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Old 12-13-2019, 12:11 AM
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Cenk Uygur is running for CA-25


Cenk Uygur, from the Young Turks, has announced his candidacy for CA-25, recently vacated by the resignation of Katie Hill.
https://ballotpedia.org/Cenk_Uygur

Uygur has made disgusting remarks about women in the past, including saying they are flawed genetically because they don't want sex often enough, especially not wanting to have sex with him.
https://www.thewrap.com/young-turks-...-women-flawed/

At least seven local or state Democratic groups, including the California National Organization for Women and the LGBT-focused Stonewall Democratic Club, have denounced Uygur’s past remarks, with some calling for him to drop out of the race.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/democr...ressional-seat

Bernie Sanders just endorsed him.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/13/polit...gur/index.html


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Old 12-13-2019, 12:45 AM
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I've been watching the Young Turks for awhile know, and whatever he said in the past it's obvious he is a different guy now.

He totally admits to making those remarks but says he was young and stupid then and he totally refutes those remarks now.

He's been on the Young Turks for quite awhile now and in that time he's been a far left progressive. Pro LGBTQ rights. Pro women's rights. Anti big business.

I think more interesting is that he's a far left progressive running in what is considered a purple district. It'll be interesting to see if he has any success.
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Old 12-13-2019, 02:02 AM
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I know he has repudiated his earlier claims, but at one point he was an Armenian genocide denier. No political argument from me, I just think it's funny that on the same day Senate passed an unanimous resolution acknowledging the genocide.
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Chris Cuomo interviewed (not the original source) Cenk about his run.

Some questions Cuomo asked in the interview:
Cenk doesn't live in the district (he plans to move there)
The blog post with the misogynistic remarks
The Young Turks name of the show
Armenian genocide denier

The Daily Beast article in the OP needs some cites because some of the examples lack context and it should be easy to pull that footage, but if true, a couple of the remarks in that article make me uncomfortable.

Because of the controversy surrounding the misogynistic blog posts from 18 years ago, Cenk resigned a couple years ago from the Justice Democrats, the organization that started Alexandria Ocasio Cortez's political career.
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The priority is to pack Congress with human beings opposed to the Party of Greed, Hatred and Lies. Whatever his foibles, Uygur is preferable to every.single.Republican.

Having said that: Yes, I thought Uygur was something of an asshole when I watched him on YouTube. Here are some links to his old (19 years ago) website, when he was a Republican (though he was sure Nixon's crimes were worse than Clinton's).
Armenian genocide?
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The Daily Beast article in the OP needs some cites because some of the examples lack context and it should be easy to pull that footage, but if true, a couple of the remarks in that article make me uncomfortable.
One of the paradoxes of modern political discourse is everyone demands people change their views, yet insists it doesn't matter if they do because they're still going to hold their old views against them, forever.
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One of the paradoxes of modern political discourse is everyone demands people change their views, yet insists it doesn't matter if they do because they're still going to hold their old views against them, forever.
I agree. I don't agree with cancel culture. But these quotes from 2012 from the Daily Beast article in the OP are troubling to me.

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Uygur detractors, for example, have highlighted a 2012 Young Turks clip where Uygur and other Young Turks staffers discussed a mother-daughter porn duo. Uygur quizzed his co-hosts on whether they would have sex with both women at once, leaving aside concerns about incest.

Uygur said that he certainly would have sex with the mother and daughter together, if given the opportunity.

“If I was single, no question, I would do it,” Uygur said.
Cenk has said that what people do in their personal time is their business, but quizzing other people about what they do in their free time and airing it in public is a little disturbing to me.

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Uygur’s foes in the district have also highlighted past remarks about bisexual women. In 2012, for example, Uygur said he had never been attracted to Sex and the City actress Cynthia Nixon—until she came out as bisexual.

“When I found out she was bisexual I thought, ‘Cynthia Nixon,’” Uygur said, raising his voice in approval. “All of a sudden… ‘Cynthia Nixon.’”
This is objectifying someone. She's not there for someone to make judgements about her sexuality and then tell others what they think about it.

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In another broadcast on declining rates of sexual activity in Japan, Uygur said he would travel to Japan to take advantage of the opportunity if he were still single.

“Japan is butter, I’m hot knife,” Uygur said, waving his hand to illustrate the metaphorical knife. “I’d run through those girls!”
Ugh, ick and ewww. I'm not easily squicked about these topics generally, but I literally said eww as I read this.

As I posted above, these don't have cites or video clips attached that I could see, so I don't know context or even if it really happened. But if it did, I'm not liking it.

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I’m not gonna be in a position to vote in the special election, but I wonder what Mrs. Uygur thought about it whenever he would include “if I were still single” into one of his evaluations of women’s desirability.
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One of the paradoxes of modern political discourse is everyone demands people change their views, yet insists it doesn't matter if they do because they're still going to hold their old views against them, forever.
That's right, only perfect people can represent us, make one mistake and you are worthless for the rest of your life. Luckily, all of our representatives are flawless people who have never made a mistake, just like all those people who criticize Uygur.
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I guess his progressive political views align with mine. He's still a juvenile twat, tho. Surely Dems can do better in CA-25, right?
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What is troubling to me is that somehow the notion of public service, through elected office, has turned into a circus act. Trump certainly did not cause this to happen, but is simply the most visible symptom. It is telling that this is happening world-wide. So, any joker with a twitter following thinks they can (and should) run for office. Of course their past outrageous remarks will be fodder for discussion, they should be. But as we have seen, the public has shown that all of that is just part of the circus.
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I know he has repudiated his earlier claims, but at one point he was an Armenian genocide denier. No political argument from me, I just think it's funny that on the same day Senate passed an unanimous resolution acknowledging the genocide.
When did he repudiate them-before, or after, he decided to run?
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I guess his progressive political views align with mine. He's still a juvenile twat, tho. Surely Dems can do better in CA-25, right?
He is currently one of five declared Democratic Party candidates( there are six Republicans ). Someone like Christy Smith is far more likely to get the nod than Uygur.
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Shitbag Sanders has weaseled back his endorsement.

https://twitter.com/berniesanders/st...90453351006208

Fuck you, Bernie and fuck you, Cenk.
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When did he repudiate them-before, or after, he decided to run?
2016 was the first time he explicitly said so it looks like, but the last time he publicly engaged in denialism was 1999, so it's not clear when he changed his mind.
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Cenk is not a journalist.

He is a commentator.

He is like Hannity, Ingraham, etc.
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I have watched the Young Turks (no, that name shouldn't be problematic, except maybe the "young" part) off and on going back to when the show was on Air America.

If you want a guy who can explain an issue clearly and concisely, who respects his audience's ability to absorb complexity and who gets to the point (unlike Rachel), Cenk is your guy. But there's this frat boy lurking inside him, and he just can't seem to resist blurting out his worst tendencies, then saying "oops, did I just do that"? I have a strong feeling his political ambitions are soon to be squelched.

Quote: Shitbag Sanders has weaseled back his endorsement.

https://twitter.com/berniesanders/st...90453351006208

Fuck you, Bernie and fuck you, Cenk.


Easy now! Where did that come from?

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Cenk was raised Turkish. He was taught to dismiss the Armenian Genocide as a young person, & it took him a long time to come around. Credit must be given to his TYT employee/co-host Ana Kasparian (who is of Armenian descent) for her patience with him.

Some of the stuff he's said about sex is a little weird. The stuff in the OP was meant as a joke. I guess politics doesn't know what to do with sardonic or self-mocking humor.

Overall, Cenk's a pretty good guy, & a vocal enemy of corruption. CA-25 could do a lot worse.
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It's not my district, but I'll tell ya.

With Cenk it's not too hard to see what you're going to get. He has been a media figure for a long time. So, yeah, I can get behind this candidacy.
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Cenk was raised Turkish. He was taught to dismiss the Armenian Genocide as a young person, & it took him a long time to come around. Credit must be given to his TYT employee/co-host Ana Kasparian (who is of Armenian descent) for her patience with him.

Some of the stuff he's said about sex is a little weird. The stuff in the OP was meant as a joke. I guess politics doesn't know what to do with sardonic or self-mocking humor.

Overall, Cenk's a pretty good guy, & a vocal enemy of corruption. CA-25 could do a lot worse.
It was a joke?

It seems like Rs are gtting on his ass for a David Duke interview that the republicans are using to say that he is sympathetic to the man, or whatever. By all reports though, it was a good interview. That's not a joke AFAIK. Cenk is as scary to them as a young girl is. That's scary.
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I watch TYT and I had often thought Cenk would be a great candidate.
He's very knowledgeable on the issues and cuts straight to the point, in a very passionate way.

He's exactly what democrats need at this time; we need people who are going to call republican BS, not just trump but everyone enabling him, in a way that gets the attention of people unwilling to even hear a democratic opinion.

I didn't hear about the scandals until later, but in his interview he said he took the comments back around 20 years ago when he switched political views and started TYT.

I'm not sure I believe the latter (although the thing about women needing to have sex with him was clearly not serious), but he's certainly supported progressive policies for all that time, and if his old comments are disqualifying, then we're saying that anyone who publically says anything dumb, at any point in their life, is disqualified forever.
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Cenk is not a journalist.

He is a commentator.

He is like Hannity, Ingraham, etc.
He is like The Majority Report or MSNBC. You know that the two people you cited are batshit rico level propagandists, who are bringing us to the point of a national crisis with smiles and grins on their faces.
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Oh yeah: And Hannity has nightly talks with the freaking president. But Cenk is the same thing. Get out of here with that garbage.
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One of the paradoxes of modern political discourse is everyone demands people change their views, yet insists it doesn't matter if they do because they're still going to hold their old views against them, forever.
Well, what we want to know is did the leopard really change his spots or is he just pretending to win votes?

Carpetbagger. Rho Khanna was another carpetbagger.

And he got one of his female staffers to fawn all over him on twitters, even saying things like "I am disgusted that the Dem party uses the very serious issues of mysogony (sic) and rape culture to keep real progressives out of office..."

Yeah, the Democrats should use issues like rape culture and misogyny to keep candidates out of office, no matter their politcal leanings. Of course we should start with trump, but still...
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Interesting that when you call someone a carpetbagger, you name Ro Khanna, & not, say, Hillary Clinton or Mitt Romney.

At least Cenk is a SoCal resident.
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He is currently one of five declared Democratic Party candidates( there are six Republicans ). Someone like Christy Smith is far more likely to get the nod than Uygur.
Good.

I'm having a hard time with a 'young and stupid' excuse when he was blogging this stuff at age 31. How do you not have core values by then? He should stay in his current role.
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I'm having a hard time with a 'young and stupid' excuse when he was blogging this stuff at age 31. How do you not have core values by then? He should stay in his current role.
It's not "young and stupid", it's that he's repudiated those views for close to 20 years.
Is a bad opinion once a life sentence?
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It's not "young and stupid", it's that he's repudiated those views for close to 20 years.
Is a bad opinion once a life sentence?
It's not just a 'bad opinion' or a single instance of stupidity. It's not knowing who the fuck you are at age 30. Sure, he's 'repudiated' his former views for X years, but why did he hold them so long into adulthood? Did he believe in something or was he just looking for a gig? Does he believe what he says now? There are hardworking people in public service who have been at it for years. Like Christy Smith.
Someone who has earned it. This smells like a carpetbagging mini-celebrity looking for his next vanity project

On top of all that, he's been barfing out his sexist drivel as recently as 2013. Not someone I want in public service.
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It's not just a 'bad opinion' or a single instance of stupidity. It's not knowing who the fuck you are at age 30. Sure, he's 'repudiated' his former views for X years, but why did he hold them so long into adulthood?
We can have a discussion about that question, but regardless I disagree that it should be disqualifying.

He's not just reversed those views for 20 years, but been a champion for progressive causes in that time. I have no doubt he will continue to be. And as an orator, he's one of the best I've seen at shooting down republican nonsense, perhaps because he was once republican himself. I think it's just shooting ourselves in the foot to reject a candidate like this.

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Did he believe in something or was he just looking for a gig? Does he believe what he says now? There are hardworking people in public service who have been at it for years. Like Christy Smith.
Someone who has earned it. This smells like a carpetbagging mini-celebrity looking for his next vanity project
He's politically quite active, this has not come from nowhere. For example, he founded Wolf PAC.
And I don't care about "earned it", I care about who is going to best drive progressive causes and lead to actual progress.

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On top of all that, he's been barfing out his sexist drivel as recently as 2013. Not someone I want in public service.
Cenk is very active on social media and also has thousands of TV appearances. A comment like that has been found from sifting through every minute / character of it to find any possible dirt. It's not some representative sample of what he normally talks about.
Anyway, the best they could find is some comment about fake tits being common in California...yeah OK I'll say could be offensive, but I would think on the very weak end of it.

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That didn't go well.

With two-thirds of the results in lets just put it this way: he received more retweets for his candidacy announcement three months ago than the number of votes he has received.
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TYT has turned into the Bernie Sanders Dick Sucking Society. It's unwatchable now- they're nearly as much of the Bernie Cult as the MAGAbots are for Donald. Good to see him crash and burn. He's an obnoxious little twerp.
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Well that's depressing news. Back to business as usual then.
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TYT call themselves "the home of progressives". They're very up front about it. They were pro-Warren for awhile too. It's no surprise they are pro-Bernie.

Just goes to show you can't fight the machine.

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