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Old 01-12-2018, 10:26 PM
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Norwegian immigrants? just say Nei!

Nei, takk! Tusen takk, nei!

Listen, Donald, I know Norwegians are white and all, but if you let "those people" into the country it will destroy our way of life. Do you know what will happen?

LUTEFISK TRUCKS ON EVERY CORNER.
That's what.

For the love of Christ, Donald, do not subject us to this.
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Old 01-12-2018, 10:32 PM
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You say that now, but you'll change your tune when there's no one left who's willing to put in the long hours necessary to produce Powdermilk Biscuits.
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Old 01-12-2018, 10:33 PM
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Norway is a prosperous, free country, and the average Norwegian is doing at LEAST as well as the average white American. Sven and Henrik don't want or need to come to America.

It's always been people from shitholes who want to come here. Yes, in my grandfather's day, Ireland probably qualified as a shithole. And he certainly wasn't one of Ireland's "best." Ireland's best didn't need to emigrate. People like my grandfather, a farm boy with the equivalent of an 8 th grade education did.

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Old 01-12-2018, 10:33 PM
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Hey now! I not only enjoy lutefisk but I've eaten college cafeteria lutefisk! (St Olaf College nonetheless) And I'm a freaking Siberian for Lord's sake! Trucks on every corner sounds great to me!


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Old 01-12-2018, 10:57 PM
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Nei, takk! Tusen takk, nei! <snip>
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Old 01-12-2018, 11:11 PM
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Norway is a prosperous, free country, and the average Norwegian is doing at LEAST as well as the average white American. Sven and Henrik don't want or need to come to America.

It's always been people from shitholes who want to come here. Yes, in my grandfather's day, Ireland probably qualified as a shithole. And he certainly wasn't one of Ireland's "best." Ireland's best didn't need to emigrate. People like my grandfather, a farm boy with the equivalent of an 8 th grade education did.
The wave of Irish immigration came during the potato famine, when a quarter of Ireland either emigrated or died. "Ireland's best" were called "the English", and they owned all the land and exported all the food to England, leaving the Irish to literally starve to death. My paternal grandmother's family came to America then.

After four years of the famine, (1844-49) a quarter of Ireland's population (2 million) had either left or died. You'd have to go to Pol Pot's Cambodia, to find a better example of a shithole. The main, the only cause of the potato famine was the greed and callous disregard of the English.

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Old 01-12-2018, 11:21 PM
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Norway is a prosperous, free country, and the average Norwegian is doing at LEAST as well as the average white American. Sven and Henrik don't want or need to come to America.
How can this be? Norway is a social democracy, and indeed can fairly be called a "welfare state". Wouldn't Sven and Hendrik want to get away from that socialist shithole?

Well, maybe not ...
What is it, though, that makes the Scandinavians so different? Since the Democrats can’t tell you and the Republicans wouldn’t want you to know, let me offer you a quick introduction. What Scandinavians call the Nordic model is a smart and simple system that starts with a deep commitment to equality and democracy. That’s two concepts combined in a single goal because, as far as they’re concerned, you can’t have one without the other.

Right there, they part company with capitalist America, now the most unequal of all the developed nations, and consequently a democracy no more. Political scientists say it has become an oligarchy, run at the expense of its citizenry by and for the superrich. Perhaps you’ve noticed that.
https://www.thenation.com/article/af...ard-heres-why/
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Old 01-12-2018, 11:50 PM
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From 1870 to 1910 a quarter of Norway's working-age population emigrated, mostly to the United States. You read that right — one-fourth of its workers left the country.

Back then Norway was quite poor. Wages were less than a third of what they were in the United States. And the wave of emigration out of the country quickly benefited those who remained. That's because it reduced the supply of workers in Norway, so those left behind could demand higher wages. And this helped narrow Norway's wage gap with the U.S. by 25 percent over that same 40-year period, putting Norway on the path toward its status today as one of world's most prosperous nations...

Then in 2008 a wealth of new data became available about Norway that added yet another twist to the picture: It turns out that the immigrants that Norway sent to the U.S. during that great migration wave of the 1870s were its poorest and least educated citizens.
http://iowapublicradio.org/post/trum...e-did#stream/0

It's hard to understand why this would be true: wouldn't traveling across the Atlantic be very expensive (in relative terms) back then? If you both poor and are living paycheck to paycheck (and the paychecks not all that regular)--or are a farmer mostly living on a subsistence level how could you save up the money for the trip?

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Old 01-12-2018, 11:59 PM
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On my mother's side, my ancestors came to America from an island shithole called England. They piled on a small boat called Mayflower and came to America to steal jobs from the natives. Or something. My father's family escaped from an oppressive shithole called Germany and became a burden on society by becoming wagon makers, teachers and produce vendors, going from zero to wealth in 40 years.
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Old 01-13-2018, 12:03 AM
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http://iowapublicradio.org/post/trum...e-did#stream/0

It's hard to understand why this would be true: wouldn't traveling across the Atlantic be very expensive (in relative terms) back then? If you both poor and are living paycheck to paycheck (and the paychecks not all that regular)--or are a farmer mostly living on a subsistence level how could you save up the money for the trip?
The way my ancestors did it (from Pinsk) was that one person went, and then sent money for the rest. The immigrants also went in steerage - not exactly deluxe accommodations, and probably more profitable for the steamship company than cargo.

But why is it surprising that those doing well in Norway would want to stay and not go to a land where they did not know the language.
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Old 01-13-2018, 12:19 AM
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I wouldn't blame other countries if they didn't want to accept immigrants from a shithole like the United States. We can have cars and houses and cell phones and technology and have so much food we throw half of it away but while Donald Trump is president we are a shithole.
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Old 01-13-2018, 12:24 AM
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Perhaps Trump is prioritizing his immigration choices on the basis of which country has the most pussies he wants to grab?
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Old 01-13-2018, 01:00 AM
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The shape of Africa can be seen as someone sittng on a toilet ... what does Scandinavia look like?
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Old 01-13-2018, 06:29 AM
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I wouldn't blame other countries if they didn't want to accept immigrants from a shithole like the United States. We can have cars and houses and cell phones and technology and have so much food we throw half of it away but while Donald Trump is president we are a shithole.
That already happens. It is getting harder and harder for US expats to find a country that will accept them. Americans are seen as health-care refugees, wanting to cash in on somebody else's universal health car systems.

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Old 01-13-2018, 07:10 AM
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Nei, takk! Tusen takk, nei!

Listen, Donald, I know Norwegians are white and all, but if you let "those people" into the country it will destroy our way of life. Do you know what will happen?

LUTEFISK TRUCKS ON EVERY CORNER.
That's what.

For the love of Christ, Donald, do not subject us to this.
Nobody tell this guy about Minnesota. Lutefisk and Lutherans as far as the eye can see!
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Old 01-13-2018, 07:37 AM
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The shape of Africa can be seen as someone sittng on a toilet ... what does Scandinavia look like?
An oddly-shaped, strangely rigid mess of hair sitting on Europe's forehead.
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Old 01-13-2018, 07:44 AM
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I think this is the right place for this reddit comment that's become really popular:

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The most offensive part about Trump's comments today wasn't the word "shithole". It was the word "Why".

“Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?”

Do people even really understand what our president is saying?

Look, I'm not angry because he calls places "shitholes". I'm a first generation immigrant. I come from a shithole. I lived 10 years in a shithole. I'll freely call it a shithole. I won't get offended if you call it a shithole! It's a shithole! Happy?

But how DARE he use my origin as an excuse to demand an additional reason to explain my presence here? Why is it up to me (but not say, a white Norwegian) to provide some extra level of justification for why I deserve the chance to be an American?

If these places really are shitholes, shouldn't there be an even greater obligation to help people who come from there, specifically because they're in the most danger?

Apparently not. Because Trump sincerely believes that some people do, and some people do not deserve the chance to be Americans, and your birthplace (and by extension, your race) is a key deciding factor in whether you deserve the chance to be an American. And it just so happens that the "right" places happen to be white.

Notice that he did not ask "Why are we letting in poor people?" or "Why are we letting in people without degrees?" or "Why are we letting in people with criminal histories" or "Why are we letting in people who refuse to learn English?".

No, let's cut the crap, already, because deep down, we know damn well that he's not talking about merit, or even about your place of origin. After everything you've seen, who do you think Trump is more likely to feel is more deserving citizenship? One of those scary Muslims that are "taking over" Norway, or a white South African? Cuz I got a feeling that when he gets a look at those people, the calculus for determining whether their home countries count as "shitholes" suddenly changes.

Trump is practically saying "America is for white people. The rest are interlopers until proven otherwise. Until someone explains to me WHY they're even allowed here." Let's not forget either, that in this particular situation, he's not even talking about illegal immigrants. He doesn't get to even use that old fig-leaf.

He's talking about a reconfiguration of who we even allow the chance to become legal, through all the proper channels, not based on merit, not based on national security, not based on employability, but specifically targeted against the people he happens to hate.

And yet, the media is taking the bait. Already they rush to obfuscate the issue, to absolve him of the real evil of his comment by focusing on the "inappropriate word" he used.

Already, we're having these dumb conversations like "Well, he denied that he said that exact word, but he said she said that he did!" or "Well, to be fair, Haiti isn't exactly a nice place to live, he's just saying what everyone thinks privately, and he just chose a colorful word to describe it...", and instead of focusing on the racism, we just go "Oh, but look at the pretty beaches of Haiti! It's not a shithole! Look at the natural beauty and rich culture of-" SHUT THE FUCK UP!

What bearing does that debate have on anything?!? As if Trump's greatest sin is his vocabulary and not watching the Travel Channel?

What our president said today isn't just boorish, it isn't just cruel. It betrays a deep and insidious level of racism that can only be described as white supremacy. Again. This is a pattern, don't forget. But in this instance, he is literally throwing a tantrum because the "wrong people" are enjoying the benefit of immigration.

And it is so depressing and so terrifying, that even Trump's opponents - the people who represent the best hope we got to survive this regime - are just gonna waltz past that and chide him for his language.

If I'm the one from the shithole, how come Americans are so stupid that they keep falling for this crap over and over?
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Old 01-13-2018, 08:19 AM
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Do these people in those shitholes expect us to hold up a lamp to some kind of golden door to America just so they can send us a bunch of huddled, homeless masses? What the hell are we supposed to do with all that human refuse?
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Old 01-13-2018, 08:39 AM
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Norway? Norway? Actually, I'm kinda surprised Trump picked Norway.
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Old 01-13-2018, 09:42 AM
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You know, for someone whose mother was an immigrant, Trump sure has a bug up his ass about this topic. Of course, she was from one of the white good countries, so maybe that's OK.
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Old 01-13-2018, 09:54 AM
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http://iowapublicradio.org/post/trum...e-did#stream/0

It's hard to understand why this would be true: wouldn't traveling across the Atlantic be very expensive (in relative terms) back then? If you both poor and are living paycheck to paycheck (and the paychecks not all that regular)--or are a farmer mostly living on a subsistence level how could you save up the money for the trip?
Shrug, when I moved to the US for graduate school I had exactly:
the money for the one-way plane ticket,
for one month of housing,
and 150USD.

Well, I also had the amazing ability to make 150 USD feed me for a month with 50 dollars left, and I did have clothes, and being a TA came with a stipend which, while lower than what an American with a BA got, was enough for me to live on. But I didn't get the first payment until the end of the first month.


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That already happens. It is getting harder and harder for US expats to find a country that will accept them. Americans are seen as health-care refugees, wanting to cash in on somebody else's universal health car systems.
Don't forget about the banking crap. The US's insistence in behaving as if they're the government of the whole world is something the rest of the world tends to dislike for some reason.
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Old 01-13-2018, 10:44 AM
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It's always been people from shitholes who want to come here.
Hey! Stop ragging on Lithuanians!

Anyway, if you let lots more Scandinavians in, we'll wind up doubling the populations of Minnesota and South Dakota, and no one wants that.
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Old 01-13-2018, 10:58 AM
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How can this be? Norway is a social democracy, and indeed can fairly be called a "welfare state". Wouldn't Sven and Hendrik want to get away from that socialist shithole?

Well, maybe not ...
What is it, though, that makes the Scandinavians so different? Since the Democrats can’t tell you and the Republicans wouldn’t want you to know, let me offer you a quick introduction. What Scandinavians call the Nordic model is a smart and simple system that starts with a deep commitment to equality and democracy. That’s two concepts combined in a single goal because, as far as they’re concerned, you can’t have one without the other.

Right there, they part company with capitalist America, now the most unequal of all the developed nations, and consequently a democracy no more. Political scientists say it has become an oligarchy, run at the expense of its citizenry by and for the superrich. Perhaps you’ve noticed that.
https://www.thenation.com/article/af...ard-heres-why/
I highlighted a part of the article you quoted, because that bit stood out to me even before I read the article you linked to.
That bit right there is, to me, the entire point of the article, the rest is supporting data. I've thought this, said this to friends and family for the last twenty years.
Forget Norwegians coming here, how do I convince the government of Norway to let me go there? Is it too early to claim some sort of refugee status?
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Old 01-13-2018, 12:15 PM
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Hey! Stop ragging on Lithuanians!

Anyway, if you let lots more Scandinavians in, we'll wind up doubling the populations of Minnesota and South Dakota, and no one wants that.
From six citizens to eleven? Oh, the horror.

Isn't Norway shaped like a coke spoon?
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Old 01-13-2018, 12:36 PM
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I don't think there are long lines of people outside the US Embassy in Norway queueing up to get immigration papers to the US. If we end up making English fluency more of a requirement, that's going to be a big plus for the few Norwegians who might want to move here. I spent quite a bit of time in Norway and was floored by how virtually everyone I met seemed to speak excellent English.

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Old 01-13-2018, 02:58 PM
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We already have new Norway. It's called North Dakota (Minnesota is more Swedes). They could be fleeing the $13 for mediocre beer though.

And as usual, the Simpsons has a relevant episode.
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The shape of Africa can be seen as someone sittng on a toilet ... what does Scandinavia look like?
Google Image Search isn't cooperating for me, but Norway and Sweden and Finland look like a T Rex trying to eat Denmark.
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Old 01-13-2018, 03:40 PM
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The other day I was in a diner that I'd never been in before, and I mentioned to the waitress that I was thinking of moving to Norway.

"A-ha," she said, "you're one of those."

"One of those what?" I said.

"A-ha," she said again.

"A-ha?" I said.

"Yes," she said.

At that point I gave up. I wasn't going to get myself trapped in one of those Who's-on-First? conversations. She then handed me something and left. I thought perhaps it was a passport or a visa or a plane ticket or something that would help get me to Norway, but it turned out to be just a comic book. I opened it up to look through it, but I only got as far as the first page when a hand (that looked like a cartoon drawing) reached out and pulled me into it.

I looked around and saw that I was in this weird room with a pretty young woman.

She introduced herself. "I'm Bunty Bailey," she said, "and you're - A-ha?

"What?"

"A-ha," she said again, and I was afraid I was going to get into that ridiculous skit again, but then she said, "You're Morten Harket."

"No, I'm Wendell Wagner," I said.

"You've pulled me into here," she said.

"No, I didn't. You pulled me in," I said.

Then everything really got weird. Bunty and I found ourselves on opposite sides of a screen which alternately turned her and me into cartoon drawings. Meanwhile, music played in the background (with, strangely, someone singing in falsetto), and I began to catch flashes of rock musicians playing. The song was in English though, not in Norwegian. Then a motorcycle gang armed with wrenches attacked us, so Bunty and I ran away. At one point we came up against a blank wall, and somehow I was able to smash through it.

Then Bunty disappeared from my view. Suddenly I was in a hallway, but I was still a cartoon drawing. I went crazy and began hitting my head against the walls, and I slowly became a real person again while sprawled on the floor. I looked up and saw Bunty standing over me. I was about to get up and kiss her, but I began to think, "Do I really want a relationship with a crazy woman?", so I got up and ran out of the apartment building I was in. I had run several blocks before I thought to myself, "Of course I want a relationship with her. I'm desperate. I'll take a relationship with any woman, let alone one this pretty."

So I tried to go back to that apartment house, but I couldn't find it. I couldn't find the diner where I'd been in either. I was within walking distance of my apartment, so I just went home. Anyway, can someone send me the comic book I'd been looking at or whatever drug somehow got into my system to make me think I was with that woman? I'd just fly to Norway to look for her, but it's got a lot of fjords where I might get lost and never find her.
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Old 01-13-2018, 03:47 PM
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A-ha vs ABBA. Quien es mas macho?
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Old 01-13-2018, 04:09 PM
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Well, in the original meaning of the word, A-ha is three machos vs. ABBA having two. So, A-ha wins by number and by verb.
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Old 01-13-2018, 04:24 PM
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Well, in the original meaning of the word, A-ha is three machos vs. ABBA having two. So, A-ha wins by number and by verb.
But by the SNL rules, the obvious answer is:

SPOILER:
Neither of those groups is macho!
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Old 01-13-2018, 04:29 PM
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Old 01-14-2018, 09:57 AM
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http://iowapublicradio.org/post/trum...e-did#stream/0

It's hard to understand why this would be true: wouldn't traveling across the Atlantic be very expensive (in relative terms) back then? If you both poor and are living paycheck to paycheck (and the paychecks not all that regular)--or are a farmer mostly living on a subsistence level how could you save up the money for the trip?
I think that study has some major flaws, although that's based on a surface layman's reading. A substantial portion of the emigrants might be low on personal wealth and had low prospects, but their family might have the wealth to fund them, assuming this would improve their prospects. Norway was 90% farmers at the time, experiencing strong population growth and running low on readily available farms, so a second, or third, or fourth son might take their share of the inheritance and buy a ticket to America instead of overpaying for a poor farm or clearing the land previous generations hadn't bothered with.

To a lot of people the motivation wasn't to escape extreme poverty, it was to have a future as a farmer in a country where the culture still focused heavily on land ownership as symbol of status.

A lot of poorer people did go though through various methods.

Poorer families could, as have been mentioned, pool their resources and send one kid over. And in some regions the municipal charity board paid to send the poorest welfare recipients to America, figuring it was cheaper than paying them for years.
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Old 01-14-2018, 10:20 AM
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More people in America advocating for universal health care? Sounds good to me.
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Old 01-14-2018, 03:35 PM
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Norway was 90% farmers at the time, experiencing strong population growth and running low on readily available farms, so a second, or third, or fourth son might take their share of the inheritance and buy a ticket to America instead of overpaying for a poor farm or clearing the land previous generations hadn't bothered with.
In the 1800s, there really wasn't much unused, farmable land left in Norway. A quick look at a Norwegian farm name book will tell you that almost all of them had been around for centuries.

Not many people actually owned the land they farmed on. Better off people (or the church) tended to owned a lot of it. Some was owned by lesser farmers who passed the farm down to the oldest son.

The large majority of farmers were cotters or some such. They had the right to farm a part of a farm (and such rights could be inherited). These parts got subdivided over the centuries and could be quite tiny. Too tiny to live off of in many cases, esp. after paying rent on their plot.

So many cotters did outside work: fished, cut wood, etc.

Note that for basic farmers, there was no "inheritance" that was usable for buying a ticket to emigrate. The oldest son might try to sell his farm rights, but that was going to be an issue and then some with the rest of the family.

A few people had enough resources to move to America on their own. They'd then send money back for more family members to come and from there it cascaded. It was viewed as an important family obligation to help others emigrate.

There were also business people who paid passage for servants to come to America in return for a set amount of servitude. A lot of tales of young women coming to America to be maids, promising their families that they'd return once they had enough money for a good dowry. And of course they found a Norwegian bachelor farmer, got married and stayed.
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Old 01-14-2018, 06:38 PM
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Do these people in those shitholes expect us to hold up a lamp to some kind of golden door to America just so they can send us a bunch of huddled, homeless masses? What the hell are we supposed to do with all that human refuse?
I know what we should do but I'm not at liberty to say.
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Old 01-14-2018, 06:55 PM
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Come on, you Weegies would love it here.

You can lose your house because you got cancer.

Income inequality is as bad as Argentina.

Conservative politicians are anti-democracy extremists and both parties work for the rich.

The president is an embarrassment.

Leave your homeland and come live here. You shant regret it.
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Come on, you Weegies would love it here.

You can lose your house because you got cancer.

Income inequality is as bad as Argentina.

Conservative politicians are anti-democracy extremists and both parties work for the rich.

The president is an embarrassment.

Leave your homeland and come live here. You shant regret it.
I know, America is such a shithole. We'd be doing Mexicans a FAVOR if we put up a wall.

Right?
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Are there any statistics available on how many Norwegians have actually immigrated to the US in the last, say, 10 years?
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I know, America is such a shithole. We'd be doing Mexicans a FAVOR if we put up a wall.

Right?
We have very serious problems compared to many developed nations. Our health care sucks, plutocrats rule the country, a good chunk of the public and politicians are insane. Saying 'we're better than Mexico' isn't saying much seeing how we are much wealthier and more educated.

Mexico recently implemented universal health care. They may need a wall to keep out all the people traveling to get medical care.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/fe...versal-health/
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In 2016, 1,114 Norwegians emigrated to the U.S. and 1,603 Americans emigrated to Norway:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...113-story.html
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Are there any statistics available on how many Norwegians have actually immigrated to the US in the last, say, 10 years?
Yes, you can get a detailed spreadsheet here.

I haven't bothered to total the numbers but here's the general gist of it and some numbers from 2016, the latest year available. The number of immigrants from Norway to the US is essentially zip, 22,669 out a total immigration of 43,738,901, or 0.05% of total immigration that year, and from a quick eyeballing that is the smallest number of any country that is individually identified -- compare, say, to immigration from China at 2,519,964 and India at 2,205,912. The number is small enough that corporate transfers and other job-related necessity probably accounts for almost all of it. Norwegians seem to prefer Norway.
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The number is small enough that corporate transfers and other job-related necessity probably accounts for almost all of it. Norwegians seem to prefer Norway.
The rest would fall under "graduate school" and "to be with SO", according to my left elbow. Note that the data does not refer to people who acquired US citizenship, but to people of X nationality who were not US citizens and were residing in the US; that is, it includes people going there for things such as a year-long student exchange.
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I should point out that the relative raw numbers of people who emigrate from country X to country Y and those who emigrate from country Y to country X don't prove much. Given that the population of the U.S. in 2016 was about 323,100,000 and the population of Norway in 2016 was about 5,213,000, this would mean that about 1,603/323,100,000 = .000496131% of the people in the U.S. moved to Norway and about 1,114/5,213,000 = 0.021369652% of the people in Norway moved to the U.S. in that year. So if you looked at the percentage of the population rather than the raw number, you could claim that it was 43 times as common for Norwegians as Americans to emigrate to the other country.

This proves nothing except what the relative populations of the countries presently are. Look at the populations in 1900 instead. At that point the population of Norway was about 2,231,000 and the population of the U.S. was about 76,212,000. So at that point the U.S. had about 34 times as many people as Norway, as opposed to about 61 times as many people that the U.S. has today than Norway has today. The amount of land in the U.S. is about 26 times as much as in Norway. So the U.S. has gone from being slightly more populated per area to being noticeably more populated per area from 1900 to 2016.

As has already been pointed out, the shifts of people today between the U.S. and Norway are probably mostly about where a couple decides to live after getting married when one is American and one is Norwegian and the cases where someone in a corporate job moves from one country to the other.
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And why are the Norwegians so desperate to get more accordionists to play "Take On Me" than they're stealing them from North Korea?
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I should point out that the relative raw numbers of people who emigrate from country X to country Y and those who emigrate from country Y to country X don't prove much. Given that the population of the U.S. in 2016 was about 323,100,000 and the population of Norway in 2016 was about 5,213,000, this would mean that about 1,603/323,100,000 = .000496131% of the people in the U.S. moved to Norway and about 1,114/5,213,000 = 0.021369652% of the people in Norway moved to the U.S. in that year. So if you looked at the percentage of the population rather than the raw number, you could claim that it was 43 times as common for Norwegians as Americans to emigrate to the other country.

This proves nothing except what the relative populations of the countries presently are. Look at the populations in 1900 instead. At that point the population of Norway was about 2,231,000 and the population of the U.S. was about 76,212,000. So at that point the U.S. had about 34 times as many people as Norway, as opposed to about 61 times as many people that the U.S. has today than Norway has today. The amount of land in the U.S. is about 26 times as much as in Norway. So the U.S. has gone from being slightly more populated per area to being noticeably more populated per area from 1900 to 2016.

As has already been pointed out, the shifts of people today between the U.S. and Norway are probably mostly about where a couple decides to live after getting married when one is American and one is Norwegian and the cases where someone in a corporate job moves from one country to the other.
Generally, I'd expect the threshold for moving from Norway to the US is lower than the other way around.

Norwegians learn English in school from an early age, and are generally fluent. Furthermore, US TV shows and movies transmit at least a superficial understanding of the culture. An American moving to Norway won't generally have either of these advantages.
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In 2016, 1,114 Norwegians emigrated to the U.S. and 1,603 Americans emigrated to Norway:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...113-story.html
Yeah, but we have almost 100x as many people, so looking at raw numbers is meaningless (5M people vs 300M). On a percent basis, there is much more immigration from Norway than to Norway. That is to say, your average Norwegian is much more likely to emigrate to the US than the average American is likely to emigrate to Norway.

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John Mace, did you not notice that I said almost exactly the same thing in post #43, except that I bothered to look up the numbers so that I could say that the population of the U.S. is about 61 times as much instead of just "almost 100x as many."
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Generally, I'd expect the threshold for moving from Norway to the US is lower than the other way around.

Norwegians learn English in school from an early age, and are generally fluent. Furthermore, US TV shows and movies transmit at least a superficial understanding of the culture. An American moving to Norway won't generally have either of these advantages.
So most everyone in Norway speaks English and American culture is rampant in Norway. How is that a disadvantage for Americans moving to Norway?

On topic: Ikke faen i hælvete om jeg noengang flytter til Amerika. Om hælvete fryser til is, så flytter jeg heller dit. Der har de i det minste et mer forståelig politisk system.
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So most everyone in Norway speaks English and American culture is rampant in Norway. How is that a disadvantage for Americans moving to Norway?

On topic: Ikke faen i hælvete om jeg noengang flytter til Amerika. Om hælvete fryser til is, så flytter jeg heller dit. Der har de i det minste et mer forståelig politisk system.
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Yeah, but we have almost 100x as many people, so looking at raw numbers is meaningless (5M people vs 300M). On a percent basis, there is much more immigration from Norway than to Norway. That is to say, your average Norwegian is much more likely to emigrate to the US than the average American is likely to emigrate to Norway.
Looking at it as a "per capita" thing though is still oversimplifying. The Americans are moving to a tiny economy, the Norwegians are moving to a giant one. A convenient proxy for total precision might be to look at percentages of overall emigration.
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