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Was he ever an NFL head coach? In any case, he's the only reason I can't jump on the Browns turnaround wagon. He's a despicable thing masquerading as a human being and shouldn't be allowed to be in the league, even as a consessions cashier.
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Williams? He was HC in Buffalo a couple of seasons in the early 00's, IIRC. It did not go well, but, to be fair, it's Buffalo; HC gigs rarely go well for anyone not named Marv Levy there.
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Williams? He was HC in Buffalo a couple of seasons in the early 00's, IIRC. It did not go well, but, to be fair, it's Buffalo; HC gigs rarely go well for anyone not named Marv Levy there.
Yup, that was his only previous head coaching gig, from 2001-2003. His overall record there was 17-31, though he did get the Bills to 8-8 in 2002.
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Old 10-29-2018, 03:42 PM
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Williams? He was HC in Buffalo a couple of seasons in the early 00's, IIRC. It did not go well, but, to be fair, it's Buffalo; HC gigs rarely go well for anyone not named Marv Levy there.
Good thing he’s not in Buffalo, but in Cleveland where HC careers thrive.
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Old 10-29-2018, 05:11 PM
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In a truly unusual move from Cleveland, it took them a mere 8 games to realize what it took Pittsburgh 85 games to figure out: Todd Haley sucks. He’s a garbage person who endlessly wastes the talent he’s given. Half a season of HaleyBall and they had enough. I wish Pittsburgh had done the same before they wasted so much talent for so long.

As for Hue, it’s too bad, he seems a nice guy, but that doesn’t win games.
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Old 10-29-2018, 05:16 PM
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A team that went 1-31 in the last two seasons that now has two wins, a tie and four overtime games out of 7 total games this season isn't a mark of a coach losing the locker room or the team giving up. Quite the contrary, in fact.

If the Browns fire Jackson now, it would be extremely bizarre.
well we get to see how this pans out...….is any of the understaff a point of inspiration?
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As for Hue, it’s too bad, he seems a nice guy, but that doesn’t win games.
That’s what Jeff Fisher’s problem was too. Everyone loved him and nobody ever had anything bad to say about him but he just couldn’t win. The Rams ditched him and their first season without him they won the division, second season without him and they’re the best team in football.

Too bad Sean McVay can’t be head coach of two teams at once.
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Fact of the day: no team in the last 40 years has had a +11 turnover ratio and a losing record.
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Old 10-30-2018, 02:01 AM
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The timing of the firings is quite odd. The Browns are up for getting an ass pounding next week against KC, then they have their bye.

Why hire an interim coach just to take that beating, when you could let the current coach take the beating (and then fire them in the wake of it) and then give the new interim coach the bye week to prepare?
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Old 10-30-2018, 02:36 AM
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If you know you're going to fire the coach, why keep him around any longer than absolutely necessary?
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Old 10-30-2018, 10:10 AM
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The timing of the firings is quite odd. The Browns are up for getting an ass pounding next week against KC, then they have their bye.

Why hire an interim coach just to take that beating, when you could let the current coach take the beating (and then fire them in the wake of it) and then give the new interim coach the bye week to prepare?
Makes sense to do it now. New coach has an excuse for taking a beating, let the media distractions die down a little over the bye week so everyone's not spending that time answering questions about the transition.
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Also, if the team happens to play well or even win against KC, it would be pretty weird to then fire the coach.
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Old 10-30-2018, 01:03 PM
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The Browns improvement is a testament to just how influential a good quarterback is to the success of a team in the modern NFL. Now that they have that key component, the Browns can build around it and make even more improvements in a relatively short period of time.

They've gone from being horrid to being competitive in a single season. I'd praise the coach for that, not fire him. They didn't really expect to go from 0-16 to 11-5 in one season, did they?
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Old 10-30-2018, 01:15 PM
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They've gone from being horrid to being competitive in a single season. I'd praise the coach for that, not fire him. They didn't really expect to go from 0-16 to 11-5 in one season, did they?
True, but it works the other way, too. Hue Jackson took Mike Pettine's 3-13 team and went 1-15, then 0-16. It took Jackson two and a half seasons to win as many games as his predecessor won in one season. He took a low bar, and lowered it. That deserves firing.
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Old 10-30-2018, 02:21 PM
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True, but it works the other way, too. Hue Jackson took Mike Pettine's 3-13 team and went 1-15, then 0-16. It took Jackson two and a half seasons to win as many games as his predecessor won in one season. He took a low bar, and lowered it. That deserves firing.
I agree. Hue needed to go and so did Haley. I do agree with Jasmine’s first point though, that a good QB is very important and that the Browns can potentially end their time at the bottom if they can build around him. And he’s probably a big reason they’re actually winning any games this year.

What I worry about though is that the Browns’ problem hasn’t just been bad coaches and mediocre-to-bad QBs. Their head office is a joke (remember the AJ McCarron trade that failed because they couldn’t file paperwork on time?). They do have a new GM (John Dorsey) so maybe the problem has been the Haslams as owners?
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The AJ McCarron thing was a deliberate sabotage by Sashi Brown on the way out, to which we owe him thanks.
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Old 10-30-2018, 08:41 PM
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Getting to this late, I saw the news from the airport on Monday and haven't read much on the rumors and reasons for this, but it has the hallmarks of a shitty power struggle that ended in everyone getting fired for even being a part of it. Seems like Haley was undercutting Hue and might have been angling for an interim HC title, which when exposed made Haley look like an insubordinate jackhole but also made Hue look like the hapless buffoon he is. Dorsey just said fuck it, you're both gone.

What I thought was funny is that the news picked up the story of Haley getting fired like 15 minutes before Hue's new dropping. That makes it seem like someone wanted to make it VERY clear that Haley was fired, and not that he simply got canned along with Hue as part of a package deal. These were 2 separate firings for separate reasons.

Gregg Williams coming out the back end smelling like roses has to be one of the biggest upsets of all time.
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Old 10-31-2018, 01:43 AM
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The AJ McCarron thing was a deliberate sabotage by Sashi Brown on the way out, to which we owe him thanks.
Maybe so, but you missed out on his wife's hotness plus AJ's Bengals legendary play.
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Old 10-31-2018, 02:24 AM
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Gregg Williams coming out the back end smelling like roses has to be one of the biggest upsets of all time.
Am I the only one irrationally upset by this?

Also, when is the bandwagon going to stop turning around? I'm dizzy.
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I do like the idea that Hue and Haley had a power struggle and somehow they both lost.
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Old 11-11-2018, 06:27 PM
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Well that was really good to see. Seems like the team was invigorated and the playcalling was pretty creative. The game wasn't even as close as the score. If they come out of the bye firing on all cylinders like that it would reflect really badly on the previous coaching.
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Isn't Gregg Williams the coach while with the Saints got suspended for a year and heavily fined for orchestrating the "headhunting bandwagon"?
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Old 11-12-2018, 12:10 AM
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Isn't Gregg Williams the coach while with the Saints got suspended for a year and heavily fined for orchestrating the "headhunting bandwagon"?
Payton and Williams were both suspended. Williams' suspension was indefinite, though only lasted one season because he said "pretty please".
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If this is anything other than a story ripped from the Onion, I think the NFL should seriously consider revoking Cleveland's franchise.

Sorry, Cleveland. The experiment failed. These "Browns" aren't a real football team. Start over with a new franchise and new ownership.
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Old 11-18-2018, 12:03 PM
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It's a great idea. And while you're at it, why not hire Oprah to be defensive coordinator?

It'd be cheaper though to borrow Bill Veeck's idea and have grandstand managers run the team (with a simple cellphone app, plays could be voted on and quickly dispatched to field level, then relayed to the quarterback or defensive leader(s)). They could hardly do worse than Hue Jackson.
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Heard two plausible-ish theories about this one.

They want her as some sort of team executive manager sort, but it's easy to get her in there as a head coach interview and satisfies the Rooney rule if they already know who their guy is.

Or they leaked a bunch of different, out-there stories about who they were thinking about as a way of figuring out who is leaking to the press.
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I like both those theories. Well, I don't "like" circumvention of the Rooney rule, but you know what I mean.
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I drank too much whiskey last night and seriously thought I was still intoxicated while reading the Rice story. It made the Washington Post!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...=.12397027b56a
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I think she's fully qualified for a front office position. A head coaching interview would be a stoopid stunt.
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Denial of Rice thing

I think this may have been some sort of bye week trolling by John Dorsey to entertain himself.
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I think she's fully qualified for a front office position. A head coaching interview would be a stoopid stunt.
I was thinking the same thing. She has administrative experience in college sports but coaching is another matter.
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Old 11-25-2018, 02:29 PM
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I know it’s just the Bungles, but 28-0 is a monster score for the Browns right now.
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They certainly did prove that the Bengals weren't going to continue the streak, even by hiring the Browns' former coach.
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They've been talking about hiring Condi as the NFL commish for years and years. And she's a Browns fan. It's a natural fit.
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Well that was really good to see. Seems like the team was invigorated and the playcalling was pretty creative. The game wasn't even as close as the score. If they come out of the bye firing on all cylinders like that it would reflect really badly on the previous coaching.
I think what you said here has gone a long way to being proved. Especially with their old HC a member of the coaching staff of the other team.
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Two touchdowns from Nick Chubb. This, folks, is why I was so delighted to when the Browns drafted him; I’ve even watching him for four years at Georgia, and knew what a playmaker he is.

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The Browns have some good young talent. With the right coaching I could see them having a winning season next year and maybe a playoff appearance in a year or two if they build around Mayfield and Chubb.
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Seems to me the Browns really only need a couple more weapons for Mayfield to throw to...a true legit #1 WR and maybe a badass TE. Is their oline any good since Thomas retired?
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Interior is fine, tackles need work although have been improved lately.

I wonder if they could get a legit #1 WR by not trading him for scraps a couple of months ago.
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Seems to me the Browns really only need a couple more weapons for Mayfield to throw to...a true legit #1 WR and maybe a badass TE. Is their oline any good since Thomas retired?
Njoku is infuriatingly inconsistent so far, but he shows flashes of true brilliance. If I were in charge I'd stand pat at TE next year and reassess during the 2020 draft.
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Old 11-27-2018, 06:31 PM
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Interior is fine, tackles need work although have been improved lately.

I wonder if they could get a legit #1 WR by not trading him for scraps a couple of months ago.
Well, yeah. I know you didn't like trading Gordon away. And of course, it isn't like elite WR talent like the very best have grows on trees. Which of course is why they put up with him for so long.

That whole thing did seem odd, timing-wise. You put up with all of that only to trade him for a bag of snowglobes and footballs now? Makes me wonder if the stories about Gordon being habitually late to meetings or not bothering to show up are true.
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And that is why I love AJ Green. Other than the blowup with Jalen Ramsey, he's been nothing but the consummate professional. And he's consistently very, very good, and doesn't celebrate. A quick shoulder shake is usually all the emotion you get out of that guy.
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Apparently Baker Mayfield has free reign to say dumb things, because he's The Man, and Browns' offensive coordinator Freddie Kitchens "has his back".

Freddie, this song's for you.
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Well, it was a long shot to run the table and have a shot at the playoffs.

After Mayfield had a poor first half, he responded by going 350 yards on 24-30 in the second half, which is promising in terms of mental fortitude and correcting your own mistakes.
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Old 12-03-2018, 10:44 AM
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Don't be so down. The Browns still have a good shot at finishing 3rd in the division. My team just blows donkey dorks.
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Hmm... McCarthy is now unemployed, do you think he could take over the reins for the Browns?
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Hmm... McCarthy is now unemployed, do you think he could take over the reins for the Browns?
Hey, don't take my head coach! Here, have Hue Jackson back!


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Hmm... McCarthy is now unemployed, do you think he could take over the reins for the Browns?
Not that I generally put much (if any) stock in what the talking heads on NFL pre-game and post-game shows say, but that was the topic of conversation on the Fox post-game show last night, which went to air just as the McCarthy news broke.

They pointed out that Dorsey had been in the Packers' front office (Director of College Scouting, then Director of Football Operations) for much of McCarthy's time in Green Bay. I have no idea how close the two of them actually are, however.
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Would you actually want him? Reportedly, Rodgers can't stand him. That's not a good sign that he's the guy you want to be in charge of your new franchise QB in Cleveland.
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