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Old 06-19-2013, 12:22 PM
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Josh Duggar (Duggar kid 1/19) to be executive director of Family Research Council


Josh Duggar is taking a job as Executive Director of the Family Research Council's lobbying arm. They were much mentioned during the Chick Fil A fusterclucking and are notorious for producing and distributing "gays=pedophiles" literature.

Politics aside, does anybody know what his experience is? The best bio I can find of him is that he's a 25 year old guy from Arkansas who was homeschooled, has a GED, and has never completed as much as an Associates degree from an accredited college. While at least they're consistent with their aggressively anti-intellectual appeal, I'm curious how his credentials compare with directors of similarly funded groups.
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Old 06-19-2013, 12:28 PM
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All I know is that the DC gay media need to keep an eye on the Fruit Loop bars, because he'll probably be visiting them within 6 months of starting the job. That seems to be the trajectory for most of these kind of folks.

It's really a shame he's a phobe and (allegedly) straight...he's kind of cute.
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He'd be a fool to turn down the job: he's 25 with three kids to support, 18 more on the way, and no experience doing anything else other than being on a reality show about being Duggar Spawn (and shite- there's 18 more who are just as qualified at that as he is). I'm just surprised that such a light CV seemed appealing to FRC.

Countdown to the "The name of the club is BONDAGE and Mr. Duggar claims he only stepped in because he thought it was a museum about the Israelites sojourn in Egypt, though he neglects to say why he thought a museum was blaring dance music, was open at 2 a.m. on a Saturday, or why he was wearing a fake moustache and leather chaps" news item begins now.

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He's extremely conservative, he's fairly famous, and he's been observing his parents work over the media since he was a teenager. It seems like a shrewd move for the FRC, who will use him as a figurehead rather than brains.
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He's extremely conservative, he's fairly famous, and he's been observing his parents work over the media since he was a teenager. It seems like a shrewd move for the FRC, who will use him as a figurehead rather than brains.
Shrewd, but rather a slap in the face to more qualified and experienced candidates.

The latest episode of their reality program showed Josh and his wife looking at homes in Georgetown and acting shocked at the $2 million+ price tags. It was all very fake, as I'm sure the FRC will be helping them with the cost of a home and it will end up being out in the suburbs.
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The latest episode of their reality program showed Josh and his wife looking at homes in Georgetown and acting shocked at the $2 million+ price tags. It was all very fake, as I'm sure the FRC will be helping them with the cost of a home and it will end up being out in the suburbs.
I don't watch the show; did they go into the FRC's mission?
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It wouldn't surprise me if it turns out the Duggars' home life was actually more like this.

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Non-profits don't often shower the executive director in riches. I guess the FRC has money, but I wouldn't be surprised if his salary is a pretty modest professional salary - less than $100K.
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I guess the FRC has money, but I wouldn't be surprised if his salary is a pretty modest professional salary - less than $100K.
Making you wonder how, if the show wasn't completely staged, he would even get pre-approved to look at a $2 million house.

Is he the Duggar son that has had all of the "pings my gaydar" comments over the years?
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I don't watch the show; did they go into the FRC's mission?
No, so far they haven't even disclosed where he's working on the show. Although it's obvious they are very conservative, the family is very careful about not expressing any anti-gay beliefs on the show, and I don't expect that to change as it would open up a big can of worms for them.

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I seem to remember they loaded the kids in the 18 wheeler for a trip to the ridiculous Creation Science museum.
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Oh yeah, that was an interesting trip. They've talked about creationism and being pro-life and all that, but expressing anti-gay views is something they totally avoid. And yes, the law of averages probably means at least one of their kids is gay - not that they will ever be able to live out of the closet and be accepted by their family/community.

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I don't watch the show; did they go into the FRC's mission?
That would be biting the hand that feeds them. This is the same network that brings us Toddlers n Tiaras, Randy to the Rescue, Breaking Amish, the Virgin Diaries and My Teen is Pregnant and So Am I. You know, the Learning Channel.

TLC can only offend or pander to one demographic at a time.
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That would be biting the hand that feeds them. This is the same network that brings us Toddlers n Tiaras, Randy to the Rescue, Breaking Amish, the Virgin Diaries and My Teen is Pregnant and So Am I. You know, the Learning Channel.
They still do educational programming as well: Here Comes Honey Boo Boo. (I wonder how long before they make a dynastic marriage between one of the Duggar boys and one of the Boo-Boo daughters, one of whom is a proven breeder which should appeal to them. (I might be watching too much Game of Thrones.)

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Making you wonder how, if the show wasn't completely staged, he would even get pre-approved to look at a $2 million house.
Some realtors like to hold open houses regardless of the price tag.
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They still do educational programming as well: Here Comes Honey Boo Boo. (I wonder how long before they make a dynastic marriage between one of the Duggar boys and one of the Boo-Boo daughters, one of whom is a proven breeder which should appeal to them. (I might be watching too much Game of Thrones.)
Ooh! I can't wait for the Red(neck) Wedding!
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In Arkansas, Josh and his wife appear to live pretty modestly - a 2 bedroom house, shopping at thrift stores. His parents basically said when he got married that he was an adult now and it was his responsibility to make his own money and care for his family. He probably gets money from 19 Kids, but I wouldn't bet on it being a fortune. I'd imagine that the family considers the show a kind of ministry, although I'd bet Michelle Duggar (who is portrayed to be the smarter of the two parents) is a pretty good negotiator.

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Ooh! I can't wait for the Red(neck) Wedding!
There'd probably be a lot more yelling of "You missed one! She just crawled under the sofa!" than nice people had really ought to do.

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In Arkansas, Josh and his wife appear to live pretty modestly - a 2 bedroom house, shopping at thrift stores. His parents basically said when he got married that he was an adult now and it was his responsibility to make his own money and care for his family. He probably gets money from 19 Kids, but I wouldn't bet on it being a fortune. I'd imagine that the family considers the show a kind of ministry, although I'd bet Michelle Duggar (who is portrayed to be the smarter of the two parents) is a pretty good negotiator.
House HoneyBooBoo got around $60,000 for their first season (that's for the whole season, not per episode) and renegotiated to the low six figures for the second, which is what Jon & Kate were making at the height of their popularity, so the Duggars (Ma & Pa, not Josh) are probably in that low six-figure range. I wouldn't be surprised if the Duggars and Josh probably get as much if not more from speaking/personal appearances they get as a result of the show than from the show itself.

He'll probably work at FRC for a while, have his sex scandal, and then get enough from his "LOVE ME MOMMY AND PLUG UP YOUR UTERUS!" memoir to co-own the Waffle House he works out. If he doesn't, you know that one of those siblings is going to need money enough to write a memoir.
If their parents cleared $20,000 per month after taxes, I still don't know how they'd maintain basic needs and comfort and pay medical insurance and dental and set up college funds for all the kids. Of course I'm doubting they plan to send them through college (Josh hasn't gone after all).
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They are adamant about not giving their kids any education that might conflict with their religious beliefs. I know some of their fellow fundie families use an online program called CollegePlus, but whether it's accredited or comparable to any real college education is pretty doubtful.

Besides the income from the show, they own a lot of rental property and some other miscellaneous businesses like the used car lot Josh worked at. They are proud of having no debt, which is admirable but much easier to do when you have income from a reality show coming in.
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Isn't their youngest child (the one who was several weeks premature) special needs? If it weren't for public programs and the reality show, I'm guessing that would have ended the 'no debt' thing in and of itself.
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Making you wonder how, if the show wasn't completely staged, he would even get pre-approved to look at a $2 million house.

Is he the Duggar son that has had all of the "pings my gaydar" comments over the years?
They weren't pre-approved. They were, as Josh called it "house window shopping". Looking at houses from the outside and looking up the prices on his phone.
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...My sister was the first person I ever heard say, "You just know that at least one of those kids is going to be gay."
Yep, and that's going purely on the statistics. If certain theories about birth order and fluctuating hormone levels in the womb turn out to be true...

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They are adamant about not giving their kids any education that might conflict with their religious beliefs. I know some of their fellow fundie families use an online program called CollegePlus, but whether it's accredited or comparable to any real college education is pretty doubtful...
AFAIK none of the kids have even enrolled in a bible college (& there are some extremely conservative reactionary colleges for fundamentalist Christians of all strips in this country, with varying levels of accreditation). IIRC the older girls are studying to be lay midwives.
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Old 06-19-2013, 09:20 PM
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The Free Jingerites have been speculating about this for months now. Josh has no experience, no degree, no ability to keep his mouth from spouting the most ridiculous nonsense regarding pretty much anything outside of his barren Quiverfull upbringing, and has three children and an uneducated wife to support.

This is merely a publicity stunt by both the FRC and TLC AND Mommy and Daddy Duggar.

He'll be done there in a year, back home, back at "his" used car lot (at which is rarely is seen - it's patently obvious that Daddy JimBoob owns it and runs it), and writing his memoirs.
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Old 06-20-2013, 12:35 PM
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He's extremely conservative, he's fairly famous, and he's been observing his parents work over the media since he was a teenager. It seems like a shrewd move for the FRC, who will use him as a figurehead rather than brains.
Isn't ED normally a working position? A nonprofit's president will often be little more than a figurehead, but executive directors are meant to be real, day-to-day professional managers/lobbyists/fundraisers. My own experience is with smaller nonprofits, but the EDs have always been very much non-figureheads. Haven't always been good at their jobs, but they certainly did them.
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Up until a few months ago he had a used car lot in Springdale, Arkansas. Source: I drove by it every day to work. There was a large poster of him and his wife and kids on the outside wall.
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Somehow I keep hearing an Arkansan accented Fredo Corleone saying he's moving to Las Vegas and "gonna learn the casino business".

"I'm movin' to D.C., gonna learn the lobbyin' bidness."

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So given that a major part of the FRC's reason for existence is to prevent gay marriage, I wonder if today's rulings make his job that much easier or that much harder.
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The handwriting's on the wall as far as where things are headed, but since today's rulings did not make a sweeping redefinition of marriage, this will intensify the efforts of groups like the FRC. They may experience an increase in financial support, but lobbying Congress is only going to get more difficult from here on in.
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Duggar sibling sexually assaulted sisters, another female, according to police report

I hope that the atonement, rehabilitation, and the forgiveness is real. I'm trying not to judge the Duggar parents on how they handled this situation, cuz honestly I don't know what I would have done. On one hand, at least they didn't totally ignore it. But if the family friend hadn't gotten involved, I don't think they would have done more than give Josh a stern talking-to.
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I had always expected dirt to come out about that family...but nothing that bad! The comments on their Facebook page are insane...
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He'll probably work at FRC for a while, have his sex scandal, and then get enough from his "LOVE ME MOMMY AND PLUG UP YOUR UTERUS!" memoir to co-own the Waffle House he works out. If he doesn't, you know that one of those siblings is going to need money enough to write a memoir.


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You nailed it. Do you have some inside knowledge you'd like to share with us?

He's the Dian Fossey of Southern religious fanatics.

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They are adamant about not giving their kids any education that might conflict with their religious beliefs. I know some of their fellow fundie families use an online program called CollegePlus, but whether it's accredited or comparable to any real college education is pretty doubtful...
Interestingly Jessa's husband, Ben Seewald, just graduated from National Park Community College and Jill's husband Derrick Dillard is an alumnus from Oklahoma State University. So that's 2 sons-in-law with secular educations so far.

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Is he the Duggar son that has had all of the "pings my gaydar" comments over the years?
Lately Josiah's been pinging my gaydar. He just started a courtship and if I'm right I hope it doesn't end in marriage (admittedly it would make interesting TV).

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I hope that the atonement, rehabilitation, and the forgiveness is real. I'm trying not to judge the Duggar parents on how they handled this situation, cuz honestly I don't know what I would have done. On one hand, at least they didn't totally ignore it. But if the family friend hadn't gotten involved, I don't think they would have done more than give Josh a stern talking-to.
I suspect that to. I wonder how the show will handle this if FRC ffires asks for his resignation over this.
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Here's the statement released by the family on their Facebook:

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Back 12 years ago our family went through one of the most difficult times of our lives. When Josh was a young teenager, he made some very bad mistakes and we were shocked. We had tried to teach him right from wrong. That dark and difficult time caused us to seek God like never before. Even though we would never choose to go through something so terrible, each one of our family members drew closer to God. We pray that as people watch our lives they see that we are not a perfect family. We have challenges and struggles everyday. It is one of the reasons we treasure our faith so much because God’s kindness and goodness and forgiveness are extended to us — even though we are so undeserving. We hope somehow the story of our journey — the good times and the difficult times — cause you to see the kindness of God and learn that He can bring you through anything.

From Josh:

Twelve years ago, as a young teenager I acted inexcusably for which I am extremely sorry and deeply regret. I hurt others, including my family and close friends. I confessed this to my parents who took several steps to help me address the situation. We spoke with the authorities where I confessed my wrongdoing and my parents arranged for me and those affected by my actions to receive counseling. I understood that if I continued down this wrong road that I would end up ruining my life. I sought forgiveness from those I had wronged and asked Christ to forgive me and come into my life. I would do anything to go back to those teen years and take different actions. In my life today, I am so very thankful for God’s grace, mercy and redemption.

From Anna:

I can imagine the shock many of you are going through reading this. I remember feeling that same shock. It was not at the point of engagement, or after we were married - it was two years before Josh asked me to marry him. When my family and I first visited the Duggar Home, Josh shared his past teenage mistakes. I was surprised at his openness and humility and at the same time didn't know why he was sharing it. For Josh he wanted not just me but my parents to know who he really was -- even every difficult past mistakes. At that point and over the next two years, Josh shared how the counseling he received changed his life as he continued to do what he was taught. And when you, our sweet fans, first met me when Josh asked me to marry him... I was able to say, "Yes" knowing who Josh really is - someone who had gone down a wrong path and had humbled himself before God and those whom he had offended. Someone who had received the help needed to change the direction of his life and do what is right. I want to say thank you to those who took time over a decade ago to help Josh in a time of crisis. Your investment changed his life from going down the wrong path to doing what is right. If it weren't for your help I would not be here as his wife — celebrating 6 1/2 years of marriage to a man who knows how to be a gentleman and treat a girl right. Thank you to all of you who tirelessly work with children in crisis, you are changing lives and I am forever grateful for all of you.
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Stupid teenagers do stupid shit. Not condoning his behavior, and not saying I did anything like that when I was a kid, but dang I did some dumbass embarrassing shit when I was a teen.

I hope for his wife and kids' sake that this isn't some ongoing sexual thing with him, and I actually doubt it is. Like I said, stupid teenagers do stupid shit.
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Josh has already resigned from the FRC.

There were rumors for years about Josh doing something "inappropriate" as a teenager, but nobody knew the details or that his sisters were the victims. According to the police report, the Duggars only told church elders and dealt with it by sending Josh to a church camp. That's not rehabilitation IMO. Supposedly the police only got involved after someone from the Oprah Winfrey show tipped them off.

Wonder if TLC will cancel the show.
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I missed the edit window; It get's worse the cop fucking Jim Bob reported told to was a "family friend" who not neglected to report it to DHS, but is now severing a 56 year sentence for child pornography. Josh has resigned from the FRC. It'll be interesting to see how the show addresses this since it's gotten to big to ignore.
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Wonder if TLC will cancel the show.
We can only hope so. I would be so happy not to see an asshole Duggar breeder with a stupid grin at me when I'm trying to pay for my groceries. They suck. They're homophobic, sexist, backwards, uneducated, deeply fucking stupid useless, jackasses and lousy parents. They compare the holocaust to abortion, teach their brats creationism and very little else, tell their girls to be subservient to men and get away with pretending they're a nice normal family because the media has no fucking guts to point out who they really are. They are the fucking taliban sans burka and if they were black rather than white, they'd never have a television show at all.
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I'm not willing to look this up, because it's way too close for comfort, but my concern is that Josh and Anna are married long enough to have daughters only slightly younger than the sisters (and their friend) he molested as a teen.

I truly hope someone is watching out for those girls, and any nieces and remaining sisters he has that around that age.
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Stupid teenagers do stupid shit.
Full disclaimer: I have never watched a second of the Duggars TV show. All I know is that they breed like rabbits and are deeply religious.

But you've hit on the problem I have with reality TV shows focused on families with children. Kids do stupid things. Most of us may not have sexually abused our siblings, but we all did stupid shit growing up. Fortunately for the majority of us, we didn't have a TV crew following us around to document it. And we don't have to worry about dirty laundry like this coming out and ruining our lives well into adulthood. What happened in adolescence should stay in adolescence, but that doesn't happen if you are on a TV show.

The Duggar kids didn't ask for celebrity, and now they're paying the costs. Maybe it's only fair that they suffer a little seeing as how they've benefited from it? I don't know.
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I'm not willing to look this up, because it's way too close for comfort, but my concern is that Josh and Anna are married long enough to have daughters only slightly younger than the sisters (and their friend) he molested as a teen.

I truly hope someone is watching out for those girls, and any nieces and remaining sisters he has that around that age.
No where does it detail the ages of the victims, so we don't know if they were around his age or young children. He was 14 when it occurred.
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This is well outside the category of "kids doing stupid things." He wasn't a 3-year-old playing doctor. Josh was old enough to know right from wrong. He molested several of his sisters, some of them while they were sleeping. His sisters may claim to have forgiven him, but I can't imagine the pain and fear of having to live in the same house with him.

The Duggar parents share some of the blame for creating an environment of intense sexual repression. These kids aren't allowed to masturbate or look at scantily-clad women, and they are taught that having sexual urges towards anyone besides your spouse is evil.
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No where does it detail the ages of the victims, so we don't know if they were around his age or young children. He was 14 when it occurred.
I don't even follow the show that closely, but it's trivially easy to look at the ages in relation to what we know of the siblings birth order and spacing between ages. They'd have been between 8 and 12.
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I missed the edit window; It get's worse the cop fucking Jim Bob reported told to was a "family friend" who not neglected to report it to DHS, but is now severing a 56 year sentence for child pornography. Josh has resigned from the FRC. It'll be interesting to see how the show addresses this since it's gotten to big to ignore.


Talk about the punishment fitting the crime.
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Stupid teenagers do stupid shit. Not condoning his behavior, and not saying I did anything like that when I was a kid, but dang I did some dumbass embarrassing shit when I was a teen.

I hope for his wife and kids' sake that this isn't some ongoing sexual thing with him, and I actually doubt it is. Like I said, stupid teenagers do stupid shit.

He sexually abused his sisters while they were sleeping. That's not "teenagers doing stupid things". It's sexual abuse.

If you read the police report it says that the victims were the children of JimBob and Michelle Duggar.

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They still do educational programming as well: Here Comes Honey Boo Boo. (I wonder how long before they make a dynastic marriage between one of the Duggar boys and one of the Boo-Boo daughters, one of whom is a proven breeder which should appeal to them.
They could name the spin-off Here Comes Another Illiterate Redneck Baby.
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Well, when you set up your family's social milieu using "Flowers In The Attic" as a model...
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The worst part is that JimBob and J'chelle believe that if a woman is sexually assaulted it's her fault for stirring up desires in the male. I can fully believe that they would have blamed their daughters for all of this. They are truly sickening people.

How long until TLC cancels the show and the gravy train is over? Right his moment TLC is airing a rerun of an interview with the family by Erica Hill.

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The worst part is that JimBob and J'chelle believe that if a woman is sexually assaulted it's her fault for stirring up desires in the male.
They do? Cite?
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