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Australia 1964: please welcome Four Strangers [crowd probably starts shouting 'fuck off', throwing cans].

After rebadging themselves as The Strangers, then the Sunsets, they became Taman Shud in 1967 [crowd now listens respectfully to important prog rock-surf-blues band].

Just looking at the Wikipedia page for Australian prog rock there is only one 'The ..' band among about two dozen. Nearly all formed around 1970-75, so whoever does end up being the ur-band in this thread definitely started something.
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Not mentioned yet: Traffic formed in 1967.


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Even though it's not actually a valid response to the OP, I would just like to give a brief shout out to The The.
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What about that band from 1954 Bill Haley And His Comets.
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What about that band from 1954 Bill Haley And His Comets.
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..I should have also excluded bands that were (or included) people's names. I was really looking for that weird (for the time) concept of a band adopting a singular, non-sequitor-ish concept as their name, e.g. Them, Cream, etc.

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Not to mention that "his" is an article.
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Ladysmith Black Mambazo-1960
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The name came from 1969. They seem to have had some names before, but how much can you count those?
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Ladysmith Black Mambazo-1960
Rare Earth-1960
Rare Earths name came from 1968.

LBM is a true example from 1964, (It had an articled name apparently before) but it's another culture, language, and continent. There's that.

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Ramones?
Too late (1974) and does not conform. It's a family name (even though it was made up) and even though sometimes styled as Ramones, usually seen as The Ramones.
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Not to mention that "his" is an article.
No; his is a possessive pronoun. In English there are only three articles: the (definite), and a and an (indefinite).

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No; his is a possessive pronoun. In English there are only three articles: the (definite), and a and an (indefinite).
Hm. To me the article is implied I suppose. It doesn't fit the way I understand the OP. "His" stands right in the place of "The" and is a substitute for it. Most popular references were to "The Comets" IIRC, at least I have never heard of "Bill Haley and Comets."

Chuck Berry records were sometimes credited to CB "and his combo."
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Too late (1974) and does not conform. It's a family name (even though it was made up) and even though sometimes styled as Ramones, usually seen as The Ramones.
Ramones shows famously began with the phrase "WE ARE THE RAMONES!"
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Hm. To me the article is implied I suppose. It doesn't fit the way I understand the OP. "His" stands right in the place of "The" and is a substitute for it. Most popular references were to "The Comets" IIRC, at least I have never heard of "Bill Haley and Comets."

Chuck Berry records were sometimes credited to CB "and his combo."
I'm not debating whether if fits the OP, just stating the grammatical facts.
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Jethro Tull (and predecessor band McGregor's Engine, 67)
Creedence CR (67)
Moby Grape, Buffalo Springfield (66)
Big Brother and The Holding Company (65)
Canned Heat (65)
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Don Henley famously insisted that his band was called Eagles. Not The Eagles. Just Eagles.
That then brings up Scorpions. Everybody says "The" Scorpions, but it's actually just "Scorpions", no "the".

Formed 1965 (though their first album wasn't until 1972).

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I thought it might be Golden Earring, 1961. But researching it, I see the started as The Golden Earrings, dropping "The" in 1967 and the S in 1969.
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All the early rock bands had names following the same rubric: The (insert plural of something). The Crickets, the Beach Boys, the Beatles, etc.

The Who sort of broke this mold with its pronoun. (Must have seemed crazy radical at the time.) But by the late 60s, you had band names that completely escaped it: Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, etc.

So what was the first band with a non-"the" name?
Is the question limited to rock bands? Is it limited to ones from English-speaking countries? I am sure there are plenty of non-English bands that don't use the English "the" in their names, and there may even be some that don't use a local word that is more or less equivalent to "the". Even the Soviet Union had rock bands in the early 1960s, and many of the languages spoken there (most notably Russian) don't even have articles, definite or otherwise.
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Mountain (69)
Jethro Tull (and predecessor band McGregor's Engine, 67)
Creedence CR (67)
Moby Grape, Buffalo Springfield (66)
Big Brother and The Holding Company (65)
Canned Heat (65)

Also Jethro Tull are a name, like Alice Cooper

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Thanks, everyone -- I was offline all weekend and I can't believe how much debate this silly question generated! Based on first released recordings, the winners (sa far) seem to be:

International:
  • Ladysmith Black Mambazo (64)
  • Them (64)

US: Canned Heat (65)
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Even though it's not actually a valid response to the OP, I would just like to give a brief shout out to The The.
I was wondering when someone would bring them up!

(Not Them, just them.)
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Thanks, everyone -- I was offline all weekend and I can't believe how much debate this silly question generated! Based on first released recordings, the winners (sa far) seem to be:

International:
  • Ladysmith Black Mambazo (64)
  • Them (64)

US: Canned Heat (65)
Downliners Sect also had their first releases (an LP, and EP, and a single) in 1964.
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Sounds Incorporated (1961)
probably best known in the US for 1965 "In The Hall Of The Mountain King."
There's also the similarly named Blues Incorporated, whose first single was (I think) released in 1959. They were never really popular as a band, but were influential on rock musicians.
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I guess I don't need to finish that sentence.
I thought I was the only one who knew this. I always call them, "The Pink Floyd" just to be a dick.

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Even Yes was called "the Yes" during their first few years. Weird.
I had never heard this. Interesting.
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With bands that are in my frame of reference, it seems like 1965 was the year the name improvising really took off thanks in no small part to the psychedelic scene. To add a couple more, Love (Arthur Lee's band) and Quicksilver Messenger Service also formed in '65.

Herman's Hermits is an interesting example, as I think of that as pretty calculated, formulaic music. When I was a kid and would hear their name, I could never make it out. It sounded like a fragment of a tongue twister. Apparently the origin of the name briefly was Herman & His Hermits - technically that counts too?
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"Girls of the Golden West" was a country group formed in 1933. They were fairly popular in the 30's and 40's.
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Downliners Sect also had their first releases (an LP, and EP, and a single) in 1964.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downliners_Sect

If you look they don't really qualify. They are even more connected to their article than the ramones or the MC5. Look at the title of the debut LP.

Although I do have a feeling that getting pedantic and detailed using wikipedia may not lead to Truth.

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With bands that are in my frame of reference, it seems like 1965 was the year the name improvising really took off thanks in no small part to the psychedelic scene. To add a couple more, Love (Arthur Lee's band) and Quicksilver Messenger Service also formed in '65.

Herman's Hermits is an interesting example, as I think of that as pretty calculated, formulaic music. When I was a kid and would hear their name, I could never make it out. It sounded like a fragment of a tongue twister. Apparently the origin of the name briefly was Herman & His Hermits - technically that counts too?
Love is a great example that I forgot. They were the most pain in the ass of them all because you always had to say "Arthur Lee and..." so that you wouldn't have to repeat stuff while people didn't grok it.
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I've raised this question many times over the years.

I think (and have always thought) without question that the legitimate answer to this question is Them.

This is particularly so if you consider bands only from the point that they had a legitimate record release and became widely known.
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Chad and Jeremy had a hit in 1960.
No, they did not. Their first hit was "Yesterday's Gone," which reached #37 on the British charts in 1963 and #21 on the US Billboard Hot 100 in 1964.

They're not germane to this thread anyway, but I still had to correct the misinformation.
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If you look they don't really qualify. They are even more connected to their article than the ramones or the MC5. Look at the title of the debut LP.
I don't get it. They are billed on their debut LP as "Downliners Sect", not "The Downliners Sect". Ditto for their debut single and their debut EP.
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Tangentially, a couple of band names without any "the"—but to which people keep prefixing an illicit "the":
Talking Heads
Indigo Girls
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Tangentially, a couple of band names without any "the"—but to which people keep prefixing an illicit "the":
Talking Heads
Indigo Girls
Savages is a modern band with the same issue. Ferocious all-female trio, btw.
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Tangentially, a couple of band names without any "the"—but to which people keep prefixing an illicit "the":
Talking Heads
Indigo Girls
[my bold]

At least they made it clear once and for all with their album "The Name Of The Band Is Talking Heads".
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I don't get it. They are billed on their debut LP as "Downliners Sect", not "The Downliners Sect". Ditto for their debut single and their debut EP.
This is why I thought Wikipedia may not solve everything. They refer to themselves as "the sect" in every single one of their LP titles. And most of the footnotes and cites have "The" in them. Looks like most of them per wiki. They were very much calling themselves "The sect"
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*C'mon, doesn't it make a part of your brain ache to say "Motor City Five" mentally without putting a "The" in front of it? Maybe that was the point. I'm not sure.
The one that really bothered me was Carpenters. And that wasn't even a band name; it was just their joint last name.
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Eli's Chosen Six, 1950s

But yeah, I was surprised to see how ubiquitous the "The [Adjective] [Nouns]" nomenclature was for musical groups of all kinds before the 1960s.
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... So did Pink Floyd and Buffalo Springfield, although none of those names makes any more sense with "the" than they do without...
Correct name of Pink Floyd is "The Pink Floyd Sound"
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Wasn’t Pink Floyd supposed to be the name of a dildo or something? If so, ‘the’ would be fine.
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Wasn’t Pink Floyd supposed to be the name of a dildo or something? If so, ‘the’ would be fine.
No.
Quoth the wiki: "Barrett created the name on the spur of the moment when he discovered that another band, also called the Tea Set, were to perform at one of their gigs. The name is derived from the given names of two blues musicians whose Piedmont blues records Barrett had in his collection, Pink Anderson and Floyd Council."

I find it -disturbing- that the first thing through your mind is a dildo. Freudian slips can be quite revealing!
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If Big Bands count, Wikipedia has a list that goes back a century with plenty of names without "The": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_big_bands Nighthawks Orchestra did hot jazz in 1919, precursor of R&R in some way: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nighthawks_Orchestra and there are many more.
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That's gotta be it.

I wonder how people reacted. "What, is it 'The Creams'?" Clapton being a known quantity must have helped.
I once heard an interview with Jimi Hendrix where he referred to them as "The Cream".
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Wasn’t Pink Floyd supposed to be the name of a dildo or something? If so, ‘the’ would be fine.
You're probably thinking of how The Steely Dan got their name.
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You're probably thinking of how The Steely Dan got their name.
That's correct -- it's from a William Burroughs novel.
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If Big Bands count, Wikipedia has a list that goes back a century with plenty of names without "The": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_big_bands Nighthawks Orchestra did hot jazz in 1919, precursor of R&R in some way: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nighthawks_Orchestra and there are many more.
I just have to say that ever since I started collecting MP3s I ignore the word "The" in the artists name, with only a few exceptions. I would think that lists of bands on the net may be doing that too. They are alphabetical in some way. They are explaining the connect between a number of related names.

Also posessives kind of take the place of the indefinite article, to me.
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On a related note, I've noticed that Sirius XM sometimes displays the band names without the "The", even if they are definitely a part of the band name, like "The Who". But it's inconsistent, even with that band.

On another related, more grammatical note, there's the issue that something the "the" in the band's name gets treated as semi-optional when it would lead to constructions like "The 'The Beatles' Channel". It makes sense to use just one "the" and let it be ambiguous as to which "the" is being removed.
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If Big Bands count, Wikipedia has a list that goes back a century with plenty of names without "The": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_big_bands Nighthawks Orchestra did hot jazz in 1919, precursor of R&R in some way: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nighthawks_Orchestra and there are many more.
Also I just realized that they don't list any "The..." names under "T" except for one that is a T initialed name after "The." It's a list with the Thes edited out.
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