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Old 10-15-2018, 01:15 AM
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Virginia boys [Special Operations military unit]

Is it true that the virginia boys origination can be traced back to the implication of the wright brothers airplane for military use? Is it true that they break your leg while torturing you and you must complete the final stages of training with a broken leg evan tho it's an aviation unit tasked to support secret squirrel folks, and maintain the aircrafts? Is it true they use civilian aircraft and dress in normal cloths? I allso heard selection begins in basic training then threw your mos training and then your approached shortly after you report to your first duty station. the world may never know I suppose.
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160th

I allso heard 160th is like the navy seals just for the television. Theres nothing top secret about people who fly aircraft that you can identify a mile away, and have compounds in plain view.
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Old 10-15-2018, 06:00 AM
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Old 10-15-2018, 07:13 AM
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What the heck ... I don't even ...

Well, Goggle...google...google...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread224446/pg1

http://theweek.com/articles/466307/m...t-secret-units

Ok. Not just some people from the US state of Virginia. And ultra secret, special ops group.

Hrm. One of those forums posts doubt on the entire existence ... a US military unit, that is completely overseen by the CIA? Stretches plausibility, a little bit. Or a CIA group made of ex-SEAL, Green Beret, Delta Force? As in, "Whelp, been there, done that, need a REAL challenge now... off to the CIA."?

I suppose its possible...but stretches plausibility.
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Old 10-15-2018, 07:16 AM
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No, they aren't "real," they never have been, they are just a military brag/ inside joke/ urban legend and you need to stop asking about them if you know what is good for you.
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Old 10-15-2018, 08:44 AM
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Honestly, this sounds like a way for someone to claim they're in some super-secret special forces group but excuse why they're never seen in uniform or can explain their MOS code.
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Old 10-15-2018, 09:40 AM
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Right? Everybody knows the Sooper-Secret Commando Group is the Eastern Delaware Boys.
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Old 10-15-2018, 10:21 AM
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Or a CIA group made of ex-SEAL, Green Beret, Delta Force? As in, "Whelp, been there, done that, need a REAL challenge now... off to the CIA."?

I suppose its possible...but stretches plausibility.
This is absolutely a real thing. The CIA has it on their public website. See for yourself:

https://www.cia.gov/careers/opportun...pecialist.html
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Old 10-15-2018, 11:18 AM
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Nice clear website. Makes perfect sense, now that I think about it -- the CIA needs people with military skills, they advertise as such, and some people enlist.

So where's the secret webpage? Where you signup to have your legs broken to prove how badass you are?
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Old 10-15-2018, 11:25 AM
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I don't think anyone doubts that the CIA has clandestine agents and even former members of the US military who do things like extrication and assassinations. But what the OP described sounded like someone bullshitting in a bar somewhere.
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Old 10-15-2018, 11:29 AM
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This is absolutely a real thing. The CIA has it on their public website. See for yourself:

https://www.cia.gov/careers/opportun...pecialist.html
I remember one of the CIA directors during a news interview years before 9/11 saying that the CIA has a team of "direct action" personnel and that he would fight hard to keep them during the budget wars because they serve a critical purpose in some situations. Details of those situations were not discussed. So they have had these special ops people (the number I remember is 40) for decades.
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Lots of intelligence services have those kinds of units. The Mossad, for instance, has Kidon.
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Old 10-15-2018, 01:11 PM
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I don't think anyone doubts that the CIA has clandestine agents and even former members of the US military who do things like extrication and assassinations. But what the OP described sounded like someone bullshitting in a bar somewhere.
Yes. The Paramilitary units do exist but the 'Virginia Boys' thing is fiction. The leg-breaking thing is just plain stupid.
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Old 10-15-2018, 01:33 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specia...ities_Division
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In Relentless Strike, a book about the Joint Special Operations Command, the Intelligence Support Activity is referred to as the Army of Northern Virginia. Is that what you're thinking of?

Other than being somewhat secret, they don't seem to have much in common with the unit you describe though.
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Old 10-15-2018, 01:58 PM
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I hear that during training the recruit is given a puppy to take care of, and at graduation they are ordered to kill the puppy.
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Old 10-15-2018, 02:56 PM
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I allso heard 160th is like the navy seals just for the television. Theres nothing top secret about people who fly aircraft that you can identify a mile away, and have compounds in plain view.
You're talking about the 160th SOAR (Special Operations Aviation Regiment), also known as the Night Stalkers, based out of Ft. Campbell.

I know a man who was an Army helicopter pilot and was part of this regiment for a long time, flying OH-6 and AH-6 and Chinooks. (He also flew an AH-1 Cobra in Vietnam, but that was before the 160th SOAR existed; it was established in the 80s.) He retired as a Major and then went to work for Boeing, which manufactures the Chinook.

From him I learned a little bit about the history of the 160th. It is sort of an air taxi service for light infantry units of special forces, such as Army Delta Force and Navy SEALs. It coordinates with these teams for combat missions, and was involved in a number of infamous incidents such as Operation Red Wings (of "Lone Survivor" fame) and the Battle of Mogadishu, depicted in "Black Hawk Down." The pilot I know was not involved in either of those, although he is a friend of Michael Durant, the pilot who crashed in Mogadishu and was taken prisoner.

The existence of the 160th and its members is not a secret, and I'm not sure what connection it has to the thing you're talking about in your OP...I just thought I'd bring this up since it's not often that I get a chance actually use the small amount of knowledge that I have of it for something.
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Old 10-15-2018, 04:32 PM
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This is absolutely a real thing. The CIA has it on their public website. See for yourself:

https://www.cia.gov/careers/opportun...pecialist.html
That is interesting. From the qualifications required, the people described are not a special operations military unit -- they are the support team and the on-site in-country "CIA controller" guys you see in the movies running the contractors. The ones who try to kill our hero, then fly out back to DC, where they are based.
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Old 10-15-2018, 08:29 PM
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Is it true that the virginia boys origination can be traced back to the implication of the wright brothers airplane for military use? Is it true that they break your leg while torturing you and you must complete the final stages of training with a broken leg evan tho it's an aviation unit tasked to support secret squirrel folks, and maintain the aircrafts? Is it true they use civilian aircraft and dress in normal cloths? I allso heard selection begins in basic training then threw your mos training and then your approached shortly after you report to your first duty station. the world may never know I suppose.
this reads like something a computer program would generate. Is this a school project?
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Old 10-15-2018, 09:10 PM
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You're talking about the 160th SOAR (Special Operations Aviation Regiment), also known as the Night Stalkers, based out of Ft. Campbell.

I know a man who was an Army helicopter pilot and was part of this regiment for a long time, flying OH-6 and AH-6 and Chinooks. (He also flew an AH-1 Cobra in Vietnam, but that was before the 160th SOAR existed; it was established in the 80s.) He retired as a Major and then went to work for Boeing, which manufactures the Chinook.

From him I learned a little bit about the history of the 160th. It is sort of an air taxi service for light infantry units of special forces, such as Army Delta Force and Navy SEALs. It coordinates with these teams for combat missions, and was involved in a number of infamous incidents such as Operation Red Wings (of "Lone Survivor" fame) and the Battle of Mogadishu, depicted in "Black Hawk Down." The pilot I know was not involved in either of those, although he is a friend of Michael Durant, the pilot who crashed in Mogadishu and was taken prisoner.

The existence of the 160th and its members is not a secret, and I'm not sure what connection it has to the thing you're talking about in your OP...I just thought I'd bring this up since it's not often that I get a chance actually use the small amount of knowledge that I have of it for something.
My boss on one of my active duty stints was a Blackhawk pilot in Mogadishu with the 160th. He wouldn’t talk about it much even when we got him drunk.
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Old 10-18-2018, 12:08 AM
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The OP is kind of rambling.

The 160th SOAR fly missions for special forces units and are supposedly the best pilots out there. They aren't a secret unit.

I've heard of the Virginia boys, I first heard of them about 15 years ago. I'm not sure if they are real, or if they exist what they do. If they do exist my impression is they possibly either the special activities division in the CIA, or they are the Intelligence Support Activity in the US army. The guy who told me about them implied they were an intelligence gathering unit that went deep undercover and had a lot of interesting equipment. If so, that sounds more like the ISA than SAD.

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I allso heard 160th is like the navy seals just for the television. Theres nothing top secret about people who fly aircraft that you can identify a mile away, and have compounds in plain view.
I guess it's a shame for Osama Bin Laden that he turned off his TV around zero dark fifteen.
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The Virginia Boys get mentioned several times in The Rivers of London book series. But in that series, they're wizards.
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The 'we've been watching you for awhile and now we know you're special/different' sounds like YA fantasy stuff.
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The 'we've been watching you for awhile and now we know you're special/different' sounds like YA fantasy stuff.
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