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Yes, you've asserted that masterfully.
Pat yourself on the back, big boy.
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Pat yourself on the back, big boy.
So...we aren't done then? Instead of these silly antics, why not take a shot at an actual argument and discussion? Or, you could come back with calling me chief or something along those lines.
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So...we aren't done then? Instead of these silly antics, why not take a shot at an actual argument and discussion? Or, you could come back with calling me chief or something along those lines.
You're repeating the same shit over and over again.
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You're repeating the same shit over and over again.
As are you. Only my shit is consistent and you've yet to really rebut it. Mainly, you've told me how I don't understand...a theme you've repeated several times. You haven't actually tried, that I can see, to address my own points. I have, actually, tried to address yours, though obviously not to your satisfaction. I understand that we look at this completely different, since we are in similar discussions across multiple threads with this same theme right now. But it could be a rational and measured discussion. You just don't seem to want that. Shrug. That's fine, I'm good for just agreeing to disagree, or you going off in a huff or whatever.
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asahi and XT, unless you have factual information supporting logical arguments, just drop the exchange and knock it off with the personal jabs. It is going to get one or both of you Warnings if this keeps up. And yes, I recognize that one of you is behaving slightly more in good faith, but you both keep throwing out the personal digs. Stop it.

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Much going on in the Korean peninsula today!


https://apnews.com/d8ef1cc094504d05ba4222e5689efb17
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North Korea leader Kim Jong Un has inspected a newly built submarine and ordered officials to further bolster the country’s military capability, state media reported Tuesday, as the North is increasing its pressure on the United States ahead of the possible resumption of nuclear diplomacy.

Last week, North Korea said it may lift its 20-month suspension of nuclear and missile tests to protest expected military drills between the United States and South Korea that North Korea views as an invasion rehearsal.

The Korean Central News Agency reported Kim expressed “great satisfaction” with the submarine after learning about its operational and tactical data and weapon systems.

Kim “stressed the need to steadily and reliably increase the national defense capability by directing big efforts to the development of the naval weapons and equipment such as submarine,” according to KCNA.

KCNA didn’t say exactly when and where Kim’s inspection of the submarine occurred. It said the submarine’s operational deployment “is near at hand.”
Also, this happened today: South Korea fires warning shots at Russia warplanes
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South Korea says it has fired warning shots after Russian military planes entered South Korea’s airspace.

South Korea’s Defense Ministry says multiple Russian military planes violated the South Korean airspace off its east coast on Tuesday.

The ministry says South Korea launched fighter jets and that they fired warning shots.

It says Chinese military planes also intruded into South Korea’s aerial identification zone on Tuesday.

The ministry gave no further details.
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Where's the OP to tell us how much winning we are having now?

Trump and Kim. Just a bump in the Love Story path.
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I fully expect Ravenman to come on and complain about North Korea's..."stupid" and 'reckless" "escalations".
Even without post #855, this would be not appropriate. If you have a problem with another poster, take it to the Pit. Do not carry some grudge from thread to thread.

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https://www.vox.com/2019/7/23/207071...r-weapon-trump

The real story: North Korea now has a sub that has the capacity to carry and launch nuclear weapons.

All of the evidence the last few days, weeks, months and beyond, from Iran to North Korea, supports my hypotheses, which is that bellicosity is a response to American-imposed sanctions and that militarism isn't really a desire for conflict with the US but rather, a form of counter-pressure. If we at least hold out the possibility that we can suspend sanctions while we negotiate, we might get somewhere. But the American foreign policy playbook, which posters like XT and Ravenman apparently subscribe to, stipulates that Americans can only talk and sanctions can only be removed when the opposition is so weakened, so prostrate that it begs to come to the table. My assertion is that other countries have learned from the lesson of Iraq: don't be the sucker that falls for American pledges to act in good faith. Come to the negotiating table with some real power and real counter-pressure in hand.

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Speaking of North Korea, let's see Trump work his deal making magic with this one:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-n...KCN1UJ0H4?il=0
"OK, which side here wants to declare bankruptcy? That's how I roll!"

MOSCOW/SEOUL (Reuters) - Russia on Wednesday accused North Korea of illegally detaining one of its fishing vessels and said it would freeze talks with Pyongyang on fisheries cooperation until the issue was resolved, the RIA news agency reported.
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Speaking of North Korea, let's see Trump work his deal making magic with this one:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-n...KCN1UJ0H4?il=0
"OK, which side here wants to declare bankruptcy? That's how I roll!"

MOSCOW/SEOUL (Reuters) - Russia on Wednesday accused North Korea of illegally detaining one of its fishing vessels and said it would freeze talks with Pyongyang on fisheries cooperation until the issue was resolved, the RIA news agency reported.
My guess is that Russian fishermen were probably aggressively fishing in areas that North Korea considers to be its own turf and North Korea wanted to send a message to the sailors, not so much Russia generally. It would be in North Korea's interests not to piss off Russia, considering how they need Russia's helping in softening the blow of US sanctions.
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SKorea says NKorea fires 2 unidentified projectiles into sea
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North Korea fired two unidentified projectiles into the sea on Thursday, South Korea’s military said, the first launches in more than two months as North Korean and U.S. officials work to restart nuclear diplomacy.

The South’s Joint Chiefs of Staff said the projectiles were fired from the eastern coastal town of Wonsan and flew 430 kilometers (267 miles). It wasn’t immediately known what type of projectiles North Korea fired. But in the past, such launches have involved missiles or artillery.
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A senior U.S. official said the Trump administration was aware of the reports of a “short-range projectile launched from North Korea.” The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to provide a response, said the administration had no further comment at this time.

It was the first such launches since Seoul said North Korea fired three short-range missiles off its east coast in early May.
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North Korea says missile test was “solemn warning” to South
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A day after two North Korean missile launches rattled Asia, the nation said Friday it had tested a “new-type tactical guided weapon” that was meant as a “solemn warning” about South Korean weapons development and its plan to hold military exercises.

The message, which was carried on state media and released in the name of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, was directed at “South Korean military warmongers” and came as U.S. and North Korean officials struggle to set up talks after a recent meeting on the Korean border between Kim and U.S. President Donald Trump seemed to provide a breakthrough in stalled nuclear negotiations.
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It made clear, however, that North Korea is infuriated over U.S.-South Korean plans to hold military drills that the North says are invasion rehearsals and proof of the allies’ hostility to Pyongyang.

It was also gloating at times, saying that the test “must have given uneasiness and agony to some targeted forces enough as it intended.”
Trump sure is winning this situation, eh.
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North Korea says missile test was “solemn warning” to SouthTrump sure is winning this situation, eh.
The good news is if there's a war with Iran, everybody will forget about North Korea for a while.
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Not the people who live in South Korea.
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Our problem with North Korea is the same one we have with Iran: we assume that we have the economic and military power to force the enemy to capitulate to our demands and reach an accord on terms that are largely favorable to us, even if it threatens the existence of the other power's regime. Make no mistake about it: we're waging war with North Korea and Iran; we're just waging war with them economically because we'd rather not deal with the loss of life militarily, which would be potentially problematic at home politically. We apply pressure because the assumption is that they will eventually bend and break.

What North Korea and Iran are doing is what the other member of the Axis of Evil did not, perhaps because they simply could not. North Korea and Iran are using whatever limited means they have at their disposal to apply counter-pressure. I get the sense that John Bolton has advocated bombing the shit out of both countries and that even Mike Pompeo might be trying to talk some sense into him, and Pompeo's probably not above dropping massive amounts of ordnance on foreign countries who piss him off. Other than that, I doubt that the Trump foreign policy brain trust has thought much about how they got themselves into this mess, and they've probably thought even less about how to get out.

I think the average person has little idea about just how dangerous both situations are. Maybe they accept the fact that Iran's dangerous because "Helloooo, like, um, Muslims! Crazy!" But I don't think the average American idiot really understands the particularly dangerous nature of the dynamics at play. We're setting up a situation in which misreading, miscalculation leads to massive war.

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Seven minute long Wall Street Journal video attempts to address this thread, titled:
"North Korea suspending missle testing and closing nuclear site: Trump the statesman?"
with a Youtube posting titled:
Why North Korea Appears to Be Expanding Its Nuclear Arsenal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rb-eg9P-HAM


(I'm not in a faux news misinformation bubble, so I don't know the line: The Wall Street Journal. Are they leftist socialists?)
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That is an excellent video; well worth 7 minutes of my time.

Thanks, bobot!
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Very interesting and seemingly well-sourced video.

Some of the video, such as the possibility of the North having 20-60 nukes already, is speculative; however, it's within the realm of the possible for sure. It would make sense for North Korea to negotiate because a country like North Korea would want to be negotiating from a position of strength: giving up nuclear weapons was always a laughable idea because it gives up their strength. But even suspending weapons production is perhaps a risk North Korea can't afford to take.

If - and it's a big 'if' - North Korea does indeed have multiple warheads, then the last step is to develop reliable means of delivery to hit the US mainland. If that, in fact, happens, then there is really nothing that the US can do at this point since fighting North Korea would be mutually assured devastation.

But beyond the concern of a nuclearized North Korean peninsula, if it's true that North Korea can continue developing a nuclear weapons stockpile right under our noses while the president is chasing a foolish diplomacy based on nothing more than his admiration for dictators, Christ Almighty is this country inviting all kinds of danger. It would, to me, be a clear sign that the national security apparatus (Defense, State, et al) is rapidly corroding.
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So, let's recap.

Trump made zero real difference with North Korea.

They're still producing nukes.
They're still launching missiles into the sea.
They're still making belligerent threats.

There's no new agreements or treaties.
There are no ongoing negotiations.
There's no denuclearization happening.

Trump saluted a North Korean General.
Trump gave a sense of legitimacy to Kim Jong-Un.
Trump has even weighed just throwing in the towel and accepting a nuclear North Korea.

We still don't know what kind of money and concessions Trump gave to North Korea in exchange for talks. Because they've ALWAYS been paid for talks.

Trump, for all of his talk and his criticism of Obama, has produced zero actual results.


Just as I told you would happen at the beginning of this mess.
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Trump, for all of his talk and his criticism of Obama, has produced zero actual results.


Just as I told you would happen at the beginning of this mess.
It didn't take an oracle to figure that out. Remember the typical conservative take on all this from the beginning:

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Trump negotiates from strength. Maybe this will work out, perhaps it won't, but at least we are not giving North Korea 400+ Million in cash and freeing up accesses in the billions for them to use.

Donald tends to be bombastic in the early rounds of negotiation. He can tone it down or make concessions, but only if the other side is serious. It's up to one man to take the deal.
Everybody knew he'd fail, but it didn't matter because Obama. The GOP has successfully convinced its base that failures are actually victories because a failure is either:

1) No better than Obama, so who cares? At least Donald is out there throwing punches!
2) The opposite of Obama, whose successes were actually covert failures, so who cares? At least Trump isn't, you know, a fist-bumping, tan-suit-wearing, "Kenyan."
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Wasn't that fist bumping just in a cartoon? Do we have any photos of Barack and Michelle bumping fists? And yet it's canon.
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Wasn't that fist bumping just in a cartoon? Do we have any photos of Barack and Michelle bumping fists? And yet it's canon.
"Terrorist fist jab", I think you mean.

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"What happened to the old pat on the back?"
As the footage shows President Obama patting distinguished First Lady Michelle Obama on the back.
God, Faux news can take a flying fuck at a rolling dumpster fire.

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Back on topic, this is also going to be a problem for the US going forward, and it poses a potential danger that North Korea has been trying to exploit for years: hostility between Japan and South Korea (Japan and all of East Asia, really).

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...-idUSKCN1UL07N

On the surface, it looks like an economics or trade dispute, but it's really much deeper than that. For years, Koreans (and several other East Asian countries) have called on Japan to acknowledge its wartime past, which Japan has been of course reluctant to do. Last year, a South Korean court ordered a Japanese steel conglomerate with a role in the enslavement of Koreans during Japan's colonial period to pay reparations. This ruling has been further supported by South Korea's current ruling party, led by Moon, but it actually contravenes the 1965 agreement that Japan and S Korea agreed to as a means of reconciliation. At that time, Japan actually proposed some compensation, but instead the South Korean government said it would assume that responsibility and use funds from their settlement to help compensate victims and their families. Now South Korea is reversing itself.

But tensions between Japan may have also been heightened when Trump and South Korea met with Kim Jung Un and did so not only over the objections of Abe Shinzo, but ostensibly left him (and Japan) out of the diplomatic process. This despite the fact that it's Japan that has been repeatedly threatened most directly by the Kim regime. In short, the Kim regime, going back to Jung Un's father, Jong Il, has sought to use Japan as a wedge between South Korea and the United States, while also keeping in mind that Japan may ultimately decide to assert itself more independently, which is something that would be fiercely opposed by not only South Korea but also China, and even other Asian nations who remember Japan's past.

Going forward, expect this issue to be a factor.
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So, let's recap.

Trump made zero real difference with North Korea.

They're still producing nukes.
They're still launching missiles into the sea.
They're still making belligerent threats.

There's no new agreements or treaties.
There are no ongoing negotiations.
There's no denuclearization happening.

Trump saluted a North Korean General.
Trump gave a sense of legitimacy to Kim Jong-Un.
Trump has even weighed just throwing in the towel and accepting a nuclear North Korea.

We still don't know what kind of money and concessions Trump gave to North Korea in exchange for talks. Because they've ALWAYS been paid for talks.

Trump, for all of his talk and his criticism of Obama, has produced zero actual results.


Just as I told you would happen at the beginning of this mess.
This is only a problem is you are trying to prevent a war or hostilities. As it is quite obvious that the actual desire is to go to war, they are following a perfectly clear path to making that inevitable.

It would only be people against the idea of unnecessary wars that would see a fault in Trump's diplomatic strategies.
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NKorea lets a few more fly.
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Is that submarine deployed yet? If that thing can deliver nuclear missiles, we have a serious problem (even more serious that is). How long until it has an undefined accident at sea and sinks?
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Democratic POTUS candidates should change the topic of every question asked tonight to be about North Korea's new rocket system, their new ballistic missiles and their new submarines:
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North Korea said Thursday leader Kim Jong Un supervised test firings of a new multiple rocket launcher system he sees as soon serving a “main role” in his military’s land combat operations.

The report by North Korea’s official Korean Central News Agency on Thursday disputed the assessment by South Korea’s military, which had concluded Wednesday’s launches as two short-range ballistic missiles.
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KCNA said Kim expressed satisfaction over the test firings and said the newly developed rocket system would create an “inescapable distress to the forces becoming a fat target of the weapon.”

The agency provided no specific descriptions of how the “large-caliber multiple launch guided rocket system” performed during the launches, but said the tests confirmed the system’s technical characteristics and “combat effectiveness.”

South Korea’s Joint Chiefs of Staff said Wednesday that the weapons it then assessed as missiles flew about 250 kilometers (155 miles) at an apogee of 30 kilometers (19 miles).
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In a private briefing to lawmakers Wednesday, South Korean military intelligence officers said they’ve determined that the submarine likely has three launch tubes for missiles, according to Lee Hye-hoon, head of parliament’s intelligence committee. If confirmed, it would be North Korea’s first operational submarine with missile launch tubes, some experts said.

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NKorea shot missiles into the sea for a 3rd time this week. Trump is strangely silent.

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If NK doesn't get the attention it wants, then they'll escalate until he has no choice but to respond. Same with Iran.
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Relax, everybody: "I have no problem, we'll see what happens but short range (missiles) are very standard," Trump told reporters as he left the White House for a rally in Ohio.
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Relax, everybody: "I have no problem, we'll see what happens but short range (missiles) are very standard," Trump told reporters as he left the White House for a rally in Ohio.
Very comforting to the Japanese and South Koreans. Not to mention the 25,000 or so U.S. troops stationed in South Korea and another 56,000 in Japan.
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Very comforting to the Japanese and South Koreans. Not to mention the 25,000 or so U.S. troops stationed in South Korea and another 56,000 in Japan.
He prefers troops protecting our border rather than some foreign country that doesn't even speak English.
And I'm not even trying to be funny.

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The end game from the Sino-North Korean side is to convince South Korea and Japan that the US isn't needed for regional stability. If North Korea has nuclear stockpiles and can threaten South Korea and Japan with missile test after missile test, then that puts pressure on the US to do something. But what can the US do at that point? China and North Korea want to convince South Korea and Japan that hosting the US is more trouble than we're worth, and that we won't really protect them anyway. In short, paper tiger.
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Well yeah...they kind of are. I have no idea why folks are harping on this in this thread. Basically, this is artillery. This isn't anything like the ICBM's they WERE testing before. Most countries have this sort of artillery system, and most countries test it fairly often. I guess if you guys want to try and equate NK firing an MLRS type short range rocket system as equivalent to them firing ICBM test rockets over, oh, say Japan, well that's fine...but it makes you guys seem like you are reaching. And, frankly, a bit ignorant of what this is or means.

I have no doubt that, eventually, NK will get back to firing the big boys. IMHO, it's a matter of time. But pointing to them firing this does not equate to them going back to the antics they were doing before they suspended testing.
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Well yeah...they kind of are. I have no idea why folks are harping on this in this thread. Basically, this is artillery. This isn't anything like the ICBM's they WERE testing before. Most countries have this sort of artillery system, and most countries test it fairly often. I guess if you guys want to try and equate NK firing an MLRS type short range rocket system as equivalent to them firing ICBM test rockets over, oh, say Japan, well that's fine...but it makes you guys seem like you are reaching. And, frankly, a bit ignorant of what this is or means.
It's a good thing nobody has done that then; phew.
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I have no doubt that, eventually, NK will get back to firing the big boys. IMHO, it's a matter of time. But pointing to them firing this does not equate to them going back to the antics they were doing before they suspended testing.
Wow! Another thing that nobody has done! That's amazing!
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It's a good thing nobody has done that then; phew.
Wow! Another thing that nobody has done! That's amazing!
So, you had no point in bringing this up repeatedly then? Good to know! Thanks!
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So, you had no point in bringing this up repeatedly then? Good to know! Thanks!
That's it? That's the comeback you thought of and decided to post when called out on your strawmen: another strawman?

ETA: If you don't want to keep abreast of the NKorea news and developments, I'm sure you can find a way to do that.

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That's it? That's the comeback you thought of and decided to post when called out on your strawmen: another strawman?

ETA: If you don't want to keep abreast of the NKorea news and developments, I'm sure you can find a way to do that.
Except it's not a strawman. You continually brought it up because you thought it means something wrt your original OP. You thought it meant that Trumps plan failed because now, after several years, North Korea is once again testing...artillery. I can't decide if you are ignorant about what this stuff actually is, or manipulative, counting on the ignorance of others. I keep going back and forth on that one in this thread.

The real unfortunate think is you ARE right...eventually this is going to come back and bite Trump and the US on the ass. Eventually, North Korea WILL go back to actually testing REAL ICBMs (and nukes as well), not short range rocket artillery. But using this to keep your thread going is just silly. Come back when they actually start firing ICBM's in 'tests' over Japan. It's going to happen.

Or, keep breathlessly posting about North Korea testing short range rockets as if that means something. Your call. And, hell, your audience is breathless for your next post about meaningless stuff proving Trump is an idiot....as if at this point anyone needs that proof.
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Trump plays down latest North Korea missile tests:
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Trump tweeted that North Korea’s recent tests of short-range missiles weren’t part of the commitments he and Kim made at their historic June 2018 summit in Singapore , although he conceded they might be in violation of a U.N. resolution.

“There may be a United Nations violation, but Chairman Kim does not want to disappoint me with a violation of trust,” Trump tweeted. “There is far too much for North Korea to gain - the potential as a Country, under Kim Jong Un’s leadership, is unlimited.”

Trump said Kim can only achieve his “great and beautiful vision for his country” if he is the U.S. president.

“He will do the right thing because he is far too smart not to, and he does not want to disappoint his friend, President Trump!”
NKorea, meanwhile, stayed away from the Association of Southeast Asian Nations and thus shunned a meeting with the US Envoy to NKorea.

It's like they're eating out of Trump's hand!
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Eventually, North Korea WILL go back to actually testing REAL ICBMs (and nukes as well), not short range rocket artillery.
And why do you believe that North Korea will eventually go back to testing its more advanced weapons capabilities?
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Trump plays down latest North Korea missile tests:NKorea, meanwhile, stayed away from the Association of Southeast Asian Nations and thus shunned a meeting with the US Envoy to NKorea.

It's like they're eating out of Trump's hand!
I gotta wonder how Bolton is viewing his bosses fawning obsequiousness. Maybe something like this.
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Just to clarify a couple of things.

First, a missile is not a rocket, or artillery. Missiles have guidance capability, rockets and artillery do not.

And these are not simplistic "ballistic" guidance systems. Here is a short description, summarized from here:

"Trump calls the short-range missiles that North Korea has recently launched “very standard.” Experts say they are anything but: They warn that the solid-fueled, hypersonic KN-23 is hard to defend against because it’s launched from trucks and thus is highly mobile, and because it can cruise low and flexibly maneuver when it gets close to its intended target. The missile, according to defense analysts, seems similar to the cutting-edge Russian Iskander missile that U.S. analysts call “top of the line.” Although its capabilities aren’t fully known, it’s thought that it could possibly penetrate U.S. defense systems in South Korea."

Solid fueled, hypersonic, cruise-type guidance. These are sophisticated systems, not "artillery".

Can these missiles reach the US? No, they are short range. A missile doesn't have to be an ICBM to pose a threat to Americans, though.
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Thank you for helping to refute XT's nonsense, SingleMalt.

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Just to clarify a couple of things.

First, a missile is not a rocket, or artillery. Missiles have guidance capability, rockets and artillery do not.

And these are not simplistic "ballistic" guidance systems. Here is a short description, summarized from here:

"Trump calls the short-range missiles that North Korea has recently launched “very standard.” Experts say they are anything but: They warn that the solid-fueled, hypersonic KN-23 is hard to defend against because it’s launched from trucks and thus is highly mobile, and because it can cruise low and flexibly maneuver when it gets close to its intended target. The missile, according to defense analysts, seems similar to the cutting-edge Russian Iskander missile that U.S. analysts call “top of the line.” Although its capabilities aren’t fully known, it’s thought that it could possibly penetrate U.S. defense systems in South Korea."

Solid fueled, hypersonic, cruise-type guidance. These are sophisticated systems, not "artillery".

Can these missiles reach the US? No, they are short range. A missile doesn't have to be an ICBM to pose a threat to Americans, though.
Great post. Thanks for that!
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