Why no one cares about global warming.

In his State of the Union address this January, President Obama said, “No challenge – no challenge – poses a greater threat to future generations than climate change.” The American people, when asked to name the nation’s most important issue, don’t even mention climate change. This illustrates a common dichotomy; many influential people say that climate change is a very, very, very important issue, and they’ve been saying it for a long time, yet they haven’t created a groundswell of popular demand for major, serious action.

Various explanations are offered for this fact, typically focused on giving reasons for the bad decision-making of the public that doesn’t want to take action. Some blame the American news media, particularly Fox News. But only a small portion of Americans watch Fox News, and an even smaller portion of the world’s population. While some liberal outlets may say that they view climate change as the most important issue, the evidence suggests that they really don’t. We’re I to judge by how much attention is given in Slate or The Daily Beast in the past month, I’d have to conclude that pizza places in Indiana which don’t cater gay weddings are a bigger threat than global warming. The media as a whole plainly attention to what people want to read about. It reports on climate change some, yet not as you’d expect from the greatest threat in existence.

Another explanation is from psychology: people are programmed or hard-wired to pay the most attention to immediate threats, rather than long-term and abstract ones. But when the President and others like him declare that they’re focused on the long-term threat of climate change, such psychological theories can’t explain that. Is the President hard-wired differently?

What the ruling elite won’t theorize is that the public may be making a smart choice by not pushing climate change up the priorities list. A typical member of said public may see it like this. Disasters, catastrophes, threats of civilizational collapse and human extinction make for good stories. We can see this clearly at the movie theater. In the latest Avengers movie, arch-baddie Ultron aims to wipe out humanity. If Ultron instead sought to derail a trade agreement, the movie would be less successful.

That’s fiction. The attractiveness of disaster stories appears in alleged non-fiction too. Hal Lindsey wrote a book explaining how Bible Prophecy guaranteed the end of the world by 1988; it sold thirty million copies. More recently we’ve had the Mayan calendar doomsday that wasn’t. For the less mystically minded, there have been plenty of scientific apocalypses: the Y2K bug, peak oil, and long lists of doom-related overpopulation and pollution predictions.

So given all the doom that’s been prophesied and hadn’t happened, an average person might just conclude that when the experts come around yelling “catastrophe!” and “disaster!”, they can be safely ignored. Indeed, systems in place encourage the experts to make failed prophecies of doom.

Harold Camping predicted Armageddon on May 21, 2011. It didn’t happen, but he got lots of publicity. In the late 90’s I read scores of articles assuring me that Y2K would cause horrible things. Predicting disaster is a good way to sell books and magazines. Predicting the absence of disaster usually isn’t.

Moreover, some people have an interest in frightening us with horrible consequences. In 2013 we had the “sequester”, a cut to the federal budget that’s quite small compared to the entire budget. For months before it happened, politicians and pundits (and certain members of this board) assured us that these minor trims to federal programs would cause death, destruction, unemployment, and horrors beyond imagining. Then the sequester happened, and none of the promised consequences followed. No deaths, no rise in unemployment, no widespread devastation. But certain political groups had a strong motivation to make us believe that the sequester was bad.

So to an ordinary person it may look like this. The experts are usually wrong when they predict disaster. Media and politics push them to make lurid predictions of horrible outcomes which never occur. Why worry?

Of course then the disasters occur, and everyone gets mighty pissed off that the government didn’t do more (e.g. Hurricane Katrina.)

But you’re not too far off, I think. In general, humans are pretty terrible at risk assessment, especially long term.

Global warming?! Hahaha! It snowed today here. SNOWED!! In late April! Where’s your all your global warming now, libtards? :cool: Hahahahaha, it feels so smugly satisfying to be superior.

a perhaps not totally unfair characterization of the average FoxNewser

Funny thing about the media, what I have seen is that this issue shows how fake is the idea that the media is liberal. In reality while most scientists (that include also almost of the conservative ones) and people from the left are worried there is very little (at least until recently) coverage coming from the media overall.

One would think that what is going on in the west of the USA and with cap ice to be constant headline news, and they can be, but usually a connection with human emissions is not reported much.

I remember a Top Gear episode where they went to the North Pole and concluded global warming was a myth because it’s…like…really, really cold there. No, seriously: it’s cold.

I find the OP’s segues between Hal Lindsey, Harold Camping and unnamed experts to be weird. Also the lack of citations for false predictions by unnamed experts.

But yeah, TV news and talk radio blowhards that make consistent false claims are pretty bad. Click it off.

One explanation the OP doesn’t give, is the active, well-funded campaign by vested interested to push a denialist agenda.

It snowed in Milwaukee on May 10th in 1990. The previous day I was out riding my motorcycle. So what? Shit happens. Shit has always happened, youngsters!

Yeah. Why didn’t they shake their fist upwards to the Great Pumpkin in an exhibition of mans arrogant meddling towards nature. Surely He/She/It must know we are in control of such things. Some scientists told us we are!!! Plastic bags and aluminum cans! We’ll cure this all!!!

And why didn’t they raise the shit out of taxes. Twenty bucks a gallon for regular sounds alright to me. :rolleyes:

It’s only like common-fucking sense. Sadly, common sense isn’t really common. ~sigh~

Why isn’t it bigger news? Because RW media lies about it daily to create enough doubt that most uninformed people think the science isn’t solid.

That and the average American is lazy, easily distracted, and short sighted. Just like the average human.

Whether GW will kill us all or was invented by Al Gore’s dad, I’d say over the span of human history most societies are terrible at long term planning and will often stare disaster in the face and keep on doing what worked up until then (or whatever gives the elite the most money and prestige). “Solving” GW would require the restructuring of dozens of nations, for an unknown outcome, and a re-evaluation of our entire consumerism culture – wow, where do we sign up?

I think there’s also a sense that even if it’s real we can deal with it, and it won’t happen for a long time anyway. I see this attitude a fair amount. Oh noes, temperatures might rise a degree in 100 years! This is probably what spurs predictions of disaster to make it seem more pressing. There’s another segment, which I probably belong to, which thinks that it doesn’t matter either way since we’re not going to do much beyond band-aid fixes, so there’s not much point in devoting mental energy to worrying or talking about it.

The message is always “we’re running out of time!” I’m waiting for when it changes to “we ran out of time, good try y’all. Pack it in.”

The hell?

Anyway, indeed popular media of all kinds continue to make it sound like there’s a scientific controversy about this, when in fact the controversy is almost entirely political in nature. For actual scientists who are experts in the field, the case for for anthropocentric global warming is virtually as settled science as you can expect in any scientific domain; it’s not at all controversial.

This is not dissimilar to the “controversy” about the Theory of Evolution: the “controversy” is driven by a faction with an anti-scientific agenda, and not by any actual scientists.

I know what you mean, but there is a completely different way of looking at that: The controversy was driven by the insecurity of the scientists in the 1970’s.

As with any threatened belief system, the scientists reacted to the objective failure of their belief system by becoming more defensive, more strident, and arguing amongst themselves. Ever since the idea of Darwinian evolution became popular, they’d believed that eventually the problems of incompatiblity with other evidence would be solved by further study, but it hadn’t worked out, and they’d run out of ideas.

They have since come to terms with the problems they were having (they’ve relaxed some of the philosophical beliefs for compatibility with what is now unquestioned scientific evidence), but that period of strident defensiveness was what really kicked off the attack on Creationism, and the attack on religion was what really kicked off the “anti-scientific agenda”.

Given the date (“1970’s”) you might want to argue that it’s all in the past, and no longer relevant, but I don’t think so. Although the scientific debate kicked off in the early 70’s, it didn’t really settle down till the mid 80’s. The public debate lagged the scientific debate, as it always does, and the fallout from that debate sticks with the public much longer: there is still a great deal of anti-creationism hysteria.

Right. We’re very very bad at risk assessment. There are actually some good reasons for it when speaking in terms of evolution. Our brains evolved to assess risk as quickly as possible without a lot of conscious thought.

Regardless, you’re much more likely to die from driving a car than from terrorism. Your child is much more likely to drown than be abducted by strangers. Yet many people are more scared of the less likely things.

Even when we pay lip service to huge risks that are farther away in time, like Obama or others who realize global climate change is absolutely real and largely caused by humans, acting on it at the expense of short term challenges is much more difficult.

I’m not sure why Y2K belongs in the list of predicted disasters that just went away. It didn’t happen because companies spent a ton of money and time reprogramming systems so that the Y2K bug didn’t happen. It wasn’t like people said, oh, that Y2K thing is really nothing, let’s do nothing about it.

How bizarre.

In the 1st place the experts generally are wrong. Everything that is “proved” to be bad and terrible or to be good and wholesome is then years later shown to be not so. For example in the news this week was reports that vitamins could be a cause of cancer. Say again…… for years we’ve been told to take them.

2nd we live in a world of disaster. Mankind always has, and always will, be effected by disasters. But yet you all in the climate change movement blame everything on climate change. It is almost like there were never hurricanes and tornadoes prior to 1990.

3rd you always make claims that then never occur. Remember Katrina and New Orleans ? Well per all the climate change advocates Katrina was just the start of a new wave of more violent hurricanes that were to be hitting the USA EVERY YEAR from that point on. How many years has it been since a Hurricane has made landfall to the US ? It is getting up to 8 or 9 now.

4th all of the affects you all claim are climate based have been here before. There was very warm climate in Roman times, then again in the Medieval Warm Period. Glacial Ice receded dramatically back in the 1920’s now is again.

5th you never take into account that maybe, just maybe, there is nature’s cycles that perhaps account for much of what you claim is climate change.

6th you want the scientific process that has been in effect for hundreds of years to be suspended for your cause. For hundreds of years there was open scientific debate on all issues many of which took decades to resolve. You want that suspended.

7th you all claim that anyone who disputes the climate change model is either in the pay of big oil, or ignorant, a denier, etc. When you resort to name calling it diminishes your argument, and it makes one think you not have much of an argument in the first place so therefore you have to resort to name calling.

All of the above, plus more, is a big part of the answer to your question.

We don’t have enough reliable information to determine if global warming is the Number One issue facing us, one of the issues facing us, or not an issue at all.

We can’t do a reasonable cost-benefit analysis until we are reasonably sure of the consequences, and one side is given to exaggeration and the other to denial.

Nobody is going to make the hard decisions until they have to, and saying “we can’t wait until we are certain - we must act NOW!!!” is stupid. Even if we act NOW!!! we have no reason to believe that the Chinese and Indians are going to follow in our footsteps - the Chinese record on pollution is atrocious, and I decline to believe that they are going to do an about-face and stifle their economy in the interests of preventing a calamity we cannot be sure is real, even if we do.

The Democrats are not better than the Republicans in this matter - on the SDMB, global warming is only interesting insofar as it can be used as a stick to beat Republicans, and when it actually comes down to it Obama (and Harry Reid and the rest of the alleged greenies) do not put their money where their mouth is, especially on nuclear power, and when Obama thought he could throw a half billion dollars at Solyndra and make solar happen by fiat it went tits-up and cost the US a thousand jobs.
[ul][li]Wind and solar cannot replace oil in our economy.[/li][li]Nuclear might, but liberals will fight against it in every specific instance.[/li][li]We cannot guarantee that throwing money at a problem will solve it. We are ten years away from practical fusion, and have been for the last forty years. We are twenty years away from practical solar, and have been for the last twenty years.[/li][li]People are not going to conserve energy until it costs them too much not to. Therefore, the market will take care of that. [/li][li]The SDMB complains constantly about Fox News. The rest of the media is no better, they just have a different spin.[/li][li]A global warming proponent is someone who will be able to tell you tomorrow why what he predicted yesterday didn’t happen today.[/ul][/li]Obama and the left talk a good talk, sometimes. Everything they propose either won’t help, won’t work, or both.

Regards,
Shodan

You are two emotive terms behind.

First it was global warming (actually global cooling was earlier but I’ll follow the trend)

Then it was climate change because statistically significant warming wasn’t being observed (NB the term ‘significant’ is a mathematical/statistical term)

When ‘climate change’ wasn’t emotive enough, they changed it to ‘climate disruption’ .

‘Climate Disruption’ covers any possible weather change. Colder, hotter, drier, wetter. Even the first cuckoo of spring!

People have had at least 35 years of alarmist stories vs actuality. They’ve got tired.

Ah yes, the “scientists have been wrong” gambit. Classic.

We’ve taken this into account extensively. We first established that CO2 and greenhouse gases could be responsible - that they did, in fact, have the effect of warming the planet. Then we looked into all other possible avenues. Could it be the sun? Nope, sun’s been in decline lately. Could it be cosmic background radiation? Nope, the trend is wrong. Could the water cycle prove to be a negative feedback? Nope, that doesn’t work that way. Far from this never being taken into account, it’s been studied at length. At this point, anyone saying “natural cycles” and not offering a specific candidate and evidence for how it could be causing this cycle is essentially saying “Nah, it was magic”.

Bullshit. First of all, what do you call ongoing research since the 1800s in a field of study trying to build an accurate model of reality if not the scientific process? Secondly, anyone is free to present any evidence they’d like. The current models could be overturned. It’s not likely, but it could happen. It’s just that the denialist camp has presented somewhere between “no evidence” and “negative evidence”.

Anyone who disputes the climate change model at this point is either in the possession of some new evidence not presented that somehow manages to overturn the entire theory (extremely unlikely), ignorant of the science, or in denial of the science. There is no fourth option, and that first option is about as likely as a silver bullet capable of overturning the theory that the earth is not flat. Call it name-calling all you want, the fact of the matter is that most people don’t understand the science or the evidence behind it.

Including you.

How do I know this? Because you turn around and say it makes us look like we don’t have an argument in the first place. Uh, dude, are you serious?!

http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/ist/?next=/videos/category/3play_1/climate-change-101-with-bill-nye-the-science/

I’m sorry, but if you think that there is no case for anthropogenic climate change, and that people haven’t been making this case, you clearly have not spent even five minutes looking. Calling someone ignorant when they clearly have not spent any time whatsoever examining the subject is not an insult. It’s not name-calling. Calling someone who damn well should know better a denialist may very well be name-calling, but at that point there’s no point in engaging with them anyways. And the shill gambit? Hey, guess what: for once, it actually works.

Yeah, this. Lots of people make a lot of money doing things that in the long term will lead to climate change. Even though there’s massive scientific consensus that we have a problem, the illusion of controversy is propped up by a well-funded denialist campaign.