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Old 01-20-2018, 03:25 PM
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NFL Conference Championships

13:05 et

jax @ ne

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min @ phi
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Old 01-20-2018, 03:33 PM
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The NFC game starts at 6:40 AM?
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Old 01-20-2018, 03:38 PM
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My sources give the following start times (EST):
Jaguars at Patriots - 15:05 (3:05 pm)
Vikings at Eagles - 18:40 (6:40 pm)

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Woops, the 1 was a typo.

3:05PM ET and 6:40PM ET.
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Old 01-20-2018, 03:44 PM
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Based on having picked the Saints to beat the Vikings and the Steelers to dominate the Jags, I've decided I have no business making football predictions.

Que sera sera.
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Old 01-20-2018, 03:54 PM
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Four of the top five scoring defenses in the NFL are in the conference championships (sorry #3 rated Chargers). And Brady is the only starting QB for those teams that can legitimately be considered elite or even (although I hate the term) a "Franchise QB". Makes me happy.

Having the Jags beat the Patriots would make me even more happy. I just don't see it happening.
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Old 01-20-2018, 03:56 PM
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Having the Jags beat the Patriots would make me even more happy. I just don't see it happening.
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Was Tom Brady considered an elite quarterback before he won the first Super Bowl? (Serious question)

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Old 01-20-2018, 04:26 PM
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Brady is 11 years older than Foles and Keenum, 15 years older than Bortles. Somehow this "been around a lot longer" never enters into the OMG FAMOUS QB VERSUS THREE NOBODIES trope.

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Old 01-20-2018, 04:29 PM
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Right now at footballLocks.com it’s:

NE -7.5 vs JAX
MIN -3 @ PHI


And the lines for possible Super Bowl matchups are:

NE -2 over MIN
JAX -2.5 over PHI
MIN -5.5 over JAX
NE -7 over PHI


I love it that 3 teams have a chance to win their first-ever Super Bowl, and of those it would be JAX’s first-ever trip to one. I think Brady is the QB GOAT, but if he plays an off game like the first about 3 quarters of last year’s Super Bowl, then one of those three new teams will win it. Pretty cool.



I still have the Minneapolis Miracle on DVD and I re-watched the final 5:30. Amazing. The score then was MIN 20 - NO 14, and in that final 5:30 there was a blocked punt, 4 lead changes, and 20 points of scoring. Incredible!

• 5:28 — NO blocks MIN punt
• 3:01 — NO 21 @ MIN 20
• 1:34 — NO 21 @ MIN 23
• 0:29 — NO 24 @ MIN 23
• 0:00 — NO 24 @ MIN 30! — the Minneapolis Miracle!
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Old 01-20-2018, 04:33 PM
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I would love to see a Vikings vs Jaguars Super Bowl. I doubt that’s going to happen.
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Old 01-20-2018, 04:34 PM
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Was Tom Brady considered an elite quarterback before he won the first Super Bowl? (Serious question)
(I interpret “before he won the first Super Bowl” to mean, quite literally, after he and the Pats won the AFC Conference championship)

Brady was good, but it was his first year as a regular starter taking over when Drew Bledsoe got injured. That he took over like that, as a young unseasoned kid, and took the Pats to the Super Bowl and won it, is a great story. (cf. Kurt Warner)

The direct answer to your question, clearly and by far, is an unequivocal NO.

He became elite adterwards, though, to be the QB GOAT.
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Old 01-20-2018, 04:35 PM
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Was Tom Brady considered an elite quarterback before he won the first Super Bowl? (Serious question)
He won his first Super Bowl in his first season as a starter, his second season in the NFL. He started the final fourteen games of the season, going 11-3. Granted, he had a hell of a defense when he started (and Belichick is a defensive coach, no matter what craziness he's devised for his offenses), which helped tremendously, but he's been playing at the current crazy level pretty much from his third start until today.
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I doubt any of the other three will have Tom Brady-like careers, but it seems that the pundits should have enough reflective capacity to see they are judging relatively young quarterbacks against a seasoned one when they sneer at the other three and rend their garments because it won't be Brady-Brees.
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Old 01-20-2018, 05:00 PM
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He was barely able to beat out Drew Henson at Michigan, and was drafted in the sixth round.

He wasn't universally considered an elite QB even after winning his first SB, either.
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Old 01-20-2018, 05:20 PM
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Brady was good, but it was his first year as a regular starter taking over when Drew Bledsoe got injured. That he took over like that, as a young unseasoned kid, and took the Pats to the Super Bowl and won it, is a great story. (cf. Kurt Warner)
That was also the year of the "tuck rule game" - in fact, there were jokes made after the Super Bowl along the lines of, "What was the first team to win the Super Bowl after losing a playoff game in the same season?"
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That was also the year of the "tuck rule game" - in fact, there were jokes made after the Super Bowl along the lines of, "What was the first team to win the Super Bowl after losing a playoff game in the same season?"
Yeah, sour grapes. He was still a good-but-not-yet-elite QB.
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I would love to see a Vikings vs Jaguars Super Bowl. I doubt that’s going to happen.
Not likely, but agree, it would be very cool to see.
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Some strange demon tormenting my soul wants to see the Eagles in the SB, just because of how nicely it would mess up the Early Pick game.
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Some strange demon tormenting my soul wants to see the Eagles in the SB, just because of how nicely it would mess up the Early Pick game.
May as well hand the Pats the Lombardi trophy two weeks early, in that case.
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Old 01-20-2018, 09:07 PM
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Not likely, but agree, it would be very cool to see.
Agreed -- if the Packers aren't a possibility, I love seeing a team that hasn't won in a long time (if ever) get a chance. So, anyone but the Pats, for me.
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Old 01-20-2018, 10:21 PM
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Yeah, we are *very* used to that. But thanks for the reminder, I'd set my alarm for the wrong time. It's 4 AM not 5 AM.
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• 0:00 — NO 24 @ MIN 30! — the Minneapolis Miracle!
It was actually NO 24 MN 29 – the Vikes took a knee on the 2pt conversion. For spectators, it made no diff, but for gamblers, the closing line was Minnesota -5.5, which means that bets on the Saints paid off. For a fan, line-betting on the black-and-gold, it must have been a bittersweet consolation prize.
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Old 01-21-2018, 03:31 AM
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I can't decide whom to root for, other than "anyone but the Patriots". It's not because I hate the team so much (after all, they regularly whip the hated Stealers, so that was always good) but a desire for another, or rather, an "unlikely" team to win it this time.

Being a Bengals fan (and footsore and morose for the team retaining Marvin Lewis and not hiring Mike Zimmer for the HC job here) I will root for Zimmer and the Vikes in the NFC. I will also root for the Jags, but (even though I said this about their chances of beating the Stealers in the AFC divisional round) I just don't think they can pull it off against the Patriots.

Ultimately my vote goes SKOL for Case Keenum, the erstwhile perrenial backup and the Vikings. Mike Zimmer is the fucking man. I love that guy.
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Old 01-21-2018, 06:57 AM
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It was actually NO 24 MN 29 – the Vikes took a knee on the 2pt conversion. For spectators, it made no diff, but for gamblers, the closing line was Minnesota -5.5, which means that bets on the Saints paid off. For a fan, line-betting on the black-and-gold, it must have been a bittersweet consolation prize.
Didn’t the Vikings kick the PAT?
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Old 01-21-2018, 08:02 AM
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Didn’t the Vikings kick the PAT?
They did not. Apparently the rules require a conversion, even at 0:00 when it makes no difference whatsoever. They would have been happy to leave the field and celebrate, but they had to do the play. So they lined up for 2 and took a knee, so that NO could not score any defensive points (which would have been 2, so it could not have mattered anyway).
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Old 01-21-2018, 08:06 AM
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They did not. Apparently the rules require a conversion, even at 0:00 when it makes no difference whatsoever. They would have been happy to leave the field and celebrate, but they had to do the play. So they lined up for 2 and took a knee, so that NO could not score any defensive points (which would have been 2, so it could not have mattered anyway).
Thanks. The final score then was 29-24.

Agree, to line up for the point(s) after, in that situation, is stupid. I hope the Rules Committee fixes that.
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Thanks. The final score then was 29-24.

Agree, to line up for the point(s) after, in that situation, is stupid. I hope the Rules Committee fixes that.
I doubt that they will. It would be like “fixing” the fumble->touchback rule that seems to make some viewers very unhappy but for which there is no other sensible alternative.

You see, in the regular season, points can matter even if they do not affect the W/L posting. Total points scored is like the 37th* tiebreaker for wildcards and seeding, so most teams will go for the PAT (or take a knee if a turn-around score could change the outcome). The fact that it does not matter in the playoffs would mean they would have to add one more edge-case rule. Because, you know, officials are morons who cannot decide on sensible situational exceptions.


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Cool.



ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL??!!??

I looked up and compiled when teams first appeared in a Super Bowl, by NFL season (somebody check my work):

Never: Jaguars Lions Browns* Texans
2008: Cardinals
2005: Seahawks
2003: Panthers
2002: Buccaneers
2000: Ravens (Browns*)
1999: Titans (Oilers)
1998: Falcons
1994: Chargers
1990: Bills
1986: Giants
1985: Bears Patriots (XX)
1981: 49ers Bengals (XVI)
1980: Eagles
1979: Rams
1977: Broncos
1973: Steelers
1972: Redskins
1971: Dolphins
1970: Cowboys
1969: Vikings
1968: Jets Colts (III)
1967: Raiders
1966: Packers Chiefs (I)


Will 2017 be for the Jaguars? Will the hard-luck Vikings (currently 0-4) win their first Super Bowl? What about the 0-2 Eagles?

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G O E A G L E S !!!

The Eagles can and will win this one. I love the Vikings this year too. Got a lot of friends that root for Vikings. (I call them the Purple People.) They have an incredible team. But I think they used up their miracle too soon. If the Vikes win, I'll be rooting for them all the way in the SB.

The Jaguars are going to win. How? Not sure. But I just have this feeling that Coughlin will be more of a defense guy than a VP of football operations today. That and I just can't deal with another dream team coming into the SB, struggling with injuries, outstanding record to only be beaten by Brady and crew.
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The PRO is killing the Pats so far. Go Jags.
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Old 01-21-2018, 03:20 PM
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Here come the refs to the pats rescue per usual.
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It's already clear that, with or without Gronk, the Jags have the personnel to defeat New England. It's just a question of whether or not they have the poise not to make critical mistakes and whether Marrone's coaching staff can counter the inevitable coaching adjustments that Belichick will make in the 3rd quarter. The Jags remind me of a younger, possibly more athletic version of the 2012 Ravens. They probably have more raw talent than the Ravens did, but the Ravens had experience. Will the Jags win or will the moment be too great? We shall see.

As for Gronk, he's important but the Pats can still win without him. It's Brady who's the critical piece. If the Jags can rough Brady up or possibly nail him with a blind side hit, it would be the 1990 NFC title game all over again.

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Here come the refs to the pats rescue per usual.
No shit. That PI call was a travesty and gifted the Patriots their TD. When both guys are putting their hands on each other like that, and it's questionable as to whether the pass was even catchable, you don't throw that flag. Utter rubbish.
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They said the pats scored before the half in 14 out of18 games. I bet half of those were set up by their patented Brady chucks it and PI is called play.
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Huge turnover on a nice play by Myles Jack. Pats defense playing much better. Fun game!
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It's already clear that, with or without Gronk, the Jags have the personnel to defeat New England. It's just a question of whether or not they have the poise not to make critical mistakes and whether Marrone's coaching staff can counter the inevitable coaching adjustments that Belichick will make in the 3rd quarter. The Jags remind me of a younger, possibly more athletic version of the 2012 Ravens. They probably have more raw talent than the Ravens did, but the Ravens had experience. Will the Jags win or will the moment be too great? We shall see.

As for Gronk, he's important but the Pats can still win without him. It's Brady who's the critical piece. If the Jags can rough Brady up or possibly nail him with a blind side hit, it would be the 1990 NFC title game all over again.
The moment was too great.
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I think I wore out my mute button with that hyper-annoying color commentator on CBS. So now the Lions have to wait until after the Super Bowl for Patricia to be named head coach. Oh well.
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Go Pats! Not pretty at all, and Jax is for real.
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Old 01-21-2018, 05:17 PM
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Goats beat Jags ��
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Old 01-21-2018, 05:38 PM
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I know I'm biased as a Browns fan, but the rating slump seems to agree: the NFL has reached its most boring point in a long time.
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That would be Tony Romo.
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I know I'm biased as a Browns fan, but the rating slump seems to agree: the NFL has reached its most boring point in a long time.
That was an amazingly fun game to watch though. I can't imagine finding that game borung.
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The result is boring. New England going to the superbowl for the 9000th time while their obnoxious bandwagon fans act like they did something to deserve it is boring.
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So I hate the Patriots. They run a good organization, blah blah, so in order to protect myself emotionally, I bet money on them (money line, not point spread, I never bet point spread), that way at least I'll feel better when they inevitably win. I should've bet a lot more money because it didn't really work.

Regarding that fumble not a fumble call...anyone want to go over that for me? I stopped watching the game at a certain point (some training to do) and only saw a few replays of it postgame. For one thing, it looked like an obvious fumble and for another thing it didn't look like it ever touched the ground. Help me out here, what am I missing?
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Which play do you mean, the one where Jack stripped the ball after the throwback pass? It doesn’t matter whether the ball hits the ground or not, only whether the runner loses control of it.
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That was a horrible throw by Keenum. I understand he was hit, but there was no way he should have thrown it.
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