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Old 06-19-2019, 10:32 AM
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Which hit single was most dependent on a sample?


A month or two ago a decades old legal row was resolved when Mick Jagger and Keith Richards signed over all their publishing for Bitter Sweet Symphony to Richard Ashcroft. Up until that point the song was credited to Jagger/Richards for use of a sample from Andrew Oldham Orchestra's version of The Last Time in a song which was otherwise created by Ashcroft/The Verve.

Bittersweet Symphony - The Verve
The Last Time - Andrew Oldham Orchestra (sampled)

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation, there is no doubt that the sample is a significant part of the song. Which got me thinking - which hit single (or for that matter, I guess, non-hit) was most dependent on a sample?

This is the other example that springs immediately to my mind:

Rockafeller Skank - Fatboy Slim
Sliced Tomatoes - The Just Brothers (sampled)

So: what others do we have? (A link to song and sample for each example would be nice.)

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Old 06-19-2019, 10:37 AM
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Ice, Ice Baby.
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Old 06-19-2019, 10:48 AM
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I was going to come in here to mention "Bittersweet Symphony", only to see that OP already took care of it. So I'll go with:

Gangsta's Paradise - Coolio
Pastime Paradise - Stevie Wonder (sample)
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Old 06-19-2019, 10:56 AM
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Two that come to mind:


Forget-Me-Nots/Men in Black.



Pure Energy. (Clip of Spock.)
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Old 06-19-2019, 11:00 AM
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Personally, I don't think Bittersweet Symphony would be an example, it is lyrically a very well written song that would have been a hit if acapella, or with totally different music, ala Gary Jules' Mad World.
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All Summer Long - Kid Rock
Werewolves of London - Warren Zevon
Sweet Home Alabama - Lynyrd Skynyrd
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Old 06-19-2019, 11:15 AM
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I would say a 100-way tie with almost every one-off rap song in the 80's and 90's? It Takes Two- Rob Base, Knockin' Boots- Candyman, Cantaloop- Us3, Rebirth of Slick- Digable Planets, etc. etc. and dozens of others that take a well known quality song and hook and pair it with limp lyrics- like taking the Mona Lisa, adding some houses in the background and calling it your own.

Maybe the best example would be Pump up the Volume By MARRS, which I believe has no original content at all and like 100 samples, but at least there is creativity at work here.
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"Rapper's Delight", which sampled Chic's "Good Times".

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Ice, Ice Baby.
Wasn't that closer to a straight ripoff, not a sample? The hook from "Under Pressure" wasn't taken directly from the original recording, and her tried to add a note or something to claim it wasn't the same.

"Can't Touch This" is my vote.
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I'm just astonished that dude from Verve won a songwriting award. Man, what will they think of next?
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Wasn't that closer to a straight ripoff, not a sample?
Is there a difference?
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Wasn't that closer to a straight ripoff, not a sample? The hook from "Under Pressure" wasn't taken directly from the original recording, and her tried to add a note or something to claim it wasn't the same.

"Can't Touch This" is my vote.
"Can't Touch This" would be my second choice.
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Personally, I don't think Bittersweet Symphony would be an example, it is lyrically a very well written song that would have been a hit if acapella, or with totally different music, ala Gary Jules' Mad World.
Personal opinion #1: I disagree, I think the sampling makes the song.

Personal opinion #2: I'm having so much fun learning new things in this thread that I kinda wish the question asked was not "which hit single was most dependent on a sample?" but simply "which hit single used which sample?". Maybe the thread will go that way anyways.
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How soon we forget Jive Bunny and the Mastermixers:
https://youtu.be/aoi5sVsJqCY
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Personal opinion #1: I disagree, I think the sampling makes the song.

Personal opinion #2: I'm having so much fun learning new things in this thread that I kinda wish the question asked was not "which hit single was most dependent on a sample?" but simply "which hit single used which sample?". Maybe the thread will go that way anyways.
The orchestral backing is definitely a huge part of the song, but I think with a little work they could have come up with a similar track that would have been almost as good, and not gotten 100% (!) of their royalties taking away for twenty years

BTW, youtube is of course an excellent source for everything, but especially for this- tons of best samples, worst samples, songs you didn't know were samples, etc.

One of my fav rarities, the famous opening from Bust a Move is from the song Found A Child from the criminally unknown band Ballin' Jack:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2sQ5AReoVg
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All Summer Long - Kid Rock
Werewolves of London - Warren Zevon
Sweet Home Alabama - Lynyrd Skynyrd
You missed the obvious Kid Rock sing though...

"American Bad Ass" - Kid Rock
"Sad but True" - Metallica

He basically just raps over the Metallica riffs and song structure.
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You can (or better, could, nobody except superstars like Kanye West today have the means to clear all their samples) be so very creative using samples (just listen to the Beastie Boys' and the Dust Brother's "Paul's Boutique", an album consisting of hundreds of samples so cleverly compiled and composed into something new that it has a natural flow). But when someone just uses the whole instrumental backing of a song and lays over new lyrics/rapping, that's just lazy. Prominent examples:

I'll Be Missing You - Puff Daddy (the Police's Every Breath You Take)

Come With Me - Puff Daddy (Led Zep's Kashmir)
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House of Pain's "Jump Around" is built around three samples:
- The opening horn fanfare is sampled from Bob & Earl's "Harlem Shuffle"
- The melody is built around a sample of Chubby Checker's "Popeye the Hitchhiker"
- The squealing horn in the verses is likely a sample, though from where is subject to debate. The most likely sources appear to be either Junior Walker & the All Stars' "Shoot Your Shot," or Prince's "Gett Off," and members of House of Pain appear to have given conflicting answers to the question. (If the source is Prince, it's not a horn at all, but Prince's voice.)

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He basically just raps over the Metallica riffs and song structure.
Was that a hit, though?
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Was that a hit, though?
While American Badass was only a minor rock radio hit, it was the lead (only new?) single from the 2 million selling Kid Rock compilation release and pretty much inescapable if you listened to rock music circa 2000.
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The aforementioned "I'll Be Missing You" and "U Can't Touch This" are two of the biggest hits that come to mind for me.

And I agree that samples can be wonderful and creative af (I think "Jump Around" is a creative mix), but those two examples strike me as quite lazy.
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Tone Loc's Wild Thing rests heavily on the sampled Alex Van Halen drum roll riff.
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What was the Beastie Boys song that ripped off Zeppelin's, "The Ocean"?
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Personal opinion #1: I disagree, I think the sampling makes the song.

Personal opinion #2: I'm having so much fun learning new things in this thread that I kinda wish the question asked was not "which hit single was most dependent on a sample?" but simply "which hit single used which sample?". Maybe the thread will go that way anyways.
Go try out WhoSampled.com
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What was the Beastie Boys song that ripped off Zeppelin's, "The Ocean"?
She's Crafty. The Beasties had a soft spot for Led Zep.

ETA: Not mentioned in the article: The drum lead into What Comes Round is from Moby Dick. Not that Led Zep ever ripped somebody off....
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<snip> Not that Led Zep ever ripped somebody off.... <snip>
Heaven forfend.

Did the Beasties' "You Gotta Fight (For Your Right)" or "Girls" have sampling in them?
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Winner and still champion even after 60 years: The Flying Saucer. It samples from 17 songs of the time, and reached number 3. Without the sampling, the song does not exist.

Here's the song.
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^ Oh, no! that's Dickie Goodman, who had some hits in the early '70s (like "Mr. Jaws") using the same technique.

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Symphonies - Dan Black / Kid Cudi samples the soundtrack to the film "Starman".
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Winner and still champion even after 60 years: The Flying Saucer. It samples from 17 songs of the time, and reached number 3. Without the sampling, the song does not exist.

Here's the song.
I wouldn't call that sampling tho - not in the same sense as the aforementioned IceIceBaby and others that try and 'hide' the samples as their own -
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I wouldn't call that sampling tho - not in the same sense as the aforementioned IceIceBaby and others that try and 'hide' the samples as their own -
1) As mentioned, Ice Ice Baby's riff is not a sample, it's a plain ripoff of Under Pressure, but one that was played 'fresh'.

2) 'Sample' does not mean 'ripoff'.
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Just FYI: If we're talking hip-hop, be aware that almost 100% of every hip-hop song ever produced is built on one of just ten major "break beats": https://www.whosampled.com/news/2010...s-of-all-time/
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Pretty much everything from WIll Smith.

Not just the aforementioned MiB, but also Wild Wild West and more.

Does anyone remember that song that was almost a beat-for-beat ripoff of "Ignition", but didn't sample it. All it did was mirror the tone almost exactly.
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Sample also doesn't have to mean "another song".

Me So Horney - 2 Live Crew

Joker and Rafterman meet a prostitute - Full Metal Jacket
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I don’t think the EMF song unbelievable would have been much of a song without the Andrew Dice Clay samples.
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