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Old 10-05-2017, 06:31 PM
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Harvey Weinstein accused of multiple cases of sexual harassment


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An explosive New York Times story Thursday aired allegations of sexual harassment against the famed movie mogul Harvey Weinstein, who told the publication he would take a leave of absence from his studio, the Weinstein Company.

The Times story is remarkable not just because it uncovered that Weinstein reached at least eight settlements with women over the years, but also because a very high-profile figure — Ashley Judd — went on record. Her story dates back to the 1990s, when, she said, Weinstein lured her to his hotel room for a “meeting,” then tried to coerce her into giving him a massage or watching him shower.

“Women have been talking about Harvey amongst ourselves for a long time, and it’s simply beyond time to have the conversation publicly,” Judd told the Times.
What a creep. But no surprises, this is what Hollywood producers have done since the dawn of the movies. High time it stopped.

Had to add that I love the movies he's backed but he doesn't get a pass because of that.

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This is going to be huge in the movie biz. And yeah, total creep.
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Wow. I've been a fan for a long time, but this completely kills that. What a shit he is.
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So are we looking at a Weinstein candidacy for 2020?
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Lends a whole new meaning to Sex, Lies and Videotape.
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This is a total surprise ... to no one.*

You don't have to be an insider within the entertainment industry to know that these rumors about the Weinstein have been floating around for years. This story merely confirms them. The only questions that remain are how many women are going to come forward and how many other people's careers are going to be dragged down with Weinstein's.

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So are we looking at a Weinstein candidacy for 2020?
Borowitz says he is unfit for any other job, so yes.
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It's been happening for thousands of years, in all walks of life. Good luck in trying to stop it.
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It's been happening for thousands of years, in all walks of life. Good luck in trying to stop it.
So you’re saying we should just lie back and try to enjoy it?

You seem to think that your experience of human behavior represents some unchanging eternity. Do you not think that has man behavior ever changes?
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Old 10-06-2017, 12:05 AM
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It's been happening for thousands of years, in all walks of life. Good luck in trying to stop it.
Given that it has been removed from most walks of life, I think it's fair to expect that it can be removed from the remaining ones.
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Given that it has been removed from most walks of life, I think it's fair to expect that it can be removed from the remaining ones.
It has only been removed from the walks of life where aren't powerful men who think less powerful women will be happy to give in. See the Venture Capital Community. See American Apparel. See Uber. See Mark Hurd who got fired from HP for lying on expense reports as he hit in a PR woman (unsuccessfully) and then immediately got hired by Larry Ellison.

We've got a long way to go.
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I guess this is an indictment of either his character or mine, but my first reaction when I read the allegations was, "Yeah, that seems about right"
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It has only been removed from the walks of life where aren't powerful men who think less powerful women will be happy to give in. See the Venture Capital Community. See American Apparel. See Uber. See Mark Hurd who got fired from HP for lying on expense reports as he hit in a PR woman (unsuccessfully) and then immediately got hired by Larry Ellison.

We've got a long way to go.
We've got a long way to go is very different from nothing will ever change, because huge changes have happened in relatively short periods of time.
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It's been happening for thousands of years, in all walks of life. Good luck in trying to stop it.
Agreed. And murder, theft, fraud and assault have also existed from the start of time. And will probably continue till the end.

Does not mean that the perpetrators should not be punished.
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Does not mean that the perpetrators should not be punished.
Punished? It's not like anything's going to *happen* to him. Polanski still makes movies, after all.
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Yeah, I think it's just the old-school guard who are perpetuating the casting couch these days, and even then most complaints will likely be from instances decades old. It is dying out, and if we can rid ourselves of this unseasonal resurgence of hate and prejudice the world seems to be suffering, it could disappear entirely.
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I don't think it will ever disappear entirely. Human nature is what it is and while we can educate, restrain and punish there will always be men (and some women too) who will use power to coerce others to service them sexually if they think they can get away with it. And of course the very nature of power means that they often will. The best we can hope for is to reduce these gross abuses to an absolute minimum and I think we are making progress. It would have been unthinkable 70 or 80 years ago for serial abusers like movie moguls Louis B Mayer or Harry Cohn to have been called out on their molestation and rape of young actresses. They were untouchable, had the LA police in their hip pockets and could very probably have gotten away with murder. Hollywood is a different place now and while it's still a cesspit in parts it's way better than it was.

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Yeah, I think it's just the old-school guard who are perpetuating the casting couch these days, and even then most complaints will likely be from instances decades old. It is dying out
It would be great if this were true, but what are you basing this on? Apparently one of the reasons people are willing to publically accuse Weinstein now is because he doesn't have the same power to destroy careers as he once did. (My source for this is NPR's coverage of the issue.) Who's to say there isn't a younger version of Weinstein whose abuses won't come out for another decade or two?
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It would be great if this were true, but what are you basing this on?
Since writing that post I am no longer so certain. But it just seems like the Lefty Hollywood crowd are generally more socially aware and supportive than in the olden days, so it's more of a rarity.

I am quite possibly wrong.
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Weinstein in general has always been a rather volatile person prone to violence, intimidation, and has an ego that's large even for Hollywood. I would have been surprised if there wasn't a sexual element to it.
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Maybe he can get a job at Fox News.
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Maybe he can get a job at Fox News.
Not as long as he's playing his "liberal lion" persona for all it's worth to get off the hook for his bad behavior.

His statement references his intent to go after the N.R.A., which is apparently supposed to put him on the fast track to forgiveness.
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No way. Fox News abusers never own up to their abuse.
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Yeah, because liberals would never engage in doing behavior. Harvey must be a we get Republican.

Next week: Whoopi Goldberg will explain that what Harvey did wasn't really HARASSMENT harassment.
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As long as the casting couch isn't eliminated from porn, then I'm all for removing it from the mainstream.
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As long as the casting couch isn't eliminated from porn, then I'm all for removing it from the mainstream.
I've read interviews with porn actors who say that they never faced a casting couch in the professional porn industry, but did when they tried to crossover to mainstream work.
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Yeah, because liberals would never engage in doing behavior. Harvey must be a we get Republican.
Doing behavior?

We get Republican?

I don't understand how kids talk these days.
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Yeah, because liberals would never engage in doing behavior. Harvey must be a we get Republican.

Next week: Whoopi Goldberg will explain that what Harvey did wasn't really HARASSMENT harassment.
I believe that Fox News was mentioned not because it's pro-Republican in its public views, but because in its internal work culture it's pro-misogyny and pro-sexual-harrassment.

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Weinstein in general has always been a rather volatile person prone to violence, intimidation, and has an ego that's large even for Hollywood. I would have been surprised if there wasn't a sexual element to it.
My feeling as well. His mental issues have been infamous for years. It is only surprising that this part hasn't been openly reported years ago.
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Hopefully this will open up others to feel comfortable with coming forward. I have little doubt that this is very common in Hollywood and entertainment in general.
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Hopefully this will open up others to feel comfortable with coming forward. I have little doubt that this is very common in Hollywood and entertainment in general.
Maybe Corey Feldman will finally name names. He's told his story but said he couldn't name names for fear of being blackballed or sued. And he's not alone. As bad as sexual harassment of women in Hollywood is, abuse of children is a far greater crime and I'm sure there are some people in Hollywood working there today who have totally gotten away with it.
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I'm shocked. SHOCKED. That "casting couch" wasn't a completely fictional phrase invented for a completely fictional concept.

Still, it's good that he's outed. More of that, kthxbye. Maybe the industry can make that kind of thing no longer a tolerated secret.
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It makes me wonder what he did to lose his protection after all this time. Did he try to stop paying on one of the secret settlements?
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It makes me wonder what he did to lose his protection after all this time. Did he try to stop paying on one of the secret settlements?
Critical mass of victims, plus a generally unlikeable guy.

BTW, Amber Tamblyn has claimed that James Wood propositioned her when she was 16 years old. He says she's a liar. She wrote an op-ed of her own about her experience:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/16/o...mes-woods.html

Hopefully the culture of permissiveness+silence is ending in that industry.

I'd be willing to bet good money that if the whole truth came out that it would make the Catholic Church scandal look like small potatoes.

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I'd be willing to bet good money that if the whole truth came out that it would make the Catholic Church scandal look like small potatoes.
I don't see it as the same. No one expected kids to be molested by priests and that if something like that did happen that the church itself would cover it up and play a shell game. A huge betrayal of trust on top of the crimes themselves.

To act surprised that young hopefuls in Hollywood were being sexually used/abused by the system is naive. Figure a good percentage of stage mothers knew what the risks were and put their kids at risk in pursuit of stardom and/or the huge payday.
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I don't see it as the same. No one expected kids to be molested by priests and that if something like that did happen that the church itself would cover it up and play a shell game. A huge betrayal of trust on top of the crimes themselves.

To act surprised that young hopefuls in Hollywood were being sexually used/abused by the system is naive. Figure a good percentage of stage mothers knew what the risks were and put their kids at risk in pursuit of stardom and/or the huge payday.
It's probably worse in terms of who casual the society is towards child abuse. It's true that there's no trust there though, and there shouldn't be. Woody Allen and Roman Polanski are still respected figures in that town. If you let your kid work there you know what you are subjecting them to. You can count on your fingers the number of child actors who don't end up heavy drug users.
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How hilarious is it that there's a sexy model ad for Frederick's of Hollywood just below the first post?

As for choosing between massage and watching him shower, I would choose the shower. During an opportune time, I would twist the tap all the way over for either blazing hot or freezing cold water. It's hard to tell which with hotel taps.

Oh, for the days when turning the sink faucet on would turn a shower spray volcanic. You could make it look like an accident.
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But no surprises, this is what Hollywood producers have done since the dawn of the movies. High time it stopped.
The casting couch, modern day version.
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....aired allegations of sexual harassment ...
Note that word " allegations" .

No proof. Allegations.
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I've always thought of the casting couch as being more of a blatant quid pro quo proposition resulting in actual, you know, intercourse. For a guy as powerful and career making as Weinstein to be asking women to watch him shower or stripping down and asking for massages seems a little...lame. He seems to be more of an exhibitionist than anything else.


I suppose it could be seen as a function of asserting power - "I can put you in an awkward, compromising position, and what are you gonna do about it?" And also a way for the person to convince himself what he's doing is not THAT bad.

I suppose there are still folks around who do the full-service casting couch schtick and get away with it. Y'know, traditionalists...
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Like in the back of a VW?
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Oh, you mean like Bill Clinton?
Clinton wasn't a sexual predator, and that was never the issue. Trump was, and that was the central issue. Clinton didn't get elected despite such allegations, because there weren't any. Trump got elected despite video proof of them. If you're trying to make some point about how the two sides judge their politicians, I can't help you if you can't see this blatant difference.

My point in any case is that Harvey Weinstein is far less important to the national psyche than the current occupant of the most important leadership position in the nation. And his actions are being condemned, as they should be.

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...and he's been fired.

...and there's a kerfuffle about how comedy news shows, including SNL, have not included this on their joke agenda. Fodder for conservative media to point out the show's' biases.
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...and he's been fired.

...and there's a kerfuffle about how comedy news shows, including SNL, have not included this on their joke agenda. Fodder for conservative media to point out the show's' biases.
Might have been a little late (and/or insufficiently corroborated as at writing time - even SNL lawyers have standards) for SNL this past Saturday. I'm wondering if John Oliver will mention it though.
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