It ain't just the Appalachians, bub...

Per Cecil’s article inbreeding is not just to be found in the Appalachians. When living in California, a family friend who worked in public health along the central coast mentioned having to deal “inbred” sorts of people in a remote part of SLO county. The clan, which sort of isolated itself from outsiders for 60 to 70 years was paying for it genetically in terms of mental retardation and other genetically based problems.

While living in eastern Tennessee, though, some stereotypes are still horrifying real. I heard one case (through an abuse specialist) who was dealing with the “sins of the father” involving a male subject that had incestuous relations with the daughter, granddaughter, and great granddaughter. I was too grossed out to ask for more details about what happened to the minion of Satan.

Supposedly, the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints members are dangerously inbred, but the cult is so whacked out, that it’s hard to know if the tales are true or merely ULs.

In the 1980s, Science Digest did an article about a place called “The Ridge” which was an impoverished community somewhere in Appalachia (the article didn’t give any specifics exactly where it was located, I suspect that it might have been close to Knoxville, TN, but don’t know for sure) that had multi-generational inbreeding to the point that many of the children were barely human. The author described people who were literally chained to chairs and locked in closets because of how horrifyingly deformed they were.

It should be noted that “Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints” is the actual name of a specific group founded in 1935. There are somewhere around 5,000-12,000 of them, and they (illegally) practice polygyny.

There is a small community in Nova Scotia, Canada, named River John that has similar problems. At one time a government study was done to determine relationships and potential associated health care costs. I understand the community is about 1,200 people and the older family names barely branch. I’ve been there on several occasions and sometimes you meet people that are a little wierd, but so far no signs of really outstanding anomalies. At least on the street anyway.
It wasn’t that long ago when small rural communities were isolated geographically. Around here, paved roads became the norm only after the second world war. During the winter and spring, roads were impassable and helped define the limits of the available gene pool. Scary, or laughable, depending on your disposition.(or genetics)

You need to consider that the following added to the perceived higher rates of genetic defects in some populations.

  1. Bad diet.
    a. They didn’t know about some important dietary requirements.
    b. They didn’t have a choice of what to eat, thus eating one food only.
  2. Many more diseases that they couldn’t prevent.

The government implemented a lot of programs to stop much of this.

  1. Required iodine in salt.
  2. Started school lunch programs.
  3. Educated housewives that certain foods would prevent some nasty human conditions. They included radio cooking spots and health workers going door to door.
  4. They held clinics in public buildings to inoculate entire towns.

I’ll stop here.

Having just finished reading the book titled Poverty In The Land of Opportunity, a socio-anthropological study of poverty in the southern states of the US (think Katrina fallout here), I would like to suggest that perhaps these ‘mentally deficient’ people the army discovered among the so-called inbred population were actually caused by chronic malnutrition among children raised in poverty.

Among other things, some of the college students who were sent to work with the poverty-stricken individuals were given an amount of money to live and eat on (so they could better understand the people they were dealing with). They found that within days they began to feel the effects, both mental and physical, of trying to survive on what they could afford - mostly cheap carbohydrates. I imagine most of us have known someone who has tried living on ramen noodles and $.25 boxes of mac-and-cheese. Malnutrition can happen very rapidly. Imagine trying to grow up that way?

I did several Google searches around your post out of morbid curiosity, but came up empty. Probably just as well.

I seem to recall reading a piece written by Ernie Pyle around 1940 that purported to describe such a “creature,” again, a child in an isolated rural place, whom Pyle referred to only as “it.”

I wish I could find some untouched color photos of the “blue Fugates”. That’s intriguing. I remember reading about an African tribe that practices inbreeding in part to keep alive the members who have extra phalanges.

One thing that may throw some people off or contribute to rumors of inbreeding could be the incredibly complex relationships caused not my inbreeding but by intermarriage. My maternal grandfather’s family lived in the Appalachian foothills of
central Alabama and their surnames and genealogies get very confusing very quickly but, until midway through the 20th century, didn’t actually involve inbreeding. There was a migration over a decade of about 100 people of British, Huguenot, and strangely enough Swiss stock who settled the area from Georgia and the Carolinas who moved into the area during and after the removal of the Creek Indians. They had thousands and thousands of descendants and the genealogies require a machete to get through.

Example: One of the original settlers was my ancestor George D. (1790-1862), who became a very wealthy landowner (estate valued at a not-too-shabby $60,000 [not including slaves] in the 1860 census). George D. had several [consecutive] wives. By his first wife, who was part Creek, he had a son who produced his granddaughter, Paralee D., born in 1840 when her grandfather was about 50. By his much younger last wife, Carrie, he had several children, including a daughter named Peggy D., born ca. 1858 when her father was in his late 60s.

Granddaughter Paralee married farmer John R. at the dawn of the Civil War and had several children. She died young and her husband remarried, this time to Peggy, who though 18 years younger than her predecessor was also the first wife’s [half] aunt. There were many children by this marriage as well, making the children of John R.'s first marriage the half-siblings and the cousins of the children from his second marriage.

Meanwhile: George D. died early in the Civil War. Within 16 months of his death his widow, Carrie, had remarried (this time to a man much closer to her own age) and given birth to J.H.G., the first of her children with her new husband. J.H.G. fell in love with (or at least impregnated and married, in that order) Katie, the daughter of John R. and his first wife Paralee. Now, while J.H.G. and Katie were no relation by blood, they were uncle/aunt by marriage (Katie’s stepmother being J.H.G.'s half-sister), and their (15) children were related several different ways to the children of John R. & Becky.

The woman that my grandfather (a son of J.H.G. and Katie) referred to as “Grandma Peggy” was simultaneously his:

1- step-grandmother (she was married to his biological maternal grandfather)
2- half-aunt (she was the half-sister of his father)
3- his great-great aunt (she was the daughter of his great-great-grandfather)

And her children, of whom there were many, were his aunts/uncles (because they were his mother’s half-siblings) and his first-cousins (because they were his father’s nephews/nieces) as well as more distant cousins.

As I’ve mentioned in other threads, this was a mild case of confusing genealogy. One of Grandma Peggy’s sons, Reuben, married as his second wife the sister of his daughter-in-law, causing all kinds of odd relations, while another of Grandma Peggy’s sons, Dothan (?), married as his second wife the daughter of a family friend who had already married Dothan’s daughter, making his son-in-law his father-in-law, his own daughter his [step] mother-in-law and his children by his second wife the aunts/uncles and the nephews/nieces of his grandchildren. While this last one was effed-up genealogy pay dirt, no actual inbreeding was involved, but it would sure as hell sound like it to an outsider.

Point: Extremely complex and interwoven genealogies were very frequent occurrences when there was a limited genetic pool, and while it wasn’t necessarily inbreeding it would sure sound like it to an outsider. The elders of the families kept up with the genealogies not for the reasons that many bored blue hairs of today do, but for the practical reason of explicity preventing inbreeding (“Let’s see boy, you wanna go with Carrie Ann- now your Mama is a Herndon, and her mama was a Beauchamp, and Carrie Ann’s mama was a DuChamp, and Old Man Duchamp was her granddaddy and he was married to a Herndon, but… that was his second wife, her grandmama was a Haardst… you alright then…”.)

The problem came in the 1940s and 1950s when some cousins did marry. They weren’t first cousins, they were in fact third cousins, and their parents tried hard to prevent the marriages, but third-cousin marriages are legal in every state and generally they’re not even that dangerous (you could conceivably marry your third cousin and never know you were related, particularly if it was matrilineal and you didn’t know the “fallen off” family surnames well). However, the problem was that because of the complex genealogies, they were third cousins several different ways as well as fourth and fifth cousins, etc., and because back in the 18th century there really had been some first cousin marriages in the family (extremely common, especially among the wealthier classes) that added ammo, and basically a trap that had been winding up for over a century was sprung and a particular type of rare lung affliction that would ordinarily have occurred once in a generation attacked from several sides and caused the deaths of several children in one decade (and health problems for the surviving kids). It was because of this that the hill communities put an unofficial ban on the intermarriages of certain families- if a Golson wanted to marry a Hayden, they had to cross into a county in a different part of the state where nobody knew them because no minister or J.P. would marry them in their own county or the surrounding ones, and though they didn’t know the word most likely there was literally a tribal move to exogamy- “Marry somebody who ain’t from around here, who’s got a last name we ain’t heard before”. This was one reason my mother married my father- he was from a different part of the state and his surname and those of his mother and grandmothers weren’t to be found on the family trees (my mother fell in love with a cousin who had her last name when she was about 14, and even though they were only distantly related [about fourth or fifth cousins] the fact they had the same surname and were related on other sides as earned parental disapproval on both sides, then she began dating an Italian from NYC who was stationed at an AFB in Montgomery and that was frowned on because he was a Yankee and- gasp- a Catholic, so even though my mother was only 15 and her new boyfriend was almost twice that AND her high school teacher to boot the fact he was Protestant, Alabamian, and no known relation all led her family and the community to give their immediate blessings and that’s how I got my particular parents.

Who were married several years before they realized they were cousins, but that’s another story.

Sorry, I got off on a tangent, but the point is that inbreeding and intermarriage are two different things and the latter occurs far more often than the former but closely resembles it to some researchers. And that’s why I’m not good at math.

Info on the Kingston clan, a group of fundamentalist mormons.

That’s just disturbing.

I think we once had a really interesting thread on our encounters with inbreeding, but it was lost in the Winter of Missed Content. Anyone remember that?