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Old 06-21-2016, 04:40 PM
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Did you buy or plan to buy a new car?


What kind? My wife and I recently bought a 2016 Honda HRV EX and we love it!
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Old 06-21-2016, 05:01 PM
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Old 06-21-2016, 05:27 PM
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I'm planning to buy a car this summer; probably some kind of Subaru.
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I am going to need a new car soon and I think I may go with a Mazda CX-5. They are a really good deal and rate very highly in the small SUV/Crossover class. I always find my eyes drawn to them when I see them around because they are really attractive and look to be much more expensive than they are. They are also supposedly really fun to drive.

If I can convince myself that I don't need an SUV, I am tempted to get another BMW 3-series. Those are my ultimate sedan and I love them with all my heart but I am not sure they are practical for my needs right now. Maybe next time.

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Old 06-21-2016, 05:48 PM
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We bought a 2016 Mazda CX-5 last summer and love it. The only complaints are that the cup holders are inconveniently located and the nav system is clunky.
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Old 06-21-2016, 05:58 PM
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I am going to need a new car soon and I think I may go with a Mazda CX-5. They are a really good deal and rate very highly in the small SUV/Crossover class. I always find my eyes drawn to them when I see them around because they are really attractive and look to be much more expensive than they are. They are also supposedly really fun to drive.
Same here. I'm just waiting for the right time, perhaps in the fall, when they're trying to dump stock. I'm going to go for the top shelf this time, I think, which ups the ante somewhat, but it may be my last car, so what the hey. I also need to sell my 2011 Prius, which only has about 17,000 miles on it, which should be easy in Portland.
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I recently bought a 2016 Honda Civic EX-T. I love it! The dealership, not so much.
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I recently bought a 2016 Honda Civic EX-T. I love it! The dealership, not so much.
Congrats! I hope you didn't get the extended warranty and prepaid maintenance. We said no to all.
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no extended warranty, but the song and dance they performed to induce me to sign was quite entertaining. It involved the general manager coming in to the discussion to warn the financing officer that this was the LAST ONE he could give this deal to
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no extended warranty, but the song and dance they performed to induce me to sign was quite entertaining. It involved the general manager coming in to the discussion to warn the financing officer that this was the LAST ONE he could give this deal to
Ah that old trick in the book. As long as you're happy with the car...
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I'm buying a 2017 Ford Escape, as soon as the dealer incentives get better (currently just $250).
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I can't afford a new car, but I do need to buy a used car, since my previous car, a 2000 Ford Escort, was totaled by a hit and run driver.

All I need is a small car. I don't need or want a lot of bells and whistles, heck, the Escort didn't even have power windows. All I want is good gas mileage and not too high of an oil consumption rate. Color, make, model, are not important.
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Old 06-21-2016, 10:07 PM
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I just ordered a 2017 Fusion Energi, but I’m lucky and only have to pay the corporate lease rate (my first time being able to use this benefit in my company). Platinum or Titanium level (I don’t recall which). White, but not the version of white that I’d have to pay extra for, and I opted for the interior that’s not black (really, color names are quite outrageous these days).

Honestly because it’s a company car, though, I don’t know whether or not I’ll feel that “it’s mine.” I do have a company car now (and I have to pay for it), but I also have a driver (required in this country), and due to the inflexibility of arranging his time, I have no feeling that “it’s mine.”
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Old 06-21-2016, 10:18 PM
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I am going to need a new car soon and I think I may go with a Mazda CX-5. They are a really good deal and rate very highly in the small SUV/Crossover class. I always find my eyes drawn to them when I see them around because they are really attractive and look to be much more expensive than they are. They are also supposedly really fun to drive.
I was checking out the current batch of small SUVs and liked the CX-5. My wife has the current Rav4 which I also like and is a bit roomier. The CRV is also nice but just didn't feel as sporty as the others.
The one I'm waiting to see now is the redesigned 2017 Tiguan. Turbo engine and bigger than the past models.
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Old 06-21-2016, 10:22 PM
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I wanted to buy a Rav-4. The problem was that when I started shopping, I found that Toyota had discontinued the six cylinder option, which is pretty close to a deal breaker for me.

So now I'm looking at other crossovers that offer a six cylinder. The problem is they're rare. I'm not really crazy about the Subaru Outback or the Chevy Equinox. I'm even less enthused by the GMC Terrain. And I don't want a Jeep (I made that mistake once).

I'm open to suggestions.
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I can't afford a new car, but I do need to buy a used car, since my previous car, a 2000 Ford Escort, was totaled by a hit and run driver.

All I need is a small car. I don't need or want a lot of bells and whistles, heck, the Escort didn't even have power windows. All I want is good gas mileage and not too high of an oil consumption rate. Color, make, model, are not important.
If that's the case, you can afford a Mitsubishi Mirage, even a brand new one.
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I wanted to buy a Rav-4. The problem was that when I started shopping, I found that Toyota had discontinued the six cylinder option, which is pretty close to a deal breaker for me.

So now I'm looking at other crossovers that offer a six cylinder. The problem is they're rare. I'm not really crazy about the Subaru Outback or the Chevy Equinox. I'm even less enthused by the GMC Terrain. And I don't want a Jeep (I made that mistake once).

I'm open to suggestions.
A 4 cyclinder with turbo can be matched with a v6. How much power do you really need?
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Last vehicle purchase I was involved in was my mom's Mazda 5. Her Sienna was dying and she really hated her local Toyota dealer (I don't blame her - they were horrible!) She wanted good gas mileage and the ability to take a bunch of people with her, which is why she had the minivan. The Mazda 5 will hold 6, altho the 2 in the back row of seats don't have a lot of leg room, but she doesn't do long hauls. At most, she and her retired buds will drive half an hour into town, tho the majority of the time, it's just her and maybe one other.

I'd done some online research for her, and the Mazda 5 seemed to fit the bill, and she's been quite happy with it. I'm just glad she got rid of her van - it was more of a pain than it was worth.

I'm hoping we won't need a vehicle for at least 5 more years - our ride is a 2012 Sonata with 105K miles. We like it fine and we've had no problems with it at all. We have decided in our old age that comfort is more important to us than fuel economy, within reason. So no more econoboxes! We shall see what the market has after 2020.
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I have a VW diesel that I'm going to unload at the first opportunity and get a new car probably in the next few months. Keeping lots of options open.

I helped someone buy a new car a little while back, and the salesman did the whole, "Boy, you really need an extended warranty... we've had people come back the day after the factory warranty expired with huge problems!"

If they do this when I buy my next car, I'm just going to say, "Are you telling me that you're selling me a piece of shit? Well, then I'm going to go across the street to the Toyota/Honda/BMW dealer and ask if they sell shitty cars. I might be back, maybe not."
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We just got a Toyota Sienna (XLE, AWD) last Wednesday! It is pretty sweet! It's my wife's vehicle. She was also considering a Ford Explorer, but the minivan won out.
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I just ordered a 2017 Fusion Energi, but Iím lucky and only have to pay the corporate lease rate (my first time being able to use this benefit in my company). Platinum or Titanium level (I donít recall which). White, but not the version of white that Iíd have to pay extra for, and I opted for the interior thatís not black (really, color names are quite outrageous these days).

Honestly because itís a company car, though, I donít know whether or not Iíll feel that ďitís mine.Ē I do have a company car now (and I have to pay for it), but I also have a driver (required in this country), and due to the inflexibility of arranging his time, I have no feeling that ďitís mine.Ē
I have a newly long commute and am totally not used to having to fill up every weekend; therefore, I plan to get a hybrid. Since you have undoubtedly done the research, can the Fusion Energi be used in much the same way as the regular Fusion hybrid? The Energi is a far better deal after tax breaks, but I'm not sure how I feel about a plug-in.
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I'm planning to buy a car this summer; probably some kind of Subaru.
It seems you're not sure yet. Have you checked out the 2016 Honda HRV? My wife is picky and we both recommend it! I wanted red, but got her color, white, which is my 2nd choice.
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I am going to need a new car soon and I think I may go with a Mazda CX-5. They are a really good deal and rate very highly in the small SUV/Crossover class. I always find my eyes drawn to them when I see them around because they are really attractive and look to be much more expensive than they are. They are also supposedly really fun to drive.

If I can convince myself that I don't need an SUV, I am tempted to get another BMW 3-series. Those are my ultimate sedan and I love them with all my heart but I am not sure they are practical for my needs right now. Maybe next time.
Any reason why you wouldn't consider a something like the X1 or the 3 Series wagon? Best of both worlds then....
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I made my plan last winter after sliding off the driveway, not for the first time, in my 2WD (Corolla). I got a Subaru last May and then this past winter did not cooperate with enough snow to prove I could make it up the driveway in bad conditions. Oh well, maybe next winter.

It's a Subaru Impreza hatchback and I love it.
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It seems you're not sure yet. Have you checked out the 2016 Honda HRV? My wife is picky and we both recommend it! I wanted red, but got her color, white, which is my 2nd choice.
I won't go back to Honda. Last time I went to them, they refused to negotiate on price. Deal killer for me.
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I won't go back to Honda. Last time I went to them, they refused to negotiate on price. Deal killer for me.
I know what you mean, but just because you had one bad experience at one Honda dealership, doesn't mean that all Honda dealerships are bad. Don't generalize. Try another. They have good reliable cars. We had a bad experience at one dealership. But we really like the HRV, so we went to another. We had a rare great experience buying ours at Marin Honda!
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A 4 cyclinder with turbo can be matched with a v6. How much power do you really need?
I'm looking for longevity not power. My experience has been that a four cylinder engine starts having problems around 50,000 miles while a six cylinder will go over 100,000 miles without problems.
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I'm looking for longevity not power. My experience has been that a four cylinder engine starts having problems around 50,000 miles while a six cylinder will go over 100,000 miles without problems.
One of my cars is a 4 cyclinder (2000 civic) with over 175k and still no problems. You probably had a Cavalier or something. What kind was it?

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I have a VW diesel that I'm going to unload at the first opportunity and get a new car probably in the next few months. Keeping lots of options open.

I helped someone buy a new car a little while back, and the salesman did the whole, "Boy, you really need an extended warranty... we've had people come back the day after the factory warranty expired with huge problems!"

If they do this when I buy my next car, I'm just going to say, "Are you telling me that you're selling me a piece of shit? Well, then I'm going to go across the street to the Toyota/Honda/BMW dealer and ask if they sell shitty cars. I might be back, maybe not."
Ha funny; even funnier for those who got the extended warranty.
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I won't go back to Honda. Last time I went to them, they refused to negotiate on price. Deal killer for me.
Also if I go by your logic, you would have moved on to another brand and to another and to another if the previous one didn't negotiate on price until you end up with a dodge. They are desperate to sell.

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Any reason why you wouldn't consider a something like the X1 or the 3 Series wagon? Best of both worlds then....
I don't do station wagons (or minivans) in any form so a BMW station wagon is right out. The X1 looks fine but is smaller than than a Mazda CX-5 with slightly worse reviews (both are very good though). If I am going to get a BMW, it is going to be a one of their higher 3-series sedans like a 325i and maybe even a performance version like an M3. I love BMW's in general but the 5 series always seemed a little frumpy to me so I am not interested in them either. The 7 series is great as a personal limo but I am not old enough and don't have the driving habits to justify one of those. I like their larger SUV's like the X5 but my ex-wife has one an I don't really need one that large so that kills that idea.

Small SUV's and crossovers seem to be where it's at for me at this stage in my life. My current vehicle is a 6-cylinder Toyota Rav4. It has been great and very reliable but I am running up miles on it quickly because of a long commute. However, like Little Nemo, I don't understand why they discontinued the 6-cylinder option. With 269hp and all wheel drive, that thing has no problem overtaking or passing almost any non-sports car on the road easily and it can tow fairly heavy loads if needed although I never do that. That is the main reason that I bought it but I don't see a reason to get another Rav4 now that option is gone.

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I have a newly long commute and am totally not used to having to fill up every weekend; therefore, I plan to get a hybrid. Since you have undoubtedly done the research, can the Fusion Energi be used in much the same way as the regular Fusion hybrid? The Energi is a far better deal after tax breaks, but I'm not sure how I feel about a plug-in.
Only once per week fill-up? You lucky devil! I used to think 19 mpg was pretty good, and had to fill up twice per week for my 30 mile commute.

For general usage, the only real different would be that the PHEV has a smaller trunk than the standard HEV, because of the larger battery pack. This doesnít really affect me because I would only routinely carry groceries. I still have my gas guzzling, environmentally unfriendly, behemoth Expedition stored at my old house if I really need the room (16 to 18 mpg at best, though).

I believe that the HEV achieves a 1 MPG better fuel economy than the PHEV, but you might want to double check. I suppose this means that if you buy the Energi and never plug it in, you would be very slightly worse off. On the other hand, even in the Motor City there are free plug in chargers available at places like shopping malls.

I chose the Energi because itís cheaper, but also specifically because itís plug-in. I project that I will live 22 miles from work which is within the electric-only range (depending on my driving habits). We also have chargers at work, but as Iím not there I don't know how available theyíll really be. If I can use them fairly regularly, then my commute home will be free.

I estimate that if I still had the Continental, it would cost me about $1565 per year for commuting fuel (at 22 miles distance). With just the hybrid (never charging) it should cost me $726 per year, and if Iím able to commute on pure electricity including free electricity at work, then only $316 per year! I think the non-plugin gets the same or better gasoline fuel economy. At 41 mpg I estimate $726 per year.

This assume $2.60 per gallon, but I have no idea what fuel costs right now. If I tweak my spreadsheet to $2.25 per gallon, it looks like gasoline is cheaper than electricity (but, again, I count on getting free electricity at work). My total electric rate is $0.15139 per KWH after the first 17 KWH, and thatís the flat rate without TOD or green car incentives.

And of course, Iím only looking at commuting costs, not vacations, errands, or fun.

The Energi comes with a 120 VAC charger, so no special 220 VAC lines are needed in your garage. It only takes 4 to 8 hours to charge completely because it has a small battery compared to, say, a Tesla or Focus or Bolt. Commercial chargers are faster, of course (my ďfreeĒ electricity at work costs me $0.50 if I donít unplug within the allotted free time). If you have TOD metering, you can program the car to charge whenever the cheap rate comes into effect.
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Also if I go by your logic, you would have moved on to another brand and to another and to another if the previous one didn't negotiate on price until you end up with a dodge. They are desperate to sell.
I've owned Hondas in the past and liked them, but not negotiating on price is like saying "fuck you" to the consumer. It's one reason I wouldn't buy a Saturn with their ridiculous no-negotiating sales tactic. There are plenty of good car brands out there without having to deal with manufacturer arrogance.
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I've owned Hondas in the past and liked them, but not negotiating on price is like saying "fuck you" to the consumer.
Au contraire, having a fixed price is a huge benefit to the consumer. If more dealerships had fixed prices, we could comparison shop and not have to act like we've entered a Zambian spice market to buy a commonly produced durable good.

Might as well say that Lowes is saying "fuck you" to consumers by selling dishwashers at $499, or whatever price is marked.
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Au contraire, having a fixed price is a huge benefit to the consumer. If more dealerships had fixed prices, we could comparison shop and not have to act like we've entered a Zambian spice market to buy a commonly produced durable good.

Might as well say that Lowes is saying "fuck you" to consumers by selling dishwashers at $499, or whatever price is marked.
I agree, but it would only be a benefit if everybody worked that way. As it is, nearly every other manufacturer negotiates, which makes Honda an outlier: "Pay our price or go somewhere else." I choose to go elsewhere. You do realize that most high ticket item prices are at least somewhat negotiable, right? We've gotten discounts on both furniture and appliances just by asking, or by offering to pay cash.
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I made my plan last winter after sliding off the driveway, not for the first time, in my 2WD (Corolla). I got a Subaru last May and then this past winter did not cooperate with enough snow to prove I could make it up the driveway in bad conditions. Oh well, maybe next winter.

It's a Subaru Impreza hatchback and I love it.
I have a 2012. I hate it. If the numbers work out I'll be replacing it this weekend.
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I just bought I Chevy Spark about 7 weeks ago. I love it. I wish it were a manual, but I didn't have any luck finding manuals on the lots. I was definite I wanted a small car-- I even checked out the Smarts, but their rear-mounted engines are loud. I love having a tiny car to park. When I'm looking for a spot, and there's one of those where two people have both parked right up on the lines on each side, my car will still fit.

I'm still getting used to having an automatic, and I have occasionally put it in neutral while going through a stoplight, but mostly I'm doing OK.
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I don't do station wagons (or minivans) in any form so a BMW station wagon is right out. The X1 looks fine but is smaller than than a Mazda CX-5 with slightly worse reviews (both are very good though). If I am going to get a BMW, it is going to be a one of their higher 3-series sedans like a 325i and maybe even a performance version like an M3. I love BMW's in general but the 5 series always seemed a little frumpy to me so I am not interested in them either. The 7 series is great as a personal limo but I am not old enough and don't have the driving habits to justify one of those. I like their larger SUV's like the X5 but my ex-wife has one an I don't really need one that large so that kills that idea.

Small SUV's and crossovers seem to be where it's at for me at this stage in my life. My current vehicle is a 6-cylinder Toyota Rav4. It has been great and very reliable but I am running up miles on it quickly because of a long commute. However, like Little Nemo, I don't understand why they discontinued the 6-cylinder option. With 269hp and all wheel drive, that thing has no problem overtaking or passing almost any non-sports car on the road easily and it can tow fairly heavy loads if needed although I never do that. That is the main reason that I bought it but I don't see a reason to get another Rav4 now that option is gone.
That makes sense if you're not digging the look of it, although you can throw quite a few M parts at the wagon and have the diesel option as well. I love sporty wagons and I'd happily drive an E63 AMG Wagon or a tarted up M3 Wagon as a daily driver if I had the means>

I'm saving up for either a Focus RS, WRX STi or a Tesla 3. I suspect SWMBO is probably going to get a new Ford Edge or an MKX later this year though. at least the 6 cyl is still an option with them and decent towing capacity.
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I have a 2012. I hate it. If the numbers work out I'll be replacing it this weekend.
Uh-oh. Tell me why -- has it given you problems? Or is it a personal preference?
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Just bought a gently used--pardon me, "certified pre-owned"--Honda Accord. It was basically a coin flip between that and a Toyota Camry, but I ended up liking the look of the Accord better.
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I buy new ... drive for 20 years ... buy new again ... the rig is just another tool in the toolbox; break your hammer, buy a new hammer; break your truck, buy a new truck.

Currently a 2013 Toyota Tacoma ... I treat it as a motorized wheelbarrow that's street legal.
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I'm a Nissan fanboy and always have been, so in March we traded in my 2000 Frontier KingCab and bought a 2016 Rogue. The salesman was rather surprised when I handed him the keys to the truck and said "Here, you can have it back." I had bought that truck from the same dealer 17 years ago. The owner got a real kick out of that.

So far we are loving the Rogue. It handles well, has plenty of room for the pets and equipment and gets lots better gas mileage than the Frontier ever did.
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I just ordered a 2017 Fusion Energi, but Iím lucky and only have to pay the corporate lease rate (my first time being able to use this benefit in my company). Platinum or Titanium level (I donít recall which). White, but not the version of white that Iíd have to pay extra for, and I opted for the interior thatís not black (really, color names are quite outrageous these days).
are you coming back soon?

I've half a mind to negotiate with my landlord to get a 240VAC, 30A circuit run to the garage. Some of the (retail) lease deals on the C-Max are unreal.
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