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Old 09-02-2019, 12:34 PM
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When Pete Buttigieg walked onstage at this month’s Iowa Democratic Wing Ding dinner, the crowd exploded into perhaps their loudest cheer for any of the 20 presidential candidates there that night.

He still commands attention, and inside that room there was real affection from voters who will matter soon.

But six months have passed since Buttigieg’s breakout moment at a CNN town hall briefly propelled him from obscurity to serious contender, and this summer, he seems stuck in fifth place. Now, after a fundraising period in which he led all rivals, including former vice president Joe Biden and several senators with national followings, his team is working to build Buttigieg into a sustainable force capable of winning the Democratic nomination.

“The first phase was just getting people to understand how to pronounce this impossible to pronounce Maltese last name,” Lis Smith, a senior adviser to the campaign who has been with Buttigieg from the start, told BuzzFeed News. “The second phase was to blow everyone out of the water on fundraising — everyone out of the fucking water. Done. Done. Now the third phase is blow them out of the water with our organization and our organizational abilities.”
I've been wondering where he's gone. Had to ride through a wave of negative press following the police incident in South Bend but he's got a lot of money behind his campaign now.
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He’s opening 20 campaign offices in Iowa this month, so he’s in it seriously.
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...ng/2135561001/

I follow his campaign pretty avidly. He’s been doing a lot of appearances, but definitely has backed off the media appearances. That’s probably a good strategy during the summer as people are on vacation and not really engaged with a 2020 election. Of course, that excludes hard core political junkies like me, but I’ve already decided to vote for him.
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Mayor Pete is getting dragged by Black Twitter thanks to this piece in The Root.

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He attended one of the best private schools in the country that was quite literally on the campus of one of the best colleges in the country, University of Notre Dame, where his father worked as a professor for 29 years. His mother taught at an even better, more elite school...

So, when a clip surfaced of Buttigieg explaining why negro kids fail at school so often, his answer made perfect sense.

“Kids need to see evidence that education is going to work for them,” Buttigieg explained whitely, when he was running for mayor in 2011. You’re motivated because you believe that at the end of your education, there is a reward; there’s a stable life; there’s a job. And there are a lot of kids—especially [in] the lower-income, minority neighborhoods, who literally just haven’t seen it work. There isn’t someone who they know personally who testifies to the value of education.”

I want to be clear: Pete Buttigieg is a lying motherfucker.

Majority-minority schools receive $23 billion less in funding than majority-white schools, according to a recent study by EdBuild. Black students in Indiana, the state where Buttigieg serves as mayor, and across the country, are disciplined more harshly than white students. But even though Buttigieg has never attended a school with more than 10 percent black students, he thinks he knows what’s stopping black kids from achieving their educational dreams.

Mayor Pete’s bullshittery is not just wrong, it is proof.

It proves men like him are more willing to perpetuate the fantastic narrative of negro neighborhoods needing more role models and briefcase-carriers than make the people in power stare into the sun and see the blinding light of racism. Get-along moderates would rather make shit up out of whole cloth than wade into the waters of reality. Pete Buttigieg doesn’t want to change anything. He just wants to be something.

This is not just a lie of omission, it is a dangerous precedent. This is why institutional inequality persists.
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Well I somewhat feel Pete is too young to be triangulating but it's working for him.
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Old 11-26-2019, 03:22 PM
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The Root is basically Breitbart for black people.
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Old 11-26-2019, 03:52 PM
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I suspect, too, that Pete has learned a lot more about the barriers that minorities face in the last 8 years. In 2011 he thought the biggest problem was a lack of seeing education work for them; but what does he think in 2019? I want to see a candidate whose opinions change over time as he or she listens to the people in those communities.
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I suspect, too, that Pete has learned a lot more about the barriers that minorities face in the last 8 years. In 2011 he thought the biggest problem was a lack of seeing education work for them; but what does he think in 2019? I want to see a candidate whose opinions change over time as he or she listens to the people in those communities.
Here's his reply to the article quoted above:

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"I believe I was speaking about the need for mentorship and the need for career pathways but the problem is to the extent that, that feels like it's validating a narrative that sometimes blames the victim for the consequences of systematic racism, I understand why he was upset and I understand the perspective and largely agree."
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The ability to say "You're right" without actually saying "I was wrong" is quite an important skill for a high-level politician and is a point in his favor with regard to how he'd be as President.

OTOH it doesn't inspire much confidence that he actually cares about the underlying problem being discussed, which is much less of a point in his favor.
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I think the follow up piece by the writer of the original article in The Root is interesting and worth a read in full.
https://www.theroot.com/pete-buttigi...ned-1840055464
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I think the follow up piece by the writer of the original article in The Root is interesting and worth a read in full.
https://www.theroot.com/pete-buttigi...ned-1840055464
Good article. I am amused at the author's self-description as "World-renowned wypipologist".
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uh.....is "negro" a thing again? I noticed that the first time I read that article after someone had posted it on FB.
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You could say AOC isn't a fan of his college tuition reform proposals: https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/29/opini...zer/index.html
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You could say AOC isn't a fan of his college tuition reform proposals: https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/29/opini...zer/index.html
I can't follow if that article is warning against those kind of attacks from AOC or warning against Dems taking moderate positions like Buttigeg is taking.

I agree though that the Democratic party is at an interesting crossroads right now and needs to be careful how it finishes out the primary cycle.
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You could say AOC isn't a fan of his college tuition reform proposals: https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/29/opini...zer/index.html
A bit fed up of hearing people further on the left accuse other dems of using "republican talking points" because they don't go as full out in their proposals that the Bernie-Warren wing want.

Republicans wouldn't want any of the plans put forward by democrats. Healthcare, education, immigration. You name it and they'll call it socialism.
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You could say AOC isn't a fan of his college tuition reform proposals: https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/29/opini...zer/index.html
How would Candidate A differentiate themselves from the other candidates if they didn’t compare/contrast their plans/ideas to the others?
And if it’s a “talking point” or something liable to be brought up/pointed out, it doesn’t matter who brings it up or why; unless the thought is the Republicans wouldn’t notice it had not a Democratic candidate brought it up.

From the article: After all, some of the nation's most successful federal programs — such as Social Security, Medicare and K-12 public education — have been available to all Americans regardless of their income. Surely, he doesn't think that these programs are also misconceived? Am I the only one who notices that in 2 of the 3 programs mentioned there is recipient contribution to the program? I’m unaware of any of the free college for all/most that has recipient funding.

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A bit fed up of hearing people further on the left accuse other dems of using "republican talking points" because they don't go as full out in their proposals that the Bernie-Warren wing want.

Republicans wouldn't want any of the plans put forward by democrats. Healthcare, education, immigration. You name it and they'll call it socialism.
...you really are missing the point. The Republican Talking Point isn't "Buttigieg isn't going full out in support of proposals that the Bernie-Warren wing want." The Talking Point Buttigieg is using was:

"There are some voices saying, 'well that doesn't count unless you go even further, unless it's free even for the kids of millionaires,' but I only want to make promises that we can keep."

Recontextualising universal coverage into 'the Bernie Warren wing want to provide free education for the kids of millionaires" is the GOP Talking Point. It misses the point of universality. Nobody in countries that provide Universal Healthcare or Universal Education complain that "rich kids get free stuff." Nobody complains that rich people are able to use public libraries. Its a strawman argument. Its a GOP Talking Point.

If you means test then you have to create an entirely new infrastructure to run that means testing. Whether or not its a good idea is entirely worthy of debate. But the entire point of Talking Points is to re-contextualize complex issues into bite-size-easily-digestible-chunks, and the point is to avoid that debate. "Millionaires being eligible for free stuff with universal proposals" isn't a false statement. But why is it bad for millionaires to be eligible for a scheme they will likely never-ever use?

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"I have to confess that I was slow to realize -- I worked for years under the illusion that our schools in my city were integrated" - Mayor Pete

So as a mayor of a large town/small city, you were oblivious for years to something this basic that was happening in your town.

And you want to be President of the United States.

Whoa.
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A bit fed up of hearing people further on the left accuse other dems of using "republican talking points" because they don't go as full out in their proposals that the Bernie-Warren wing want.
The problem with Buttigieg isn't that his proposals don't go as far. It's his aiming his guns left, attacking the people whose proposals went farther for doing so.

In the case of free college, he's using the bullshit "you're gonna pay for college for millionaires' kids" line (and yes, Republicans will turn around and use this kind of talking point to paint the Dems as the true elitists, don't expect consistency from them) to argue that a means-tested program is better than a universal program.

And I gotta say, this is stupid every which way.

First, universal programs tend to have much closer to universal support than means-tested programs.

Second, once you draw a cutoff line and say, "no one making more than $X/year can benefit from this program" that line can be redrawn at a lower level to save money, the next time Congress has put themselves in a situation of having to cut one program to pay for another.

Third, any such program is going to have poor support from those above the cutoff, and those people are very reliable voters. The possibility of its being reduced to a half-assed tuition aid program for the poor in the next GOP wave is all too real.

Fourth, the cost differences between Buttigieg's proposal and the Warren/Sanders proposals just aren't going to be that great, if implemented as proposed.

4a) As I understand it, Warren/Sanders would only support paying for public college. If rich people want to send their kids to U.Va. instead of Harvard/Yale/Princeton, they can take advantage of this program. Obviously, genuinely rich people will continue to send their kids to the most elite school they can get into, rather than save a few hundred K by sending their kids to a state school.

4b) Even if the rich people did send their kids to public universities en masse, Buttigieg's plan gives full support to the bottom 80%, and partial assistance to the next 10%. If you're gonna pay for college for essentially 85% of students when you haven't before, it's kinda silly to say that that last 15% presents some insurmountable budgetary obstacle.

The only point of this is to launch a bullshit accusation that Warren and Sanders want to pay for college for the sons and daughters of billionaires.

I grow more disgusted with Mayor Pete by the day. As I think everyone in this forum knows, I think Biden would be a weak candidate and a weak President to boot, so I really don't want him to be the nominee. But I'd take him in a heartbeat over Buttigieg. At least I know who Joe Biden is, warts and all.
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Here's CNN on #NeverPete: How Buttigieg has drawn the fury of the online left: https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/16/polit...ete/index.html
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"I have to confess that I was slow to realize -- I worked for years under the illusion that our schools in my city were integrated" - Mayor Pete

So as a mayor of a large town/small city, you were oblivious for years to something this basic that was happening in your town.

And you want to be President of the United States.

Whoa.
I see that as a moment of reflection and introspection -- good qualities to have.

I repeat that I like Mayor Pete as a person, and I think he has a future in politics, but he is way too assuming to believe he should be president or anything remotely close to it at this stage in his career. And his supporters are just channeling their "none of the above" energy that seems to be prevalent in our system today.
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Maybe someone has mentioned this, but South Bend is not a small town, it has 100K people and the metro area has 720k people. And it's 90 miles from Chicago.

However I agree that he needs more experience to be president. He should spend some time in Congress/Senate or as governor before I think he is qualified.
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Maybe someone has mentioned this, but South Bend is not a small town, it has 100K people and the metro area has 720k people. And it's 90 miles from Chicago.

However I agree that he needs more experience to be president. He should spend some time in Congress/Senate or as governor before I think he is qualified.
True, but from what it sounds like, there has been a serious disconnect between his own idea of his performance and some members of South Bend's community. It also brings to mind something that I think is an inherent blind spot of white progressives: they think that just because they have progressive ideas that they necessarily connect and identify with people of color, and that is just not the case. Bernie Sanders had the same problem in 2016, and to his credit, whereas I think he kind of blew the criticisms off back then, he has made more of an effort to understand his critics. I don't consider myself a huge Bernie for Prez guy, but I respect him for that. Mayor Pete needs to go through a similar process, I feel.
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True, but from what it sounds like, there has been a serious disconnect between his own idea of his performance and some members of South Bend's community. It also brings to mind something that I think is an inherent blind spot of white progressives: they think that just because they have progressive ideas that they necessarily connect and identify with people of color, and that is just not the case. Bernie Sanders had the same problem in 2016, and to his credit, whereas I think he kind of blew the criticisms off back then, he has made more of an effort to understand his critics. I don't consider myself a huge Bernie for Prez guy, but I respect him for that. Mayor Pete needs to go through a similar process, I feel.
I am shocked, SHOCKED, to find out there are people in a city that criticize the mayor. And, of course, this goes double for a mayor that’s running for president and some of the city activists prefer other candidates.
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I see that as a moment of reflection and introspection -- good qualities to have.

I repeat that I like Mayor Pete as a person, and I think he has a future in politics, but he is way too assuming to believe he should be president or anything remotely close to it at this stage in his career. And his supporters are just channeling their "none of the above" energy that seems to be prevalent in our system today.
He’s only five years younger than JFK was when he got elected.
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And look how he ended up.
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And look how he ended up.
But Reagan was also the target of an assassination as the oldest president.

I’m not a doctor so I don’t know if JFK would had access to medical technology from 1981 if he would have survived.
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Maybe someone has mentioned this, but South Bend is not a small town, it has 100K people
Ship them all to Michigan Stadium and you have 15,000 empty seats.

Not small by some standards but maybe not the best experience for jumping to the White House.

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I am shocked, SHOCKED, to find out there are people in a city that criticize the mayor. And, of course, this goes double for a mayor that’s running for president and some of the city activists prefer other candidates.
I am shocked, SHOCKED, that someone who supports Mayor Pete would dismiss the feelings of those who know him best if those feelings weren't all sunshine and puppies.

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I am shocked, SHOCKED, to find out there are people in a city that criticize the mayor. And, of course, this goes double for a mayor that’s running for president and some of the city activists prefer other candidates.
But we're not just talking about a few people who criticize the mayor; it seems that a significant number of Black residents in South Bend have unanswered concerns, and now that Black Americans are getting a chance to dig into his record, a number of them appear to be not as impressed with him and his record either. That doesn't mean he can't change their minds. As I pointed out previously (either here or on another thread), Bernie Sanders had a similar problem with Black voters in 2016, and the evidence is that he seems to be running a much less tone-deaf campaign now.
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I’m not a doctor so I don’t know if JFK would had access to medical technology from 1981 if he would have survived.
Even with today's medical technology, "shot through the brain" is usually instantly fatal.
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Reagan's White House staff doctor wrote a book awhile back, discussing presidential assassinations and who might've been saved with modern medical care. Lincoln, probably not, IIRC; Garfield and McKinley, almost certainly yes; JFK, definitely not.
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During [his mayoral] campaign, he continued to play up his McKinsey work, but began noting that he had been “part of billion-dollar decisions made by Fortune 500 companies,” starting in his announcement speech.

Unlike in his state treasurer run, Buttigieg also highlighted that he had “worked in business as an adviser to senior decision-makers, helping to turn their companies around and create jobs,”
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What a phony.
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Pete Buttigieg, 2011:


And in 2010:

And now:
What a phony.
How cute. I assume you’ve never written a resume?
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How cute. You don't know that some people, not even the politicians, have been forced to quit jobs or been fired because they lied on their resume?

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He didn't lie. He pumped up that his work informed decisions and made clear he wasn't in charge of shit when he started going for the big job. I'm not a Buttigieg booster but the Warren sponsored peanut gallery is pretty full of shit.
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How cute. You don't know that some people, not even the politicians, have been forced to quit jobs or been fired because they lied on their resume?

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Then why don’t you define lying? Let’s start with Native American ancestry, shall we?
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Then why don’t you define lying? Let’s start with Native American ancestry, shall we?
How cute, you change the subject.

No, let's keep talking about how much Mayor Pete sucks. That's the subject of this thread.
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To recap:

2011: "I am the only candidate with experience working on billion-dollar decisions..."
2019: "I had little decision making authority."

Both are true because neither is a lie.
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But we're not just talking about a few people who criticize the mayor; it seems that a significant number of Black residents in South Bend have unanswered concerns, and now that Black Americans are getting a chance to dig into his record, a number of them appear to be not as impressed with him and his record either. That doesn't mean he can't change their minds. As I pointed out previously (either here or on another thread), Bernie Sanders had a similar problem with Black voters in 2016, and the evidence is that he seems to be running a much less tone-deaf campaign now.
I agree that Buttigieg is making no headway at all among black voters. But he's hardly alone.

An Emerson poll this month had Biden with 52% of the African American vote. I guess you could say that Sanders is doing better than he did last time (19%--in 2016 he received about 24% if memory serves, with fewer candidates of course)--but it's not an impressive showing and it's not as though African Americans are flocking to him.

Warren is not attracting black voters at all (the poll has her at a pretty dreadful 7%), and Klobuchar, Steyer, and Yang don't even appear in the poll summary.

--Obviously you'd rather be in sanders's position, or for that matter Warren's, than be in Buttigieg's shoes where AA voters are concerned. Still, it's notable that no one other than Biden is really making any headway with African Americans, and I would agree that if that Biden support falls apart the mayor could certainly be one of the beneficiaries.
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How cute, you change the subject.

No, let's keep talking about how much Mayor Pete sucks. That's the subject of this thread.
Pete doesn’t suck. Warren has shown herself to be a liar. As much as I want her out of this race, I know the #1 enemy is Sanders and while they’re both in, they can Canablize the votes of the ‘true progressives’
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Nah. Pete sucks.

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Pete doesn’t suck. Warren has shown herself to be a liar. As much as I want her out of this race, I know the #1 enemy is Sanders and while they’re both in, they can Canablize the votes of the ‘true progressives’
Dude the only reason you are stanning for Pete so hard is because he is a white gay guy in his 30s just like you. That's it. If a black straight woman, or whatever other identity permutation, with the same exact resume and experience as Buttigieg was running instead, you would be dismissing them and mocking their supporters just like you constantly do with the other 2 dozen candidates running.

Congratulations for buying so hard into identity politics I guess. I see it every time I go to a gay bar... White 30-something guys in Pete 2020 shirts everywhere. Sorry to break it to you, but there aren't enough white gay men in this country to hand Buttigieg the nomination, especially when his support among black voters is effectively zero.
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Nice response. I was just gonna say "true progressive? lol."

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Dude the only reason you are stanning for Pete so hard is because he is a white gay guy in his 30s just like you. That's it. If a black straight woman, or whatever other identity permutation, with the same exact resume and experience as Buttigieg was running instead, you would be dismissing them and mocking their supporters just like you constantly do with the other 2 dozen candidates running.

Congratulations for buying so hard into identity politics I guess. I see it every time I go to a gay bar... White 30-something guys in Pete 2020 shirts everywhere. Sorry to break it to you, but there aren't enough white gay men in this country to hand Buttigieg the nomination, especially when his support among black voters is effectively zero.
I want to go to those gay bars. Every gay I know and certainly all of #GayTwitter worships the despicable Warren. And the no black support nonsense is only based on South Carolina which is a unique hellhole of an impotent and apathetic Democratic Party.
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You don't have to be gay to like Pete. He is really, really good at communicating. When he takes the mic, his confident and authoritative demeanor make Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders look like old drunks. And his youth is refreshing - people in their 30s are a thing that exists, you know? It's energizing to witness someone who looks and sounds like one of my peers, and not my uncle or grandfather, in politics.

His limited appeal to minorities is a problem, no doubt, and will probably limit his electability. But it's easy for me to see why someone would like him. He's likable.
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How cute, you change the subject.

No, let's keep talking about how much Mayor Pete sucks. That's the subject of this thread.
Firstly, it’s not the subject of this thread. Secondly, no candidate is perfect. If the worst you can say about Mayor Pete is that he plays up his accomplishments when it helps him to do so, and downplays them when the situation calls for it just like literally every other politician who has ever lived, ever then...okay, I guess. I can live with that.

He’s still better than Pocahontas, Senile Joe, and Crazy Klobuchar, a dollar store Selina Meyer who throws stuff at her staff if her water’s not cold enough. And, as much as it pains me to admit it, he’s more electable than Bernie who’s an amazing guy, but who’s also an 80 year old socialist who’s just had a heart attack.
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You don't have to be gay to like Pete. He is really, really good at communicating. When he takes the mic, his confident and authoritative demeanor make Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders look like old drunks. And his youth is refreshing - people in their 30s are a thing that exists, you know? It's energizing to witness someone who looks and sounds like one of my peers, and not my uncle or grandfather, in politics.

His limited appeal to minorities is a problem, no doubt, and will probably limit his electability. But it's easy for me to see why someone would like him. He's likable.
I don't dislike him. Or, at least, I don't dislike him as much as the other ones. He is the smartest person running, just based on raw intelligence alone, no doubt. But he has proven to be a shapeshifter, and despite being a millennial his base is mostly just made up of old white people who for whatever reason don't want Biden or a female candidate. He had me in the beginning when his pet issue was electoral reform- he lost me once he doubled down on the Jesus shtick and shamelessly became the favorite pet of millionaire donors.

It doesn't matter anyway- Biden will be the nominee. Warren & Bernie will split the left vote, and after Klobachur's rumble with Pete in the last debate those two will end up splitting the "moderate" not-Biden vote. It's so boring and obvious. Thanks to too many people running, who are all snipping at each other instead of the old white whale barely leading the national polls, Biden will stumble his way into the nomination like Mr. Magoo.

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I want to go to those gay bars. Every gay I know and certainly all of #GayTwitter worships the despicable Warren. And the no black support nonsense is only based on South Carolina which is a unique hellhole of an impotent and apathetic Democratic Party.
Try Sidetrack in Chicago. It's overflowing with insufferable gay yuppies who are irrationaly obsessed with Mayor Pete just like you.
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Try Sidetrack in Chicago. It's overflowing with insufferable gay yuppies who are irrationaly obsessed with Mayor Pete just like you.
Sidetracks used to be fun but it’s overwhelmed with straight women from Lincoln Park who will move to the burbs and start voting Republican once they get married.

I did go there to see Chasten when he was here.
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Sidetracks used to be fun but it’s overwhelmed with straight women from Lincoln Park who will move to the burbs and start voting Republican once they get married.

I did go there to see Chasten when he was here.
Sidestrack was never fun, unless you wanted the most generic Queer as Folk experience possible, or enjoyed wading through a massive herd of identical-looking bottoms who are all desperately searching for a top.

But that's neither here nor there.
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