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Old 10-23-2016, 11:22 AM
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Hillary will, of course, be elected. And nothing can impede America's slide into a smoldering social and economic landfill. So Hillary will be elected, everything will get worse, as it must, and the Trump people will say "See? We told you so". Every dire prediction they make about Hillary's administration will, and must, come true because nothing can be done, by anyone, to stop it. Even if we had Washington running against Lincoln, it's a straight line down.

So the real danger to the republic is not in this election, but in the next one, when there will be even fewer straws to clutch at in the even steeper-sided shithole, with even less confidence in traditional statesmanship.. Let's cut straight to Godwin: This is where Hitlers come from.
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Old 10-23-2016, 11:42 AM
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Well, I (and most other people, probably) think you're overselling your premise by a very, very wide margin. And what's more, I suspect you know you're doing it too.

But if you're serious, and not just playing devil's advocate/trying to prove a point or whatever, you can prove your sincerity by moving into a bunker and stocking up on canned goods and potable water.

In fact, if you really believe what you're saying, how could you possibly do otherwise? It would be the only rational course of action. If you're not prepared to go "full prepper", either you don't believe your own line, or you don't care about your own well-being. What other possibility is there?
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Old 10-23-2016, 11:45 AM
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America's slide into a smoldering social and economic landfill.
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What exactly are their predictions? I could never get anything specific more specific from Trump supporters than "you'll regret it."
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Old 10-23-2016, 12:03 PM
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So Hillary will be elected, everything will get worse, as it must...
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Old 10-23-2016, 12:09 PM
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Donald Trump is the cite.

The discourse of Trump's campaign has always been this narrative, pulled directly out of his ass--a fiction that appeals to those who want to make America white great again. The OP is just carrying the water for him, (and the monetary interests of whatever Trump media concern results from all of this).
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Here's my prediction.

It doesn't matter whether things get better or worse under Hillary Clinton. Either way, right wing pundits will declare a disaster has occurred and their uninformed followers will believe it.
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Old 10-23-2016, 12:17 PM
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What exactly are their predictions? I could never get anything specific more specific from Trump supporters than "you'll regret it."
This one Trump-supporting friend of mine told me "Hillary will kill us all!" I had to admit I hadn't heard that one before. To be fair, I'm pretty sure he was drunk at the time.
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Old 10-23-2016, 12:19 PM
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So the real danger to the republic is not in this election, but in the next one, when there will be even fewer straws to clutch at in the even steeper-sided shithole, with even less confidence in traditional statesmanship.. Let's cut straight to Godwin: This is where Hitlers come from.
Very strange, I remember reading here the same predictions or the essentially identical for the election of the President Obama. But by all the objective financial, social and economic measures, you have a stronger country than at the end of the younger Bush presidency. But it is a country that is less blanche neige. That is maybe the ruin...

Why your fellow Americans should have any confidence in people who are supporting a serial bankrupter of companies, a man who engaged in many frauds and abuses... I do not undrestand.

I guess the old white people of america can not easily forget their social history
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History keeps teaching us Republican predictions are terrible. Maybe someday people will realize this and stop voting for them.
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Old 10-23-2016, 12:23 PM
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Here's my prediction.

It doesn't matter whether things get better or worse under Hillary Clinton. Either way, right wing pundits will declare a disaster has occurred and their uninformed followers will believe it.
I agree. It's a reality TV show--a form of entertainment whose very appeal derives from make-believe "reality." This is Trump's expertise, and essentially defines his whole campaign. There's no reason why they wouldn't want to continue it, if they can make a buck off of it.
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Old 10-23-2016, 12:26 PM
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Maybe I'm in a bubble, because I live in a state with a Democratic Governor and a healthy economy, but I honestly can't figure out what the OP is complaining about. I'll concede some people are struggling. That's hardly new, however.

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Every dire prediction they make about Hillary's administration will, and must, come true because nothing can be done, by anyone, to stop it.
I don't get to alt-right web sites. What are they predicting? I thought "Obama's Third Term" was supposed to scare us. (we should be so lucky).
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Old 10-23-2016, 12:29 PM
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Me, I'm just grateful that Mitt Romney's promises of 5% unemployment and $2.00/gallon gasoline came true.
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Old 10-23-2016, 12:31 PM
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Maybe I'm in a bubble, because I live in a state with a Democratic Governor and a healthy economy, but I honestly can't figure out what the OP is complaining about. I'll concede some people are struggling. That's hardly new, however.
To be fair, when people are struggling when the economy is supposedly doing well (record stock prices etc), that feels much worse than when everyone is struggling and big banks are begging to be bailed out. And many are struggling because their jobs have been offshored, which is why there is growing resentment of free trade.
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Old 10-23-2016, 12:36 PM
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Here's my prediction.

It doesn't matter whether things get better or worse under Hillary Clinton. Either way, right wing pundits will declare a disaster has occurred and their uninformed followers will believe it.
Especially blatant the past few years have been the attempts to "unskew" the unemployment numbers in order to discredit the Obama administration (inasmuch as Obama has anything to do with the recovery.) When they refer to broader measures of unemployment, which are supposedly in the mid-teens, they implicitly contrast it with the single-digit standard numbers of the late Bush administration because they don't reveal what his broader numbers were. I have to assume that if Obama's "discouragement-adjusted" unemployment rate were 18% and Bush's was 10% or so, that we would hear it from the rooftops every time they drag out that stat, so I have to assume Bush's numbers were abyssmal-seeming as well, which of course leads one to the conclusion that this fact is obfuscated for a reason.

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It doesn't matter whether things get better or worse under Hillary Clinton. Either way, right wing pundits will declare a disaster has occurred and their uninformed followers will believe it.
Yep. And no matter how bad that could get, there's no way a Trump presidency would be anywhere near that good. Cite: the behavior of those Republicans on Capitol Hill for the past eight years and the one in the White House just prior to that. Some people have a tendency to forget who was driving the bus when the wheels fell off.

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Old 10-23-2016, 01:20 PM
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Hillary will, of course, be elected. And nothing can impede America's slide into a smoldering social and economic landfill. So Hillary will be elected, everything will get worse, as it must, and the Trump people will say "See? We told you so". Every dire prediction they make about Hillary's administration will, and must, come true because nothing can be done, by anyone, to stop it. Even if we had Washington running against Lincoln, it's a straight line down.

So the real danger to the republic is not in this election, but in the next one, when there will be even fewer straws to clutch at in the even steeper-sided shithole, with even less confidence in traditional statesmanship.. Let's cut straight to Godwin: This is where Hitlers come from.

Stick around for four to eight years. I'd like the satisfaction of gloating with my own "Told you so!", when nothing remotely apocalyptic happens during or after HRC's presidency.
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Old 10-23-2016, 01:22 PM
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To be fair, when people are struggling when the economy is supposedly doing well (record stock prices etc), that feels much worse than when everyone is struggling and big banks are begging to be bailed out. And many are struggling because their jobs have been offshored, which is why there is growing resentment of free trade.
If you lost your job because the plant you worked at closed down or moved out of the country, not only you personally but many of the people you know, and maybe your whole town, are going to be suffering. While watching the first debate, I could see how Trump was appealing to these sorts of people. Unfortunately, his solution—if we can just plug the holes that all the jobs are leaking out of (and illegal immigrants are leaking in through) we can turn back the clock to a time when America's blue-collar workers were thriving—isn't workable. ANd Trump himself has been part of the problem, not part of the solution, and no friend to the common man (let alone woman).

Or, see this insightful Cracked.com article: How Half Of America Lost Its F**king Mind.
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Old 10-23-2016, 01:34 PM
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Stick around for four to eight years. I'd like the satisfaction of gloating with my own "Told you so!", when nothing remotely apocalyptic happens during or after HRC's presidency.
Well, just look at all the doomcrying and end-of-the-world and America-is-fucked-fucked-I-tell-you stuff from 2008 that turned out to be right at the end of Barack HUSSEIN Obama's term!

Oh... never mind...
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Old 10-23-2016, 01:41 PM
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Let's cut straight to Godwin: This is where Hitlers come from.
Says the person supporting the neo-fascist candidate. The person who rather suspiciously has an 88 in their username.

I rather strongly suspect that you hate Hillary so much because she won't fulfill the Trumpites' fantasies of an ethnic cleansing campaign against brown people.
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Old 10-23-2016, 02:43 PM
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It could be worse. Trump might get elected. Then we'll have to resort to eating out of dumpsters. Oh, wait.
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With the tonal shift of these threads, I think they're finally moving on to the Acceptance stage.
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Let's be freakin' honest here. If you thought that Obama and Bill Clinton were bad presidents, Hillary will probably be somewhere in-between them. If you thought that Obama and Bill Clinton were good presidents, Hillary will probably still be somewhere in-between them.

Trump, once all the election silliness is over, might have the potential to be a good president. But the downside potential is catastrophic. New levels of bad. Dogs and cats living together, etc., etc.
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Old 10-23-2016, 03:09 PM
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The future of American agriculture is assured. The OP is so full of shit that we can grow wheat on bare rock. Which is good because that's what the OP has in place of brains.
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Says the person supporting the neo-fascist candidate. The person who rather suspiciously has an 88 in their username.

I rather strongly suspect that you hate Hillary so much because she won't fulfill the Trumpites' fantasies of an ethnic cleansing campaign against brown people.
While I agree the guy is being shitty, he's revealed long ago that the 88 has to do with his year of birth (or something like that--I don't remember exactly). And has not seen especially Nazi-like since.

I also seem to remember him being on the autism spectrum, but I may be mistaking him for someone else.

Also, he's generally said he doesn't actually support Trump. He just really, really hates Clinton.

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There is giong to be widespread unemployment coming in the next few decades due to advances in robotics and AI. I'm sure people will blame whatever political party is in power or that they disagree with for this. But I don't think the timeline for that is 2017-2020. This is more the 2020s and 2030s when we will see this, and IMO by 2040 barely 1 in 4 adults will be employed (maybe 50-60 million jobs in a nation that'll be pushing 400 million people).

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Maybe someday people will realize this and stop voting for them.
As long as republicans can tell their base that they are the smartest, most talented, hardest working, most authentically 'Americans' out there they will continue to vote GOP. Just keep dog whistling that conservative whites from small towns are the most superior segment of the US, that alone will get them 30 million votes each election.

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he's revealed long ago that the 88 has to do with his year of birth (or something like that--I don't remember exactly).
Given the age he's been claiming, he had to have been born in '39 or so.
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Just keep dog whistling that conservative whites from small towns are the most superior segment of the US, that alone will get them 30 million votes each election.
You gotta admit, it makes a refreshing change from being told that city people are the only people that matter—see the article I linked to upthread.
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Hillary will, of course, be elected. And nothing can impede America's slide into a smoldering social and economic landfill. So Hillary will be elected, everything will get worse, as it must...
Sorry, I'd love to be terrified by your compelling prediction about Hillary, but I'm too busy laughing at the same predictions Republicans made about Obama 8 years ago.

The real threat is Republican obstructionists trying to make their own claims of disaster come true again (assuming they retain enough control to do so). But we survived it somehow for the past 6 years.
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Trump, once all the election silliness is over, might have the potential to be a good president. But the downside potential is catastrophic. New levels of bad. Dogs and cats living together, etc., etc.
That's my take as well, although I'd say more like a "not bad" president than a "good" president. The very best scenario would be that he'd halfheartedly push a mostly conservative agenda with some populist and/or liberal ideas thrown into the mix, and listen to his advisors when they tell him a plan is stupid. But he could also aggressively pursue a far-right agenda, see how far he can push executive power (putting other recent Presidents to shame), and start catastrophic wars.

It's difficult to tell, so voting for Hillary is a no-brainer since, no matter how bad she may seem, she won't get anything accomplished since the House won't flip. I mean, I personally don't think she has a bad agenda, but that's a moot point. Whereas if Trump wins, the GOP would retain control of the Senate and so he might (or might not!) successfully pursue bad ideas in concert with the GOP.
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Speaking of predictions, won't Hillary Clinton be surprised when she tries to confiscate all our guns in her first week in office and finds out that Barack Obama already confiscated them in his first week in office and we've been a gunless nation these last eight years?

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Hillary will, of course, be elected. And nothing can impede America's slide into a smoldering social and economic landfill. So Hillary will be elected, everything will get worse, as it must, and the Trump people will say "See? We told you so". Every dire prediction they make about Hillary's administration will, and must, come true because nothing can be done, by anyone, to stop it. Even if we had Washington running against Lincoln, it's a straight line down.

So the real danger to the republic is not in this election, but in the next one, when there will be even fewer straws to clutch at in the even steeper-sided shithole, with even less confidence in traditional statesmanship.. Let's cut straight to Godwin: This is where Hitlers come from.
Some things will get better, some things will get worse.

Hillary will be blamed for everything that gets worse, and everything that gets better will be ignored.

Not saying that this doesn't leave room for another demagogue to try to take political power, but that's because enough of our population takes it's lead from doomsayers like yourself that they vote against both their own interest, and the interest of a secure, peaceful, and prosperous nation.
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Trump, once all the election silliness is over, might have the potential to be a good president.
Not a chance; he ruins anything he touches. He couldn't do a good job to save his life, nor is he likely to try.

And the horrific far-right agenda he's pushing guarantees it would be a disaster anyway. Torture and murder disqualify someone as a good President.
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Heck, even if we generously assume that every single thing Trump has said during the campaign was just for the purposes of the campaign and will have no bearing whatsoever on how he will behave as president....


That still leaves us with nothing, because he has no public or military service record of any kind. If it's okay to elect somebody to the presidency with no governmental experience, surely you can find a batter candidate than Donald Trump; perhaps one with fewer bankruptcies.
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Here is what I think the last four presidents have been like, IMO:

Obama>>>>>>>>>>>Bill Clinton>>>>>>>>>>>George H W Bush>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>George Bush

If Hillary is elected president, based on what I currently think of her, here is where I PREDICT she will fall in the "My opinion of past presidents" guide:

Obama>>>>>>>>>>>Bill Clinton>>>>>>>Hillary Clinton>>>>>>George H W Bush>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>George Bush

So...not very bad. Better than both Bushes. Maybe not as great as her husband (maybe tied?). Definitely not as good as Obama.


Here is where I think Trump would be on it:

SPOILER:
Obama>>>>>>>>>>>Bill Clinton>>>>>>>>>>>George H W Bush>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>George Bush>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Trump


So..confirmed: Hillary Clinton...best choice for PotUS.

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Trump, once all the election silliness is over, might have the potential to be a good president.
To quote Winston Churchill: "At the moment it seems quite effectively disguised."
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Trump, once all the election silliness is over, might have the potential to be a good president. But the downside potential is catastrophic. New levels of bad. Dogs and cats living together, etc., etc.
Bullshit. Trump does have one thing going for him. He figured out that the Republican base didn't give a shit about the issues that the Republican Media Industrial Complex were pushing. And so he could get tremendous applause lines at his rallies by talking about issues that the Republicans wanted to ignore.

But Trump absolutely has no agenda for his Presidency. He wants to be President, but not because he's got a laundry list of policies that he wants to address. Instead he wants to be president because he wants to get even with all the people who laughed at him. His Presidency would be a long litany of getting on TV and whining and complaining about how unfair everyone was being to him, and trying to get the FBI to harass his enemies, and causing diplomatic incidents with random foreign leaders.
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Here is what I think the last four presidents have been like, IMO:
I've already lived through the presidencies of Richard Nixon and George W. Bush. I'm closing the "Worst President in My Lifetime" competition to all new entries.
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Here is what I think the last four presidents have been like, IMO:
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Was that supposed to be some sort of chart? It didn't format correctly so it's hard to tell what it's supposed to be showing.
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I can predict this much over the next 4 years with accuracy regardless which becomes president

>The poor will still be poor
>The working class will still continue to prop everyone else up
>The wealthy will still continue to look for political opportunities that will weigh in their favor.
>Other countries will still seek to exploit America financially.

So meh.
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Was that supposed to be some sort of chart? It didn't format correctly so it's hard to tell what it's supposed to be showing.
It shows that Trump sucks.
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It shows that Trump sucks.

Pretty much.
It was supposed to use "greater than" signs (doubled and tripled up to show "MUCH greater than") to show what I think if past presidents.

I could have just used one sign for each (I.E. "Obama>Clinton>GHWB>GWB"), but that wouldn't convey just HOW MUCH worse the latter ones were, IMO. This is more apt: "Obama>Clinton>GHWB>>>>>>> (add another 500) >>>>>GWB".

With Trump included, add about....oooh.....a million greater than signs after GWB and then put his name.
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