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Old 03-04-2020, 12:45 PM
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Does Biden have early on set dementia?


He's done a couple of flubs with his lines, but some people have said he has obviously early on set dementia, with his light schedule and restricted meet and greets, if this is the case, how is this a good thing when he is going against Trump?
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Old 03-04-2020, 12:52 PM
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No it's not. He is not sharp.

The media is "fascism curious" and will string this along like its the greatest thing ever that the people have spoken against revolution and for decency.

But he will make a gaffe and then whoops: What happened to the decency?

They get to cover the end of democracy, which makes them very important.
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You can't really call it "early onset" for a 77-year old, but I do believe he has dementia. My mom does too, has been showing signs for years, and frankly she's more consistently coherent than he is.

And no, there is no upside to that when going against Trump.
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No, he doesn't. He's just often an awkward public speaker.
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No, he doesn't. He's just often an awkward public speaker.
Don't think so. I mean yes, he is a bad speaker, but there's been a marked decline.
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No, he doesn't. He's just often an awkward public speaker.
No, you dont stay a leader in politics by being nothing less than an excellent speaker.
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Have you people never listen to Biden before? He might be a little worse than the past, but he has always been a gaff machine.
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I doubt very much that Biden has a serious issue with his mental acuity. I think that he has enough people around him who would be frank with him about that and more importantly, I think he would listen to them.
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I doubt very much that Biden has a serious issue with his mental acuity. I think that he has enough people around him who would be frank with him about that and more importantly, I think he would listen to them.
Ah well er um...Just how would that convo be sounding? This is 3 or 4 levels deep in delusion.
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Ah well er um...Just how would that convo be sounding? This is 3 or 4 levels deep in delusion.
You think Jill Biden or the Obamas would let Joe embarrass himself on the national stage in this way?

What's delusional is to think that they would.
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You think Jill Biden or the Obamas would let Joe embarrass himself on the national stage in this way?

What's delusional is to think that they would.
They let him embarrass himself almost every time he goes on the podium. And Obama said, "You don't have to do this, Joe, you really don't", and still has not endorsed him.
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They let him embarrass himself almost every time he goes on the podium. And Obama said, "You don't have to do this, Joe, you really don't", and still has not endorsed him.
I've stuck a fork into Joe multiple times throughout this elections cycle. He was not my first choice and I am more behind Bernie's progressive platform than I am for Joe's much more moderate approach.

But here we are with Joe back from the dead and Bernie struggling to survive.

And not putting his thumb on the scale prior to the nomination is the only responsible thing Obama could or would do. So what you claim about a lack of endorsement is not meaningful in any way at this stage.
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Probably not.

But GOPers weaponizing this attack is bullshit given Trump is much worse. Trump can't complete a sentence or even read off the teleprompter without slurring his words. He's in his element at rallies when his base allow him to wonder from one thing to another. Go watch that video of him ranting about toilets and how people flush 10 or 15 times before immediately moving onto dishwashers and back to corrupt democrats.

Oh and George W Bush.

"Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice...can't get fooled again"

Of course Biden is a bit of a fool. But his presidency will feature competent democrats and Obama era officials. A semblance of calm.

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One, as Rob Reiner or the guy interviewing him said about I don't know what because I'm ADD and can't be expected to pay attention to every damn thing on MSNBC, "There's such a fine line between stupid and clever." Or senile and bumbly.

Two, based on one commercial break this morning, Obama has endorsed both Sanders and Biden.

Three, is there a happy middle between polished (artificial) and folksy (bumbly)?
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You think Jill Biden or the Obamas would let Joe embarrass himself on the national stage in this way?

What's delusional is to think that they would.

“You don’t have to do this, Joe, you really don’t.” - Barack Obama


I mean, I guess President Obama would be blunt if he had to, but that's a gentle, early, "Don't do this." to me. Also, he's been really slow about endorsing his friend and running mate of 8 years. Could be one or more of many other reasons why, of course.

I used to be in favor of a one-and-done Biden presidency, but not after seeing his gaffes, which are starting to remind me of my dementia-addled mother.
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You think Jill Biden or the Obamas would let Joe embarrass himself on the national stage in this way?
The only way anyone could prevent Joe from running for president would be to have committed. No one is "letting" him embarrass himself, but he does it just the same.
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You think Jill Biden or the Obamas would let Joe embarrass himself on the national stage in this way?

What's delusional is to think that they would.
Then why hasn't Obama endorsed Biden? Obama wants nothing to do with that shit show.
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Then why hasn't Obama endorsed Biden? Obama wants nothing to do with that shit show.
Alternatively, Obama has but one endorsement to give for his country and if he gives it now, 1) He might give it to someone who ends up not getting the nomination, and B) giving it to someone during the primaries would be seen as attempting to significantly influence the outcome. Just bad form all around. It is unfortunate that some people like to malinterpret that sort of restraint to suit their own agenda.

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No idea. But if he did, all he would have to say in his defense is that he doesn't need to be dementia free, he just needs to have a lower level of dementia than Donald Trump.
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No idea. But if he did, all he would have to say in his defense is that he doesn't need to be dementia free, he just needs to have a lower level of dementia than Donald Trump.
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Could be, but I doubt it. Frankly, the Biden / dementia rumors are suddenly popping up all over the Internet in precisely the same places and ways as the "Hillary is dying!" rumors were in late summer of 2016 -- the patterns are IDENTICAL. And 3+ years later, Hillary shows no signs of having died.
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Could be, but I doubt it. Frankly, the Biden / dementia rumors are suddenly popping up all over the Internet in precisely the same places and ways as the "Hillary is dying!" rumors were in late summer of 2016 -- the patterns are IDENTICAL. And 3+ years later, Hillary shows no signs of having died.
The idea is not to have Joe alive come 3 years from now. It's to beat turmp. How does your comparison work there?
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The idea is not to have Joe alive come 3 years from now. It's to beat turmp. How does your comparison work there?
Oh, it could be an effective way to smear him and may indeed make it harder for him to beat Trump, but that wasn't the question. The question was whether he actually has dementia, to which I think the correct answer is "probably not, but somebody out there is really really pushing the narrative that he does."
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The idea is not to have Joe alive come 3 years from now. It's to beat turmp. How does your comparison work there?
What would be interesting would be if the plan is to get Joe elected, have him serve maybe a year, and then resign for health reasons, putting the hand-picked VP into office without having to actually get them elected.

Super conspiratorial and a bit absurd, I know. But still interesting to consider.
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Depending on the VP, if course, but I'd probably be ok with that.
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There may be some decline in there, but between his speech impediment, his historical record of embellishment, and some of his odd ideas, it's hard for me to come to the conclusion that he has a health issue.

But of course, I'd vote for post-stroke Woodrow Wilson before I'd vote for Trump.
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There may be some decline in there, but between his speech impediment, his historical record of embellishment, and some of his odd ideas, it's hard for me to come to the conclusion that he has a health issue.

But of course, I'd vote for post-stroke Woodrow Wilson before I'd vote for Trump.


Woodrow Wilson is probably one of the few presidents since the turn of the 20th century who is / was a worse person than Trump. If it came down to a choice between those two, I'd probably go with Trump.

As for whether Biden has dementia, my guess is probably not, but I wouldn't bet my house on it.

ETA: Even if he does have dementia, and even if medical records documenting that diagnosis are released, I'd still vote for him against Trump.

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If he does, hopefully someone in his inner circle will leak this, and the party can choose a different candidate.
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Even if Biden does have dementia, we can have a shadow government run by his wife, as happened with Wilson. I am surprisingly OK with that considering that Jill Biden is smart, educated, and a total badass.
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Even if Biden does have dementia, we can have a shadow government run by his wife, as happened with Wilson. I am surprisingly OK with that considering that Jill Biden is smart, educated, and a total badass.
Biden married up.
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Jill Biden did very good there but should never have happened. How can your security be so lax? His sister looked frightened.
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I think Biden is losing his hearing, which is pretty common in people over 70. Aged hearing makes it difficult to pick out a single voice in a crowd, which could explain his sometimes getting lost in those debate free for alls.

As for his speaking gaffes, he's always been a not-great orator. We can't all be Obama.

If you want to see if Joe is sharp, watch him in a one on one interview. See how he deals with one speaker and one question.
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Biden has a history of verbal gaffes; it’s part of his charm that he’s a plain spoken, regular blue collar guy, not your usual polished politician.

The Onion (the satirical magazine) has long played on this with a theme that he’s a rebellious lowbrow scofflaw (I.e. he wears cutoff jeans, drives a Trans Am, likes to “cruise for chicks” and party).

It’s not that Joe has dementia. It’s that he’s “Uncle Joe”, that folksy and funny guy who puts a smile on your face. Reganesque, perhaps.

(And I agree that any concerns will be best mollified if he has a strong and vibrant VP. I predict he selects a woman, and expect her to be high energy).

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Biden has a history of verbal gaffes; it’s part of his charm that he’s a plain spoken, regular blue collar guy, not your usual polished politician.
While I like Biden and find his un-politicianlike candor refreshing, let's not paint him as something he's not- he's got a BA and a JD from reputable universities, and has spent his entire career as a lawyer (1969-1973), a Senator (1973-2016), or a professor (2017-2020- a sinecure, I don't doubt).

Anyway, he may be atypically plain spoken for a politician, but blue collar he is not, and never has been.
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He stutters - that's not dementia


He has stuttered his whole life. Like other stutterers, when he's nervous or under pressure, as in a debate, he tends to stutter more. Like most people, he doesn't like showing any weakness, so he tries to avoid it, and that leads to his stopping mid-sentence and starting up again with the next thought.

It is not smooth, and it is annoying, but it does not affect his ability to think or work. I kind of like him better for it. We don't need another slick politician that has no understanding of the problems of real people.
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Joe has never been eloquent. He has also never run for president before and managed the associated pressure and distraction.
Well, aside from the other two times he ran for president.
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Right. Naturally he ran those two times.
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He has stuttered his whole life. Like other stutterers, when he's nervous or under pressure, as in a debate, he tends to stutter more. Like most people, he doesn't like showing any weakness, so he tries to avoid it, and that leads to his stopping mid-sentence and starting up again with the next thought.

It is not smooth, and it is annoying, but it does not affect his ability to think or work. I kind of like him better for it. We don't need another slick politician that has no understanding of the problems of real people.
Look, I DON'T think Biden truly has dementia. But the stuttering isn't an excuse for most of the weird shit he's said. How did his stutter cause him to say "I got hairy legs and the little kids like to reach into the pool and rub my legs down"? How did his stutter cause him to say "look, fat, want to do some pushups?" to that dude who questioned him at the Town Hall? How did his stutter cause him to call that woman a "lyin' dog-faced pony soldier"? Those are just three of his outrageous gaffes off the top of my head, I'm sure if I did some searching I could find many more. I don't see how a stutter has any connection to the concept of making very ill-advised remarks.
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While I like Biden and find his un-politicianlike candor refreshing, let's not paint him as something he's not- he's got a BA and a JD from reputable universities, and has spent his entire career as a lawyer (1969-1973), a Senator (1973-2016), or a professor (2017-2020- a sinecure, I don't doubt).

Anyway, he may be atypically plain spoken for a politician, but blue collar he is not, and never has been.
Fair enough. I shouldn’t have used blue collar.

But he attended public universities and, per Wikipedia, he grew up the middle class son of a car salesman. Biden didn’t grow up rich.

He also pretty famously never got rich from his career as a senator. While he has likely made a good of money since he retired from the Vice Presidency (what with speaking fees and book deals being available), he remained middle class during his time in congress.

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...ong-poorest-g/
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Fair enough. I shouldn’t have used blue collar.

But he attended public universities and, per Wikipedia, he grew up the middle class son of a car salesman. Biden didn’t grow up rich.

He also pretty famously never got rich from his career as a senator. While he has likely made a good of money since he retired from the Vice Presidency (what with speaking fees and book deals being available), he remained middle class during his time in congress.

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That's what I'm trying to say. Saying someone's blue collar implies that they do some sort of working class job, and usually also implies some sort of trade or factory work- carpenter, pipefitter, truck driver, factory worker, etc...

Joe's definitely a white collar sort, even if he's not overly wealthy.
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Gaffey Joe doesn't impress me in the least. But whatever he's "got" it can't possibly be any worse than what the current occupant of the W.H. has and that didn't keep that moron from being elected 4 years ago. I'm not at all optimistic about Gaffey Joe winning in November (now that Tulsi Gabbard has dropped out - whew!) but maybe the Mango Idiot will simply drop dead before then and leave us with real life Race Bannon as Prez.
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And the Russian attack memes begin...
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Biden has probably lost a step or two, but his ideas are still better and more realistic than Bernie's and Trump is mentally unstable, so I'll still take Biden.
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I do believe that he's beginning to show signs of dementia. I've been watching him for years, and the deterioration is visible.

He's still competent. I mean, he doesn't need a guardian or anything.

But I know all too well (being the primarly caretaker for my father, who definitely has dementia) that once the process starts, there can be precipitous drops in cognitive capability. On the other hand, things can plateau for a long time.

But I don't think Biden is in shape to be president.
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It seems like the Biden's "dementia" suddenly blossomed after St. Bernard got his ass kicked in South Carolina.
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Oh it's been around for a while but yeah, it really has kicked since SC. It appears Putin may not be the only one with Facebook/Twitter troll farms at work.
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Next crazy ass question please.

I hear lots of people are saying he's running a child porn ring out of a pizza parlor. Is it true or is prostitution with Ukrainian children?
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I don't think he has dementia, but Biden just seems so lackluster to me like his heart isn't really in the race and he is just going through the motions. He seems so diminished for example from when he had the last vice presidential debate.
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I'm not worried if Biden occasional loses track when having to speak, or flubs a line. Most people do.

Who among us have NOT asked "What is the word I'm looking for? Or what was that guys name?" How many of us have not forgotten an acronym, or important date?

Biden is a decent man. That's kinda important.

Trump is a criminal, treasonous, racist moron that only cares about himself. He can barely string two sentences together. That's kinda important too.

Someone here on the SDMB said it very well - I paraphrase - "Trumps thought process is a dying camel looking for an idea in the desert of his mind". Sums it up quite well.
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