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Old 01-30-2020, 07:03 PM
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Iranian factory makes U.S. and Israeli flags for the specific purpose of being burned


Where there is demand, there shall be supply to meet it.


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Also freedom of speech? From the OP's link:
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Ghasem Ghanjani, who owns the Diba Parcham flag factory, said: "We have no problem with the American and British people. We have (a) problem with their governors. We have (a) problem with their presidents, with the wrong policy they have."

"The people of America and Israel know that we have no problem with them. If people burn the flags of these countries at different rallies, it is only to show their protest."
Frankly, that sounds like a pretty civilized attitude to me. I'm generally against flag-burning for environmental reasons, but if the intended message is "I reject and condemn your government's actions although I have nothing against you and your fellow-citizens personally", that seems reasonable.
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Reasonable, civilized flag burners...


Sounds like an oxymoron to me.
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I'm generally against flag-burning for environmental reasons
...which is why it makes sense (to me) to only prosecute flag-burners for violating open-burning statutes and fouling the air.

This would disappoint the shriekers on both sides. Commit a stupid petty act, get a petty fine in return.
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...I'm generally against flag-burning for environmental reasons...
All the more reason for a commercial operation to make flags specifically for the niche burning market, where durability is unimportant, and the flag can be made of a material that minimizes toxicity and pollution when burned.
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Reasonable, civilized flag burners...

Sounds like an oxymoron to me.
Your contention is that flag-burning is the last refuge of a scoundrel?
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Reasonable, civilized flag burners...


Sounds like an oxymoron to me.
Because civilized people know that they should revere pieces of cloth, like cave-men worshiping a mammoth skull?
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Because civilized people know that they should revere pieces of cloth, like cave-men worshiping a mammoth skull?
This runs both ways.

Obviously, those burning flags place a high value on their meaning, unless they're just trolling for a response.
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Because civilized people know that they should revere pieces of cloth, like cave-men worshiping a mammoth skull?

What an idiotic comparison!


No, I don't revere a piece of cloth you maroon. I revere the ideals for which it stands; democracy, rights, liberty, opportunity and equality.


From an all-American sport, one of the greatest plays in baseball...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbr1hNp-nI4


Now, that was civilized. Monday said initially he wanted to bowl them over.
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What an idiotic comparison!


No, I don't revere a piece of cloth you maroon. I revere the ideals for which it stands; democracy, rights, liberty, opportunity and equality.


From an all-American sport, one of the greatest plays in baseball...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbr1hNp-nI4


Now, that was civilized. Monday said initially he wanted to bowl them over.
Clearly it does not stand for those ideals for everyone. It's not unfair to say that for a good number of people around the world, including here in the USA, it strands for oppression. In their view burning it may be entirely appropriate.
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Doesn't make it civilized!
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Doesn't make it civilized!
How so? It's a peaceful protest and vastly more civilized than, say, ramming your car through a crowd at a rally you don't agree with killing an innocent girl.
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Another stupid comparison.
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Another stupid comparison.
You reeeeally love you some cloth, don'cha?
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Another stupid comparison.
What's a smart one?
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No, I don't revere a piece of cloth you maroon. I revere the ideals for which it stands; democracy, rights, liberty, opportunity and equality.
A flag represents a nation. If one believes that a nation should embrace those ideals, but at present is doing a terrible job of it, it's pretty straightforward to understand the symbolism of burning the flag. One could argue that it's symbolism that's only appropriate if your nation has gone so far off the rails that you feel desperation, but that's a subjective matter.

But a perspective that burning a flag is never acceptable can be interpreted as saying that remaining nominally patriotic must always outweigh being pro- the fundamental ideals that you list. And, of course, that's why the expression patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel echoes throughout history. You disagree with your government's policy of war, persecution, murder? Traitor!
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What's a smart one?
Cartoons? Books? Criticism of the Supreme Leader?

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Spin all you want. Echo all you want (you don't like it that your "expression" got ignored the first time around). I saw it. Burn all the American flags you want, at this moment in history, it is not illegal.

I believe/think/feel that burning a country's flag, whether you're an American, Iranian, etc., is not an act of a reasonable, civilized, peaceful person.

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You reeeeally love you some cloth, don'cha?
Another worthless post.


Try harder maroon!

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Another worthless post.
Irony at it's finest.
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Irony at it's finest.

You messed up. Try again maroon!
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Iranian factory makes U.S. and Israeli flags for the specific purpose of being burned
Gosh, how horrible. Does China know that Iran is cutting into its American flag manufacturing sector?
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They have their reasons
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Try harder maroon!
Truly a living lesson in how to act civilized.
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I don't take civility lessons from internet ****wads. I'm sure the four of you know who you are. You get what you give.
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I suspect you will get a civility lesson from internet forum mods as soon as they notice this thread.
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Good! Then they can move this thread (mundane, pointless, my ass), where it belongs.
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In the meantime, maybe you could post some of those peaceful, civilized people burning flags videos.

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Good! Then they can move this thread (mundane, pointless, my ass), where it belongs.
Where do you feel a thread about your ass belongs?
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More idiotic posts! Are you guys in a club or something?
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I don't take civility lessons from internet ****wads. I'm sure the four of you know who you are. You get what you give.
No one insulted you. You are the only one making personal attacks.
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This thread is not about me. Get back on topic!
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We could burn all those flags in that factory simultaneously for them if they'd like.
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Maybe we should bring back the 1979 Middle Finger Mickey.

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I believe/think/feel that burning a country's flag, whether you're an American, Iranian, etc., is not an act of a reasonable, civilized, peaceful person.
There's an organization right here in the US that teaches children to burn the American flag.

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We could burn all those flags in that factory simultaneously for them if they'd like.
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There's an organization right here in the US that teaches children to burn the American flag.
The Boy Scouts?
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Kinda figured that was where you were going...
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Thatís not even a proper Israeli flag. If youíre gonna burn a flag, at least burn the right one!


Obligatory link to Northern Irish about to torch Ivory Coast flags
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Maybe it's a deniability issue? I mean, if they made good-looking regulation Israeli flags, the police could suddenly decide to arrest them for Zionism or something, so they made a conscious decision to do a really half-assed job.
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Quite right.
Heh. A few years back, I attended an Independence Day celebration where the local Boy Scouts held a flag retirement ceremony. There was one lady who was quite upset that anybody would treat any American flag that way. The leader pointed out that burying the flags or throwing them in the trash would actually be worse, but she wasn't having any of it.

Now I wonder if that was saucywench.
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All the more reason for a commercial operation to make flags specifically for the niche burning market, where durability is unimportant, and the flag can be made of a material that minimizes toxicity and pollution when burned.
Good idea, like money to burn on Chinese New Year. I foresee a push for "green" carbon-neutral flags for environmentally conscious protesters. Of course supporters of Big Oil will want the dirtiest possible flags to fire up, saturated with chemical wastes. Market opportunities await!

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A flag represents a nation.
Or a state, province, city, team, school, business, club, movement, service branch, etc. I'll quibble with "represents" - I see flags as turf markers, worthy of recognition and not much more. I swore oaths to protect and defend the US Constitution. The US flag is an ornament. The Constitution is our bedrock.
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