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Old 03-15-2020, 05:45 PM
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Which actor has the greatest 'bad guy' ratio?


I'm watching The Mandalorian and thinking that I've never seen Giancarlo Esposito every play a real good guy. I looked him up in IMDB and he's been in a whole lot more movies than I care to watch (I mean HOLY SHIT!, he's been in a lot of things) but I cannot think of one thing I've seen him in where he didn't turn out to be a bit of an asshole. What has he been in that you've seen where he played a straight up good guy?

What other actors and actresses can you think of that you've never seen play a good guy? The only actress I can think of who I've never seen play a good guy is Anne Ramsey because in Hollywood, ugly is as ugly does.
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Christopher Walken ...... even when he tries he just can't pull it off ....
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Actually, Giancarlo Esposito was the protagonist in the first role I ever saw him in. The short-lived but quite funny "Bakersfield P.D" that aired on Fox in the early '90s.
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Actually, Giancarlo Esposito was the protagonist in the first role I ever saw him in. The short-lived but quite funny "Bakersfield P.D" that aired on Fox in the early '90s.
He was also a good guy on the final season of "Homicide: Life on the Streets."
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He was also a good guy on the final season of "Homicide: Life on the Streets."
Perfectly normal good guy( but not a large role as I recall )in Blue in the Face.
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Danny Trejo is my nomination.

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Billy Drago has played a villain in everything I've seen him in. He wasn't really ugly, but there was something unnerving about his eyes.
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Billy Drago has played a villain in everything I've seen him in.
He's an anti-hero in that Tremors prequel.
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Has Mickey Rourke ever not played a scumbag?
His characters in Sin City and The Wrestler aren't scumbags at all. Those are the roles that I identify him with most closely, because I'm 33 and most of his earlier roles were before my time.
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His characters in Sin City and The Wrestler aren't scumbags at all. Those are the roles that I identify him with most closely, because I'm 33 and most of his earlier roles were before my time.
Yeah, they were scumbags for sure in both of those, especially in sin city. But they weren't the BAD guys. Hell, EVERYone in Sin City was a scumbag of sorts.
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His characters in Sin City and The Wrestler aren't scumbags at all. Those are the roles that I identify him with most closely, because I'm 33 and most of his earlier roles were before my time.
I never saw Sin City so I have no comment there.

In The Wrestler, yeah, he's pretty much a detestable person with a constant stream of selfish and destructive choices behind him. I'm not saying I don't feel for the guy but he's not a mensch by any means.
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In The Wrestler, yeah, he's pretty much a detestable person with a constant stream of selfish and destructive choices behind him. I'm not saying I don't feel for the guy but he's not a mensch by any means.
He's not a "scumbag" though, he's a flawed character who has made mistakes and had ups and downs in life but generally tries to do the right thing.

Micky Rourke would not have earned so much praise for that role if his character was totally unsymapthetic.

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He's not a "scumbag" though, he's a flawed character who has made mistakes and had ups and downs in life but generally tries to do the right thing.
"Scumbag" is such an infinitely debatable that it's probably not worth discussing it here. Suffice it to say that I see that character as the kind of person who consistently make poor choices and uses them to drag down everyone around him. He's not the kind of person with whom I would choose to associate. If that's my flaw, so be it. I'll own it.

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Micky Rourke would not have earned so much praise for that role if his character was totally unsymapthetic.
I would see this as high praise for Rourke's talent. The fact that he can take such an unsympathetic character and let us still feel something for him speaks volumes about the performer. Let's be honest here as well, a character with "a constant stream of selfish and destructive choices behind him" cuts pretty close to the bone for Rourke. He understands that character in way that most of us couldn't.
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Speaking of which, it was the first film I ever saw Giancarlo Esposito in, and like I said, he wasn't what you could call a bad guy. Just passionate about his principles (and shoes) to the point of anger. Nobody in the film was an actual bad guy (except the choke-hold cop). The rioting was an indictment of society in general + hot weather.
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[Mickey Rourke's] characters in Sin City and The Wrestler aren't scumbags at all. Those are the roles that I identify him with most closely, because I'm 33 and most of his earlier roles were before my time.
He's also at least the putative antihero of Angel Heart.
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Old 03-15-2020, 07:18 PM
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Well, Danny doesn't make the ratio!

The thing about Giancarlo is that he's. . . pretty. Not scarred or exceptionally pumped or dumb. He's always a really smart bad guy.
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Did David Warner ever play a good guy?
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Terrible episode - good character

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He was Chancellor Gorkon — the Klingon leader who, on ‘being commendable’, was meant to be somewhere between, like, Gorbachev and Lincoln.

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Kevin Tighe. He was a good guy on that "Emergency" TV show back in the 70s, but I don't think I've ever seen him in anything since where he wasn't just a complete sonofabitch.
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Kevin Tighe. He was a good guy on that "Emergency" TV show back in the 70s, but I don't think I've ever seen him in anything since where he wasn't just a complete sonofabitch.
He was the club owner that hired Dalton (Patrick Swayze) in Road House. I thought he was a decent enough guy backed into a nasty situation.
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Giancarlo Esposito was definitely a good guy in The Usual Suspects and Derailed. The former is not exactly a low-profile movie.
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Giancarlo Esposito was definitely a good guy in The Usual Suspects and Derailed. The former is not exactly a low-profile movie.
And look at his character in The Player: definitely the antagonist, but the protagonist was a murdering Hollywood scumbag, so... He is a wonderful villain, though!

For evil women: Rose McGowan, Sharon Stone and Shannen Doherty played a lot of gals you would not take home to Mama. I guess Sharon Stone was kind of heroic in Sliver, Diabolique and that western she made, but those were outliers. She has awesome "crazy eyes"!
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How about Wilford Brimley? When the characters he portrays aren't dangerous or sinister, they're stern and surly. I haven't seen him in many films, though, so I don't know about his career average.
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How about Wilford Brimley? When the characters he portrays aren't dangerous or sinister, they're stern and surly. I haven't seen him in many films, though, so I don't know about his career average.
I've seen Cocoon and cannot think of him as a bad guy. He also wants me to eat my oatmeal so I don't get diabeetus, so he can't be all bad.
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I don’t get to see a large number of things, but Frank Langella springs to mind.
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Malcolm McDowell has to be up there.
In Time After Time he plays HG Wells, battling the aforementioned David Warner who is playing Jack the Ripper.
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The January Man - he plays a goofy artist as a supporting character. Not your typical role for Rickman. (Not a great film, BTW, but a tolerable one.)
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The not-very-approachable but honorable Colonel Brandon in Sense and Sensibility (1995).
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I can think of two good-guy roles for Wilford Brimley off the top of my head. He was the assistant nuclear engineer in The China Syndrome who heroically speaks up at the end of the movie, defending the Jack Lemmon character against the corporate slander that was trying make him out to be a nut. That was actually the first movie I ever saw him in.

He also was the kick-ass-and-take-no-prisoners assistant U.S. attorney general at the end of Absence of Malice who came in, almost as a deus ex machina character, to mete out judgment. A great scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btqB...jlPWor&index=1

Other than The Firm, I can't think of any bad-guy roles for him.

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I can think of two good-guy roles for Wilford Brimley off the top of my head. He was the assistant nuclear engineer in The China Syndrome who heroically speaks up at the end of the movie, defending the Jack Lemmon character against the corporate slander that was trying make him out to be a nut. That was actually the first movie I ever saw him in.

He also was the kick-ass-and-take-no-prisoners assistant U.S. attorney general at the end of Absence of Malice who came in, almost as a deus ex machina character, to mete out judgment. A great scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btqB...jlPWor&index=1
Check out Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins someday. Brimley plays the head of a secret government agency who recruits an ex-cop (Fred Ward), has him trained by a Korean martial arts master (Joel Grey), and then sends him to bring down a corrupt defense contractor. I wouldn't quite say it's a great movie, but it's so much better than it should have been.
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He also was the kick-ass-and-take-no-prisoners assistant U.S. attorney general at the end of Absence of Malice who came in, almost as a deus ex machina character, to mete out judgment. A great scene: https://www.youtube.com/watchv=btqBJ...jlPWor&index=1
Indeed. I love those kinda scenes where some gnarly old type who intially comes across as disarming or duffer-quaint ends up handing someone's ass to them on a plate.

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In the inconceivably execrable Nightwing, about bats gone crazy, he plays a bat specialist who helps hunt them down.

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Bruce Dern would have to be up there
Definitely not in Silent Running. But, as another poster said - mostly crazy (just like the flop Middle Age Crazy he was in with Ann Margaret).



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It may be that Brimley has just a few bad-guy roles and that they're among the few films of his I've seen. The Firm is one, for sure, and maybe I've only seen a few more.
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Esposito was the hero/martyr in one of the greatest political satires ever made, "Bob Roberts." He works so well as a bad guy, for me, that I always think of him , deep down, the decent guy he played in that.

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I will second Gary Oldman. Especially since he was such a scary crazy bad guy in Léon. Playing Commissioner Gordon does not cancel out that performance.

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(edges away from Sefton).....if you think Oldman is a hero in Romeo is Bleeding....(stops edging away and breaks into full on sprint)
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What about the scary pimp he played in True Romance? Between that and Leon, definitely Bad Guy.

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Does Tarantino count? Is he an actor? Or does he not count because he's an actual asshole? Hard to say...
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He definitely counts as always being a bad actor.
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Robert Z'Dar - even his name seems comically villainous.
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