree that it appears to be already attached to his shoe by the time he walks to the ladder.
I'm going to assume that there's a missing moment in the footage shown on TV where it might be more clear (they actively remove footage of "the dirty work", since people can step through frame by frame and crack all the secrets otherwise).

It is true that magic acts generally don't do anything or have any props that aren't necessary for the truck to be performed (and this extends even to extra mannerisms like fumbling the cards or coughing, etc.) Everything you see is usually necessary for the performance to succeed.

In this case, though, I'm not strongly leaning towards the idea that the ladder was necessary. I feel like there's a good chance that its part in the process was to mislead Penn & Teller. The words on the back of his shirt pretty well imply that they picked one of the less impressive (in his opinion) solutions and that he had set up the trick to send them on a wild goose chase in a variety of ways.

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I wish I had enough time to listen to every podcast, and watch every show and video out there. There have been so many tricks that have perplexed me over the years that I've forgotten about which I would have loved to know the real story on, but it would be impossible to catch up now.
I checked out about ten minutes of one on YouTube and it's basically Penn and some other guys having a chat while, by happenstance, being recorded. Being in a water cooler chat is fun to do. Listening to someone else's...eh, not my thing.

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Adrian Carratala: Ring around the shoelace (*fooler*). I read the discussion above and agree that the ladder must have played a role somehow (besides being a distraction with the empty box). I thought the breakaway clothing reveal at the end was brilliant showmanship. I like that he purposefully misdirected them and anticipated their folly. (If they had guessed the correct method, it would have been embarrassing.)
I don't know. There are a fair number of cases of people setting up messages to P&T saying "nope" and "wrong", etc. but those always seemed well-intentioned and playful. To me, this guy just more came across as a cocky a-hole. I suspect that if he comes back to try and beat them again they'll go double-effort to bust him and make him look bad just because he was a jerk about the whole thing this time.

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P&T: Indoor street magic demonstration. So this was really an enlightening (and disillusioning) segment for me since I've always wondered about David Blaine, Dynamo and other "man on the street" magic. (Was all the "believe" stuff a direct dig at Criss Angel?) So basically it's all rehearsed and fake and everyone in shot is a stooge? I want my innocence back.
Some is, some isn't. Street magic TV specials typically have a mix of "real" genuine performance with other stuff that involves setups and stooges. David Blaine is a genuinely talented magician but he is also notorious for pushing the boundaries of stoogism and camera tricks on his TV specials. Of course, he would argue that that's just all part of the performance and you use whatever tools the medium affords you to achieve the effect you want.

P&T here are obviously making fun of one end of that spectrum. I thought it was a brilliant act and right up their alley (Ha!). At the end you can see the original camera man quickly duck behind the wall and switch places with Teller. But I have no idea how Teller disappears from the chair.
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At the end you can see the original camera man quickly duck behind the wall and switch places with Teller. But I have no idea how Teller disappears from the chair.
I happen to know this one due to seeing something I wasn't supposed to see during a stage magic act I saw once a long time ago.

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If you want to figure it out for yourself then I'll just note that Teller sits real still don't he!

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P&T: Indoor street magic demonstration. So this was really an enlightening (and disillusioning) segment for me since I've always wondered about David Blaine, Dynamo and other "man on the street" magic. (Was all the "believe" stuff a direct dig at Criss Angel?) So basically it's all rehearsed and fake and everyone in shot is a stooge? I want my innocence back. [/QUOTE]

Definitely not a dig at David Blaine. Penn has stated in the past that he is a big fan of Blaine's street magic specials from the 90s.

It's clearly mocking Criss Angel and, to a lesser extent, Dynamo and YouTube magicians.

Angel is pretty infamous for using stooges, setups and camera edits to present his silly tricks, and most magicians have little to no respect for him because of it.
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In the ring around the shoelace act you can see that he holds the large silk cloth by the corner and lets it drop down nearly to the floor after he has 'disappeared' the ring. I think that's where the transfer takes place.

In the 'pick two cards' trick I think he has used fake shuffles to keep the deck in order and knows the two cards by counting their position in the spread out deck. Obviously he has pre-recorded the closing lyrics. That's too obvious, he would have been better off rapping out the reveal himself.
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Definitely not a dig at David Blaine. Penn has stated in the past that he is a big fan of Blaine's street magic specials from the 90s.
David Blaine does cheat on his specials. One example is his levitation trick. He does Balducci Levitation, which allows you to "levitate" only a few inches, for the people on the street but what we see on TV is him being lifted much higher by a harness. He does other tricks which are impossible without the sort of prestaging Penn describes, such as the one where he throws cards at a window and one appears on the other side of the window.
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Christopher Castellini: Paraplegic mentalist. I could have sworn someone did this trick on the show a couple of years back. So I'm a little confused at the instructions here: the volunteer was supposed to pick a word that had "at least" 6 letters, but it could have been anything between 1-10 letters? Seems pretty straightforward; a doctored book with "unexpected" on every first line. Could the volunteer have possibly picked a different word?
I've seen this trick done many times. What baffles me is that nobody ever says "There's only one word that long" and nobody ever notices that the same word is also on the first line of the facing page.

The part where he talked about words of other lengths was to suggest to the audience that the volunteer had a choice of words. He wanted you to think that the length he asked for was arbitrary, when it wasn't at all arbitrary.
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I've seen this trick done many times. What baffles me is that nobody ever says "There's only one word that long" and nobody ever notices that the same word is also on the first line of the facing page.
A lot of the time the audience member is in on the trick to some extent. There's a bit of an instant stooge effect, and most people won't want to ruin the act they are now a part of. The magician can also control what the audience member has an opportunity to say to a large extent. Often they'll give clear instructions, and ask simple questions with short answers. They will have already had you follow instructions a few times before the key moment, so they know if you're a wiseass, and can change the act if needed.

The trick of course is that the question changes based on which number is selected. For example "choose any word with at least 6 (or 7-10) letters," or "choose any word with 4 syllables" or "choose the 3rd word" etc.

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I wanted to wait for a few episodes to pass, but it turns out I've seen all of the P&T final acts before. We were in Las Vegas in March and saw their show the week after they filmed the current season. Every trick they've done this season was done live in their stage show.

Has anyone else seen their current live show and can confirm this?

It's pretty cool to recognize the tricks, but also pretty embarrassing to admit that I am still surprised at the tricks (except the Street Magic, which was pretty weak to begin with).
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David Blaine does cheat on his specials. One example is his levitation trick. He does Balducci Levitation, which allows you to "levitate" only a few inches, for the people on the street but what we see on TV is him being lifted much higher by a harness. He does other tricks which are impossible without the sort of prestaging Penn describes, such as the one where he throws cards at a window and one appears on the other side of the window.
Did I ever say that Blaine never "cheated" in his early specials? No. I said that David's early specials are, most likely, not the subject of ridicule of Penn's funny little sketch.

By the way, every magician that has done any kind of special in the past forty years has "cheated" one way or another. At least, Blaine's specials got much better with time, see for example: Real or Magic.
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I wanted to wait for a few episodes to pass, but it turns out I've seen all of the P&T final acts before. We were in Las Vegas in March and saw their show the week after they filmed the current season. Every trick they've done this season was done live in their stage show.

Has anyone else seen their current live show and can confirm this?

It's pretty cool to recognize the tricks, but also pretty embarrassing to admit that I am still surprised at the tricks (except the Street Magic, which was pretty weak to begin with).
Just going through YouTube, before Fool Us came into existence, I once watched through all of their performances that were ever filmed (and put on YouTube). Based on the sheer quantity of repeats, it was clear that there was a specific set of stuff that they had or that they had designated for film (so that they still had material for their live shows).

From interviews I had read, it it sounded like they had a pretty large list of material that they rotated in and out of use in their live show - and are always working on new acts. Though, that said, they would spend years perfecting a routine before adding it into the rotation since they're perfectionists. From the description, it seemed to be the case that they had more tricks than I had seen by a few times. I saw maybe 8-10 via YouTube? Probably they had established a good 30-40 acts over the years.

But so, Fool Us is now in season 6. They've had to do a performance for 68 separate episodes. They have probably had to create more content in the last five years than they needed to in the previous 45+ years, simply due to the format of the show. I assume that they're under the gun just to keep up.

And, yeah, magic is not an art where you can mix it up and go freestyle, to put a different spin on the same performance. It's all so technical that you have to do all the same stuff right down to coughing at the right moment in order to do the tricks. Unless you have a bad memory, you're not going to get a new experience out of a repeat performance.

It is certainly unfortunate that they've had to reveal everything on TV and have nothing limited to live shows. However, it is the case that even non-perfectionists have to work pretty laboriously over many months to create even a single act. If you're having to crank out a dozen a year and the quality of your product is still pretty good, that's pretty amazing.

And of course, you should compare to other working magicians. Look up, on YouTube, the complete catalogue of Voronin, for example. It's a good act, but he's been doing the same one unchanged for a few decades now (and in his live performances).

The world of magic doesn't seem to work like comedy, where you trash all your content once a year and start building a new routine. People get their act down pat, in their 20s, and largely proceed to do that same act for the rest of their life.

I get the feeling like David Copperfield might have been one of the few people to keep advancing forward his whole career and trying to completely top himself at every step. (Of course, that sort of put him into early retirement.)

But if we put P&T on the scale from Voronin (1) to Copperfield (10), it does seem to be that they've always continued to expand their catalogue even if they didn't always push the boundaries of magic along the way. They're probably an 8 and that's pretty commendable.
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The book picked was The Great Gatsby. Assuming that "unexpected" was on every page, it wouldn't be the same book. I read the book a few months ago and if it was me on the stage I might be able to notice that it doesn't fit the style or storyline of the book. If I did, would I say that it's not the real book. I probably would go along with it rather than making a scene.
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Wedding ring: It's extremely clear that where he "Drops" her ring into the hanky is nowhere near where the "ring" he gives her to hold is. Pretty sloppy slight on that one, imo, especially in his day in age when anyone worth half their salt knows that move is coming. At that point, it's just about getting it from his palming to his shoe. Not much for me to say, as there doesn't seem to be anything to see. It just appears on his shoe in the first shot of his show after he has her "drop" the hanky. Which I am guessing is the misdirection to ensure no one is looking at his shoe. Pretty sure it's not there in the last wide shot before that. The mention of Ring Flight is a trick very much like this one. Dave Bonsall created one version that seems very well regarded, and to his credit. he actually essentially explains the trick on a promo video for the gimick he sells: http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/4183 - you can see that it's basically a clip on a reel - so I assume you extend the reel, up the back of your jacket, down your sleeve and perhaps it clips inside the cuff of your jacket until you are ready - than you clip the ring in your hand to it, release it, and it retracts to your back pocket on your keychain.

Penn obviously thinks he built a reel into his shoe and ran the line through his jacket and maybe also his pants in a re-engineered ring flight. They get busted on thinking it goes through his clothes. It COULD be as simply as him not running the line to his clothes. An invisible line straight from the shoe to his hand or the hanky could do it - but he did say they were "far away" from his method... he doesn't bend down, and the ring clearly appears on his show mid-trick - so he MUST have something that either "reels"/pulls the ring to his shoe, or otherwise transports it.

I just noticed something. Right before it first appears on his show, he prompts applauds - perhaps an audio cover? When he does this, he gathers the hanky with an odd hand-position of his right hand. Then he lays the hanky out suspiciously, then lets it dangle right over his shoe-top. This is almost certainly the moment of truth (that they air from a very wide angle that shows the move but also hides the appearance of the ring - I think they have a rule that they cut out an important move from the airing so the audience doesn't see the moment the trick occurs). He has some mechanism to transport the ring from his hand, behind the hanky, to his shoe. P&T certainly miss it because in a first viewing, they have no idea the ring will end up on his shoe, so they aren't looking for a move there. Misdirecting where the ring will end up means P&T are looking in the wrong place, expecting the wrong move - a clever strategy for this particular show. I don't think the ladder had ANYTHING to do with the mechanism other than allowing him to display his shoe in a more visual manner, and provide more misdirection.


Kevin Blake - I don't see anything fishy after he moves P&T's hands, so there must be a force. My first inclination is that when he assures there's no markings, then does "one more shuffle", I wondered if he was somehow doing a deck swap. Penn's card he gets Penn to pick with his finger moving from the left, and Teller picks with him moving from the right - I wonder if it was a deck of identical cards - left half Penn's card, right half Teller's. Then with his cardistry during the rap, maybe he swaps it back so they can examine it at the end. And when Penn mentions provers that he WASN'T doing a deck swap or a force - I assume he is inferring that he DID do those things. I just can't see any instance of where he had the opportunity to do a full deck swap. Those Hindu shuffles might be something that could conceal a partial substitution, but I don't see how the entire deck could go - he he did give them opportunities to change their cards - and Teller did snap pretty early in the finger moving. I assume it's somehow a force in this way, but it was very smooth.

Coincidence or not (hint: I think not), Penn's King of Spaces is the last card in the deck when he initially displays it. The 2H is also in the deck - towards the same end, and there is a separation after it (that he actually widens as he spreads the cards - maybe deliberately?) - perhaps so when he gather's the cards he can leave a break there and know the locations of those two cards. Rewatching, he gathers the deck with his right index finger crimped in an unnatural position. When he does his first "strip" shuffle, you can see the top card he pulls out of the deck is the 6C - I note was the card right behind the 2H in the deck - to me this confirms he is controlling the location of those two cards. Something is damn fishy to me with that EXTRA shuffle AFTER he lays the cards face down. Why another one? I also get mildly suspicious when he touches Penn's shoulder, but I don't see anything he could have been doing there. I don't see ANYTHING suspicious about his card handling when choosing Penn's card - he doesn't use care to return Penn's first choice to the same spot, but Penn asks for the next card, and he gives him what seems to be the next card with no obvious avenue to swap the card out - no obvious palming or dropping of cards and he doesn't manipulate Penn's hand to cover the card where he could have done a swap. If it was just a deck swap or partial deck swap, he'd have no reason to track the location of those two cards in the first place - however he did the force, I'm impressed.

Ryan & Amber - Penn is obviously suggesting that this was done in some magic way, although it seems like some of that stuff could actually just be done practically. I don't really have any insight on this one. "millimetres close to ..." seems to be a verbal clue.

Message in a bottle - I assume this is like one of any number of book tricks where the book is prepared with a bunch of different pages, but they all start with a line where unexpected" is the only long word on the page. The audience member goes along with "it would be a different word, right?" - it is coincidentally 10 letters so it will fit any number - he doesn't say a word that IS that number long, he he says "at least" that number long.

P&T trick - you can catch a glimpse of Teller adjusting himself in the corner of the shot just before he gets covered. He gets his arms out of the sleeves of the hoodie (you can see when they shroud him that his arms are actually inside the sweater body. I assume the sweater has some wire frame to maintain the human shape after teller jumps out - I assume there's also a trap door in the floor on the back wall of the set.

Re: P&T doing all their material, that became a risk of the show after a few seasons, but so what? I'm a big fan of theirs, having never seen them live (don't live near Vegas, and haven't been in decades). But I have seen most of their TV and online stuff over the years. Most casual fans won't have seen every episode of Fool Us, and will get something new from their live shows. Most hardcore fans who have seen all of Fool Us like me aren't going to be that bothered that they know P&T's routines already. It's about seeing it live in front of you. I liken it to a concert. I don't goto a concert to hear new songs I've never heard before. I go to hear the music performed live in a way that is unique to that show in that you can't really appreciate from a recording quite the same way. From a business perspective, This show just gives them added exposure and hopefully sells more live tickets and keeps them popular for longer, adding to their demand in Vegas. But it IS a TV show in season 6 - so I assume even if it did detract from their live shows, they are getting a decent paycheque from this such that it pays even if they do have to use much of their live show in it - banter in this seasons suggests they have been researching and working on new bits just to have stuff for the end performances. I'm sure they will come up with new stuff for their live shows too. One more think to consider, this probably has spurred them to innovate new tricks for both shows (TV/live) that they wouldn't otherwise have done - so they might still be performing even older stuff but for this show.
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Old 07-22-2019, 04:38 AM
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I've seen this trick done many times. What baffles me is that nobody ever says "There's only one word that long" and nobody ever notices that the same word is also on the first line of the facing page.
The magician has a lot of control and multiple outs.

Maybe on the even numbered pages, it's the first line of the page, but on the facing odd numbered pages, it's the 4th line of the page or something, so it's not obvious. There could be more complicated patterns (page numbers divisible by 3 vs. those divisible by 5 vs. those divisible by 7, etc.) but that's all semantics.

Similarly, if the woman had chosen "2" as her number, he wouldn't have said "choose a word with 2 or more letters". But maybe unexpected is the second number in each of those lines, so if the say "2", he says "What's the second word? And he has other outs for numbers from 1-5.

People think "how did he know she was going to pick 6?" when in reality, whatever number she picks, he isn't obligated to respond the same way because he doesn't tell the volunteer what to do with that number until he knows what the number is.
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