Is Librarian a profession that is viable?

I think I’ve used viable correctly here. I have a B.A. in English(minor in History) and am certified to teach. I’m required to take further educatino classes to maintain my certification(I’m in Michigan).

I’ve been having a hard time getting a job in teaching; I’ve been in China teaching for a couple years. I’ve been casually considering changing careers to librarian. I’m not dead-set against teaching, but wouldn’t mind keeping my options open.

Is Librarian an okay career? Are jobs available? What are the advantages and disadvantages? I am a man and(sorry for the stereotype) I will need to provide for my family with this career. My wife and I are willing to eke out a living for a few years(she works full-time) until I have a masters if we need to, but I don’t want to do it if it doesn’t pay adequetely .

We will eventually have children and she will take time off to raise them.

Anyway, let me go over teacher salaries in Michigan. They range from $32,000-$75,000 ove ten years of experience. Can a library position provide a similar salary to you knowledge? I saw on a website that the median salary for a Librarian is around $44,000. I couldn’t find the average teacher salary.

Anyway, I’m just looking for advice from people. Thanks!

IAMNALibrarian, but I had dinner with one, and the impression I get is that it is hard work, and does not pay that well, but it is a damn sight better than being a teacher.

I can probably put you inn touch with her, if you like.

I play racquetball with a librarian every week. He certainly thinks he can make a go of it. The problem is that a lot of towns have had to cut back on their budgets, and the libraries are among the first services to go. (Our town’s almost lost its accreditation.)

Also, there’s a difference between public libraries and, say, law or medical libraries. I don’t know what the difference is in salary or the like, but I know the work that I do in the local hospital’s medical library seems a far sight less stressful than dealing with the sort of stuff I see the local public librarians deal with.

I work with several librarians, and my understanding is that, unless you actually have a library degree or some educational grounding in that field, it will be very difficult for you to find a library job (especially one that pays well). It can be quite a competitive profession and not something that you can expect to casually segue into with a basic liberal arts degree.

It’s a different story if you get a specialized Masters. A lot of it depends where you live–the closer you are to Universities, well-funded public facilities, private foundations, and corporate libraries, the better your odds are of finding something, though I don’t know if you’d be able to support a family single-handedly without quite a few years of “paying your dues” first.

You will need a Masters Degree in Library Science if you hope to get even a basic administrative position, and you’re probably looking at a PhD if you want to be an actual “Librarian.” Their salaries range well into six figures.

I was talking about getting my Masters in Library Sciences. That’s a given. When I say “eke” out a living, I meant while i get that masters. After I get my masters, I’d like to become a librarian.

I am a librarian.

I have a master’s degree in information science - typically this is what you need for a position as a librarian. The Ph.D. comes in when you’re looking to teach at a library school or (in some cases) be a library director. The job isn’t easy and the pay isn’t anything fantastic. I chuckled when I read VCO3 comment about six figures. I’m about $70,000 away from that.

I work long days sometimes. I’m in an academic library and our crunch time of the semester is slowing - there were points that we had 25 instruction sessions scheduled in a week. We teach, but not necessarily for-credit classes. I’m talking about the one-shot “this is how you use the library” sessions or “these are what you can use to do your business (or science or whatever discipline) research. And here’s how you use them.” Some universities are involved in the curriculum to the point that the librarians teach a for-credit library class. Some have faculty status and are tenure track, with all that involves. Some places, they’re not.

That said, I love what I do. I had a previous career (corporate audit) in which I was miserable. I wake up and look forward to going to work in the morning - I never know what type of questions or students I’ll have on a given day. I might spend part of the day working on web pages. I might run around helping accounting students find the stuff they need for their tax class. I might crawl around on the floor dealing with computer wires.

The job outlook - well, it depends on what type of library you’re looking at going into and location. Some states need library media specialists in their public schools - and if you’re already certified to teach, that would help with that a lot. You’ll see some organizations (like ALA) say that the job outlook is rosy because there are all these upcoming retirements. That’s not necessarily true. But there are recent graduates who say that there are no jobs out there. That’s not necessarily true either. I graduated in May 2004 and started this job in September. I had several friends who had jobs lined up before graduation. I have one who just got a job this summer - and they all graduated with me.

One of the most important things, if you decide to do this, is to make sure the program you go to to get your master’s is ALA accredited. There’s a directory on the site that lets you find them, including some programs that are entirely online. The other thing that’s equally important is to get whatever experience you can in a library while you’re in school. Without that, it’s much more difficult to find a job.

Feel free to e-mail me if you have other questions.

My sister is currently a teacher and is now starting classes again, most likely going to get her masters toward being a librarian. She is having a hard time finding a teaching job here (in Michigan, actually) and so is currently teaching in the Dominican Republic. She started working at local public libraries when she was in high school and now she comes home for the summer and works in the library when she is here, as a page so she is familiar with the system.

From what I know from talking to her, she is much more likely to make a better living as a librarian and have a better chance at finding a job than as a teacher. She is an elementary ed. teacher, I don’t know what you teach, and of course it depends on private vs. public schools and such.

Your teaching salary range sounds generous. I have several family members and a few close friends who are teachers, and from what I hear the lower end of that scale is more normal, but of course my friends are still within their first 5 years of teaching. Michigan is known for paying teachers a little better than some other states though, so you could do worse than teaching in Michigan. Of course if you plan to work a summer job you can add to your salary that way too.

There is a lot of competition in the West Michigan area for teaching jobs, I don’t know what it is like for library positions. My sister seems to think she would have an easier time getting a job as a librarian, but she already knows people in the system and has some experience so that gives her an edge.

Oh, and for salary ranges, check the Occupational Outlook Handbook for librarians and teachers.

Both my parents are librarians. They make decent salaries—they don’t tell me what they make, but I’m pretty sure my father makes six figures. But he’s in an administrative position at one of the biggest libraries in the country, so don’t think that’s common :). Both my parents have masters degrees in Library Science. You’ll need one of those to be anything but a page. My dad has a BA in English; I think that’s pretty common degree for librarians to have. I’ve heard the job market isn’t great, though.

I am also a librarian.

I started in my local public library with a master’s degree in English, making $7 an hour (part-time, 20 hours/week). Seven years and many patrons later, I had also gotten my master’s degree in library and information science from the University of Illinois and was making $10.50 an hour (part-time, 20 hours/week). No paid time off, no benefits.

I’ve had an opportunity to hire into full-time positions post-graduation. The highest-paying one, a position as assistant director of a local public library, would have paid me around $40-45,000. A full-time info literacy/instruction librarian position at the local community college would have paid about $35,000. FWIW, I live and work in central Illinois.

Since my kids are still in elementary school, I chose a part-time academic librarian position at a community college. The pay started at $12.75/hour; I now make $13 after about five months. I won’t get another raise for a year, though. In terms of benefits, I’ll be getting some state retirement, which I have to pay into but my employer matches to some degree. No health or other benefits.

I see librarianship as a difficult career for the main/solo breadwinner. Librarian salaries, for the average joe/jane, aren’t terribly adequate to support one person, let alone a family of four or similar. If you work your way into administration or something, that’s different, but if you prefer non-admin work, you’ll probably be paid relatively poorly, unless you manage to snag a really good position. Understand this varies by region and library type; law librarians, particularly those with their JDs, might have six-figure salaries. Your typical reference librarian in a public library does not and will not make that kind of money.

There’s a growing trend in libraries to try and replace MLS librarians, who are more expensive, with part-timers and/or folks who have no library degree. This is particularly rampant in public libraries, but is starting to infiltrate the academics, too. Typically, the non-MLS academic librarian might have a subject Ph.D.

I love certain parts of my job. I love helping people find the information they need, connecting them with medical info, facts for papers, or even the name of an author I know they’ll enjoy. I like looking up really hard questions for my patrons, whether on the Internet or in a book. I love the many types of questions I get in a day and the dozens of ways to help people. I love the look on people’s faces when it dawns on them that I know what they need, and that I will gladly teach them how to get that info so they can do it for themselves later. I love it when little kids greet me with joy and respect because I’m the librarian, and “librarians know everything!”

I hate certain parts of my job, too. I hate being chronically underpaid and, by the general public, undervalued as they ask why they need someone with a degree to do my job, since “all you do is sit around reading books all day, right?” I hate it when my students leave their research until the last minute and then yell at me because I can’t find 37 full-text articles on Fournier’s gangrene in our college’s library databases. I hate cleaning up pee and dead ducks in the shrubbery at the public library, and I hate getting the security guard to throw out the drunks from the academic library. Most of all, I hate the concept still widespread among libraries that we shouldn’t complain, that we should just accept that there isn’t enough in the budget and that we must work for less money than we deserve because it’s a noble thing to do. Sure, it’s noble, but you can’t eat that or feed it to your kids. And I’m pretty sure it’s not going to be a comfort when I can’t afford to retire.

In re job outlook: truthfully, I think it’s very mixed. We’ve heard many reports about how there’s going to be a huge wave of retirements, so in theory there should be tons of jobs opening up as all the baby boomers leave promptly at age 65. I’m skeptical because most librarians I’ve met never intend to retire. This is partly because of their mindset (I’m going to work until I drop dead at my desk), and partly because they’ve never been paid enough to amass a decent retirement fund, so they have to work until they’re dead. :wink:

I see lots of towns closing their public libraries or underfunding them until hours and staffing are cut. I see people thinking Google can do the same thing for them that a librarian can. Although I know this isn’t true, we as a profession haven’t successfully spread that message, and I don’t know that we’ll be able to do so. Even school libraries are being closed and cut, and academics are letting positions decrease via attrition or part-time hiring. Heck, I’m one of those part-timers myself. So I’m not sure the job outlook for librarians is as rosy as some have painted. But there will probably be a few jobs out there, particularly for those who leave library school with some real-life work experience.

All in all, I love being a librarian, despite the minuses. But unless you’re sure librarianship is for you, I wouldn’t recommend you take it up, given your circumstances. The money would probably be inadequate to your needs, and you’d have a hard slog through grad school before you’d start to see even a $35,000 full-timer’s salary. That’s not much to raise a family on. Meanwhile, the library job market could go either way, and you might end up doing part-time work and getting really screwed on the deal. Given the minuses, this isn’t a job just to get you by; you have to love it in spite of all the problems.

Good luck with whatever you decide. Since there are so many part-time jobs available, why not see if you can nab a part-time position at a public library to try on the profession? Many public libraries allow their part-timers to work a pretty minimal schedule – say, an evening a week or something – and that would give you a good feel for what to expect.

Sorry for the soapbox,

Mrs. Furthur

I have a girlfriend with an MLS. After she graduated she held three jobs for a year to make ends meet. After three years one of her library jobs (two of those, one other job) was able to bring her on full time. She doesn’t make much, but can support herself on one job. Its also nights and weekends.

This is Minnesota. Library jobs are tough here since we have I think two schools for an MLS - and generally people don’t leave.

Oh, public library system.

My SO is a librarian. She’s happy with her pay and benefits. You obviously need an MLIS if you want to make any kind of a living. You can make pretty decent money if you’re good with software, databases, “virtual” collections, Internet black magic, etc. Best money appears to be behind the scenes, working with the technology and fighting with the tech vendors, not out on the floor working with the public. But there’s pretty big stress back there too.

My SO has a background in software, so she’s a valuable resource at her library, where many librarians got into the field simply because they liked books and reading and were capable of sweating out the IT aspect of the MLIS. If you hate technology, software and the like, you might still make a decent living as a librarian, but you’ll be cutting yourself off from one of the growing and highest paid parts of the profession.

This thread has been insightful for me, especially because I started a similar one a couple weeks ago that didn’t garner as many responses. I am hoping to get accepted into an MLS program and start in January, perhaps to become a law librarian.

Another of my friends used to be a librarian at MIT. Now shes at Harvard. She’s done pretty well, obviously.

I’m seeing my other friend tonight. I’ll have to ask him what his opinion is.

This is my dream–and I hope to see it thru.

I need three more years of nursing and then I will be able to apply for the MLS at UofI’s LEAP program.
I am a bit startled by the low salaries–I think librarians are very necessary. As a nurse, I make in the $28-32/hr range with bennys–and I am part time.

I hear ya on the “you should do this because it’s noble and worthy–you shouldn’t be in this for the money” bit–nursing has been told that since it’s beginning. :rolleyes:
I do find it somewhat concerning that the funding is so tied to public coffers, so to speak. That is very worrisome to me.

I am not a librarian, but I am a clerk in a library. I work for the federal government (the Canadian military). My degree is in anthropology, but I happened to work at a library while I was in university. That experience led me, after some intervening years working construction and call centres, to my current position.

There are library-type positions available in most large corporations and government agencies (in Canada, at least. I assume it’s the same elsewhere.) The pay is not bad (35K/year to start) - not construction wages, but better than call centre work. The main thing is, though, the work is great (for me.) I like information: books, manuals, maps, diagrams, whatever.

It’s not the most stable job in the world, and I fully expect to be laid off at some time in the future, but it’s great fun. I highly recommend getting the library science degree. It’s something I’m now trying to arrange through distance education.

Good luck.

Ook ooook.

I swear on all that I hold dear that I have read this thread title every time as Is Lesbian a profession that is viable?.

That’s all I wanted to say.