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Old 12-11-2012, 07:23 PM
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Testicle questions (serious question about pain)

I picked up my daughter today using the hand-under-each-armpit technique. This was to catch her before she got too far up the staircase, as it was time for dinner and she was making a dash upstairs for more playtime.

When i picked her up, i held her out initially at arms length, as she immmediately began to furiously swing her legs back and forth in a pseudo kicking motion. It is best described as a knee-locked, running-in-mid-air motion. (i hope that is visually descriptive enough).

Anyway, as i turned her away from the stairs, i must have bent my arms, allowing for her little heel of her swinging left foot to connect dead on with my left testicle. The only things between her heel and my tesricle was her thin sock, my sweatpants, and boxer briefs. Needless to say, after somehow putting her down on her two feet without dropping her on my way down to the floor, i continued my fall for a ten count. I was hurting. She connected straight on. Almost felt like someone threw a fastball straight at my left testicle, and hit it flush.

As i lay on the floor in a heap of pain, thoughts began. Mammalian testicles were the subject of my thoughts...,

Here are my questions summarized:

1). Do all male mammals with testicles dangling outside of their own body, feel pain when the testicles are smacked?

2). For an example, picture an unneutered dog in your neighborhood, or perhaps a male lion on one of those nature shows, with the testicles dangling prominently between the animals hindquarters... Is this a point of pain for all animals in the same way as it is for humans?

3). If not, why not?

4). If so, do male animals in fights ever go for their opponents testicles? In all the nature shows I've ever seen, I've never seen it, but you would think that a kick or bite to a lion's groin area would immobolize the animal fairly quickly. I would think it would be a great way to stop an attack of a larger animal.

5). So assuming for a moment that human males have the most sensitive (in terms of pain) testicular region, why? What could be the evolutionary benefits for having sensitive-to-pain testicles? I would think that having testicles with little to no pain associated with them would be a GOOD thing.

6). Has there been any research in this area, and has anyone specifically looked at primates to see if they have a similar reaction to being hit in the testicles?

7.) one final, strange question. Would someone suffering from paralysis still feel pain in the testicular region, or would that be shut down to sensation? I remember seeing a program where a guy with two paralyzed legs could get an erection and ejaculate, which i didn't exactly understand. Is this something that is controlled ultimately by the mind? Even if a paraplegic could get an erection, wouldnt he need to feel stimulation to ejaculate?

Thanks for your time. If after reading this you have questions of your own, feel free to ask them as part of the thread. But i would ask if you would number your questions starting with 7, as i left off at number 6. Also, since i have so many questions, if it's possible to put the question's number before your answer, i'd greatly appreciate it.

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Old 12-11-2012, 07:48 PM
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I will blend several of your numbered questions, and hopefully give you some info as to your questions.

The nerves that serve the testicles originate at a spinal cord level that does pelvic structures such as the ovaries. In fact, at a very basic level testes are basically modified ovaries, They of course descend from the abdominal cavity into the scrotum, carrying the nerves and blood vessels that served them in their development in the abdomen. So a pain in the 'nads is felt primarily in the lower abdomen.

While I don't have a lion or pit bull around to kick in the nuts, the development and descent of the testes are the same as in humans. So my educated guess is that it would hurt.
Don''t know if it would be enough to make the animal release its bite (I doubt it).

Humans not only have the nerve connections to have pain from trauma to the testes, but also the knowledge of what damage to those organs might entail in the future.

I expect that the pain we feel is good in an evolutionary sense, since if a pain in the scrotum felt like a hit on the arm or leg, we could ignore it and continue our activities....and never father offspring.

Sorry for not answering your question directly.

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Old 12-11-2012, 07:58 PM
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It is exactly the same for lions.

Gazelles just haven't evolved to the point yet to figure this out.
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Old 12-11-2012, 08:06 PM
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I have two testicle questions, but I don't think they warrant their own thread so I'll throw them in here.

1) Sometimes when I lie down in bed I get a weird aching feeling in my scrotum, almost like they are being pulled out of place. Gravity I guess, but does anyone else get this?

2) (I may have asked this on here before but can't remember) If I'm quite drunk - not quite at the "room spinning" stage but getting there - I often feel a weird "plunging" sensation in my knackers. Kind of like when you go over a hump-backed bridge in a car, you know? It is most noticeable if I'm sitting down. What might cause that? (Edit, I have asked this before but got no serious replies.)

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Old 12-11-2012, 08:10 PM
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I would agree with sunstone in regards to humans having knowledge of what damage is inflicted with 'nad bashing. I would think that animals tend to strike at vital areas out of instinct. Defensive flailing, however, has surely hit the mark at some point in time.

I hope the results of your daughter's defensive flailing are quick to heal!!
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Old 12-11-2012, 08:10 PM
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Evolutionary Speculation here: Perhaps, as a way to demonstrate the ultimate importance of properly functional testicles, the gods of evolution made testicles extraordinarily sensitive as a means of encouraging testicle tenderness and care.
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Old 12-11-2012, 08:12 PM
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Testicles have to hang outside our body to allow for cooler temperatures optimal for sperm production. Since there are obvious disadvantages to having your reproductive organs dangling around instead of safely tucked inside you, we need to be extra sure that we're protective of them. The intense pain of getting hit in the nads is your evolution's way of saying "Be careful with these things, you clumsy idiot!"

I suspect most animals have a similar response for the same reason.
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Old 12-11-2012, 08:18 PM
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Sorry for not answering your question directly.
No problem. I thought with so many quesrions, the answers would start to confuse folks, but i had no trouble following your narrative.

If others choose to answer without the numbers next to an answer, that's fine.

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It is exactly the same for lions.
If this is true, this vexes me. I'm truly vexed.

I watched an Animal Planet offering this weekend, and it showed lions killing cheetahs. I won't go into how the lion was able to catch the cheetah in the first place, but the cheetah, once it knew it was compromised, could have taken a swipe or two at the testicles of the lion. Since cheetah claws don't retract, i would imagine even a glancing blow would cause severe discomfort, while a direct hit could slice the scrotum open. That is one bad ass lion to maintain an attack through that kind of trauma.

If a lion attacked a human, and the human had his wits about him, grabbing and or kicking the testicles might stop the attack? Or maybe it would just piss off the lion amd he'd snap your windpipe faster?

How do you know it is the same for lions? (i personally believe that it should be, but how do you know for sure?)

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Old 12-11-2012, 08:51 PM
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Re question #4, most accounts I've read of chimpanzee attacks describe chimps going for a male victim's testicles, in addition to biting fingers off and gouging eyes out. ::shudder:: (Why anyone thinks chimpanzees are cute and cuddly is beyond me.)
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Old 12-11-2012, 08:58 PM
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How do you know it is the same for lions? (i personally believe that it should be, but how do you know for sure?)
Um... it was a joke... see the mental image of a gazelle figuring out all they had to do was kick the lion in the balls and suddenly all was dandy... think Gary Larson... still nothing... sorry, not sure what else to say.
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Wait.... damn this edit window time thing. Can a mod please remove that silly post about it being just a joke.

I know because I was on a safari in Africa when a huge male lion leaped out of the bush and tried to attack me and my wife (Morgan Fairchild). One quick kick to the nuts and we were enjoying lion bits roasted on the fire I started by rubbing two pieces of grass together... Yeah, that's the ticket.
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:33 PM
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Testicles aren't an easy target. Most mammals have them pretty well surrounded by rear legs, tail, and abdomen, and have developed skill in keeping them out of the line of fire. Going for vulnerable parts makes sense, but there are other parts that are more vulnerable, like eyes or the throat.
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:37 PM
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I have two testicle questions, but I don't think they warrant their own thread so I'll throw them in here.

1) Sometimes when I lie down in bed I get a weird aching feeling in my scrotum, almost like they are being pulled out of place. Gravity I guess, but does anyone else get this?

2) (I may have asked this on here before but can't remember) If I'm quite drunk - not quite at the "room spinning" stage but getting there - I often feel a weird "plunging" sensation in my knackers. Kind of like when you go over a hump-backed bridge in a car, you know? It is most noticeable if I'm sitting down. What might cause that? (Edit, I have asked this before but got no serious replies.)
I get something similar to point 1. However for me the blood pressure medicine lisinopril causes testicle pain that comes/goes in waves when I am trying to sleep (other BP meds don't seem to do this). And it isn't constant, I once took lisinopril for a year before the pain started, despite at other times in my life when I tried to use it I had to quit in a week due to the problem. I don't think alcohol has ever set it off.
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Old 12-12-2012, 05:28 AM
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The Honey Badger is an african mustelid with a reputation for ferocity that (according to local lore) specifically attacks the testicles of anything that crosses it's path.

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Old 12-12-2012, 05:44 AM
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I would like a research grant.

For what?

Kicking animals in the nuts.

Ummmmm.

Yup, you heard me. Lots of questions there...
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Old 12-12-2012, 05:45 AM
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The Honey Badger is an african mustelid with a reputation for ferocity that (according to local lore) specifically attacks the testicles of anything that crosses it's path.

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That's nasssssty!!!
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I would like a research grant.

For what?

Kicking animals in the nuts.

Ummmmm.

Yup, you heard me. Lots of questions there...
Funds have been granted for stupider ideas.
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That's nasssssty!!!
According to legend, honey badger don't care.
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Going for vulnerable parts makes sense, but there are other parts that are more vulnerable, like eyes or the throat.
The eyes are the groin of the head. -Dwight Schrute
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:43 PM
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6). Has there been any research in this area, and has anyone specifically looked at primates to see if they have a similar reaction to being hit in the testicles?

I'm sorry, I actually laughed out loud at that one.

Not at the question so much as at the image I had of scientists trying to undertake the research.

The idea of watching someone walk up to a bull gorilla and kick him square in the nuts then try to get away.

How could you actually test that? Get them to sit on a chair that's set up with a hole in the middle like a toilet and a nasty version of a drummers foot pedal? Once they're settled stamp on the pedal, watch their facial expression and if they don't faint or roll into the fetal position on the floor you stroll up and ask them " So, on a range of one to 10, where 1 is you felt nothing and 10 is you're about to tear my arms off and beat me to death with them, how much did that hurt?"
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Would someone suffering from paralysis still feel pain in the testicular region, or would that be shut down to sensation? I remember seeing a program where a guy with two paralyzed legs could get an erection and ejaculate, which i didn't exactly understand. Is this something that is controlled ultimately by the mind? Even if a paraplegic could get an erection, wouldnt he need to feel ejaculation to ejaculate?

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I can address this one. The answer is it depends on the nature and severity of the man's spinal cord injury. Spinal cord injuries (SCI) are extremely wide-ranging and their is much diversity within it's community. Most SCI involve sensation loss and those who have no sensation below their injury level (known as a "complete" injury) typically would not feel pain in the testicles either.

As far as the guy you saw on the program with two paralyzed legs who could still get an erection and orgasm-like I said, there is a lot of diversity in the SCI community. I myself am a guy with two paralyzed legs who can still get an erection and orgasm. I can't speak for the guy you saw on tv but I have full sensation everywhere, so I can feel. Its not just "in my mind": But some paralyzed men without sensation can get erections one of two ways: reflexogenic erections and psychogenic erections. The former is an erection produced totally through physical stimulation, while the latter is an erection brought about "by the mind".

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Suppose you're a lion, in a fight with another lion. You wanna go for the groin, but the problem is that the lion you're fighting keeps his head facing you, the better to attack you with. How exactly are you gonna go for the nads without getting past the bitey scratchy parts first? He isn't exactly gonna sit there wondering what's happening while you circle around behind him, is he?

Humans are uniquely constructed among mammals in that our testicles are vulnerable to attack from the front. Other mammals are quadrupeds and don't have their torsos and heads and back legs blocking the lines of attack. The only avenues open are from below and from behind. And if you're underneath, you're very vulnerable to getting stomp/clawed/smashed, you're too busy not getting stomped to have time to go for the goolies. And if you can attack from behind then you've got a huge advantage in all sorts of ways, not just a lucky nut shot. Going in low for a nut shot leaves you vulnerable to kicks in the face.
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Suppose you're a lion, in a fight with another lion. You wanna go for the groin, but the problem is that the lion you're fighting keeps his head facing you, the better to attack you with. How exactly are you gonna go for the nads without getting past the bitey scratchy parts first? He isn't exactly gonna sit there wondering what's happening while you circle around behind him, is he?

Humans are uniquely constructed among mammals in that our testicles are vulnerable to attack from the front. Other mammals are quadrupeds and don't have their torsos and heads and back legs blocking the lines of attack. The only avenues open are from below and from behind. And if you're underneath, you're very vulnerable to getting stomp/clawed/smashed, you're too busy not getting stomped to have time to go for the goolies. And if you can attack from behind then you've got a huge advantage in all sorts of ways, not just a lucky nut shot. Going in low for a nut shot leaves you vulnerable to kicks in the face.
Which is why I also asked the quesrion regarding primates.

Your point about large cats facing one another is valid, but when one gets the upper paw, so to speak, the other one might find itself on the ground in a prone or semi prone position. A male lion could take a swipe at the other male's groin with either the front or rear feet, and a lucky, well placed kick or swipe would have the desired outcome... Assuming the outcome is the same as what we humans would imagine it to be.



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I can address this on. The answer is it depends on the nature and severity of the man's spinal cord injury. Spinal cord injuries (SCI) are extremely wide-ranging and their is much diversity within it's community. Most SCI involve sensation loss and those who have no sensation below their injury level (known as a "complete" injury) typically would not feel pain in the testicles either.

As far as the guy you saw on the program with two paralyzed legs who could still get an erection and orgasm-like I said, there is a lot of diversity in the SCI community. I myself am a guy with two paralyzed legs who can still get an erection and orgasm. I can't speak for the guy you saw on tv but I have full sensation everywhere, so I can feel. Its not just "in my mind": But some paralyzed men without sensation can get erections one of two ways: reflexogenic erections and psychogenic erections. The former is an erection produced totally through physical stimulation, while the latter is an erection brought about "by the mind".
Thank you for sharing your personal story. Your situation is different than the one I saw on TV, in that the man in the documentary stated he felt no stimulation, even though he said he could get and maintain an erection until climax.
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I wonder if the testicles intense pain has evolved as feedback loop with social intelligence.

Males who feel more pain in their testicles would have to be more careful in sex with their mate. This could lead to the male becoming able to notice subtler parts of their partner's behavior. This could increase the survivability and reproductive ability of the pair. This creates a feedback loop

What do u guys think?
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I wonder if the testicles intense pain has evolved as feedback loop with social intelligence.

Males who feel more pain in their testicles would have to be more careful in sex with their mate. This could lead to the male becoming able to notice subtler parts of their partner's behavior. This could increase the survivability and reproductive ability of the pair. This creates a feedback loop

What do u guys think?
I'm wondering if Zombies feel pain if they're kicked square in the nuts.

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Thank you for sharing your personal story. Your situation is different than the one I saw on TV, in that the man in the documentary stated he felt no stimulation, even though he said he could get and maintain an erection until climax.
It wasn't' "my story". I just used myself as an example to illustrate the unpredictable nature of SCIs.
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All testicle are easy to squash from a powerful kick, a squashed one can cause death...

An animal that has to outrun carnivores may have painful testicles as a weakness, they'd prefer to get them badly bruised than to be eaten .

The apex carnivore or safe animal may well feel pain so as to avoid accidentally hurting them.

The sensation one feels in them when lying down may well be referred sensation from the lymph nodes near by. When lying down, the volume of lymph in the leg reduces as the pressure in the fluid,, which is due to height ,reduces and so the volume of the vessels reduces.. they are stretchy .. less pressure means closing up. So then the lymph node in the groin is having lymph flow into it.. a sensation of moving and pulsing. Its also important not to damage your lymph nodes, and the blood vessels near the joints are easily squashed too, so they are a bit sensitive to being squashed.

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Suppose you're a lion, in a fight with another lion. You wanna go for the groin, but the problem is that the lion you're fighting keeps his head facing you, the better to attack you with. How exactly are you gonna go for the nads without getting past the bitey scratchy parts first? He isn't exactly gonna sit there wondering what's happening while you circle around behind him, is he?

Humans are uniquely constructed among mammals in that our testicles are vulnerable to attack from the front. Other mammals are quadrupeds and don't have their torsos and heads and back legs blocking the lines of attack. The only avenues open are from below and from behind. And if you're underneath, you're very vulnerable to getting stomp/clawed/smashed, you're too busy not getting stomped to have time to go for the goolies. And if you can attack from behind then you've got a huge advantage in all sorts of ways, not just a lucky nut shot. Going in low for a nut shot leaves you vulnerable to kicks in the face.
I realize this is a zombie but Lemur866's scenario where one lion tries for "a lucky nut shot" is making me laugh even as I type.
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