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Old 02-20-2018, 07:39 AM
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Trump's ongoing collusion

What does it take? Every time he broaches the subject of Russia he is colluding with him. He is fully cooperating with their effort to interfere with the democratic process, he is covering up their illegal activities. There's no need to prove prior coordination between Trump and Putin, there's no need for it to exist, just as in a criminal conspiracy they are both acting in furtherance of a crime. And he is not alone, that little rat Nunes, Ryan, McConnell, and all the rest of the usual suspects are participating as well. Why are we sleeping while this continues?
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Old 02-20-2018, 08:35 AM
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But there was no collusion. He tweets that, in capitals, every night from his porcelain throne. So it must be true.
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Old 02-20-2018, 08:40 AM
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Crooked Donnie!
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Old 02-20-2018, 08:43 AM
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What does it take? Every time he broaches the subject of Russia he is colluding with him. He is fully cooperating with their effort to interfere with the democratic process, he is covering up their illegal activities. There's no need to prove prior coordination between Trump and Putin, there's no need for it to exist, just as in a criminal conspiracy they are both acting in furtherance of a crime. And he is not alone, that little rat Nunes, Ryan, McConnell, and all the rest of the usual suspects are participating as well. Why are we sleeping while this continues?
That's the million dollar question - why are we sleeping? We were asleep during the 2016 election that's for sure. What it comes down to is simple apathy. People are lazy. It will take a full on Constitutional crisis to awaken them, and then it may be too late. We'll see.
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Old 02-20-2018, 08:50 AM
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Hey, Vlad told Donnie that nothing happened, and Donnie (the MOST perceptive judge of character around) believes him. What more do you want? END THIS WITCHHUNT NOW!!!
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Old 02-20-2018, 10:51 AM
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Trump even tricked Michael Moore into colluding with Russia! Moore appeared at the covertly Russian-funded* anti-Trump rally in New York on November 12, unwittingly supporting the goals and aims of Vladimir Putin! The outrage!



* Per Mr. Mueller's indictment.
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Old 02-20-2018, 11:03 AM
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Hey, Vlad told Donnie that nothing happened, and Donnie (the MOST perceptive judge of character around) believes him.
Even Dubya did:
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Something about Pooty-Poot makes it easy for him to fool Republican Presidents.
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Old 02-20-2018, 11:31 AM
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That's the million dollar question - why are we sleeping? We were asleep during the 2016 election that's for sure. What it comes down to is simple apathy. People are lazy. It will take a full on Constitutional crisis to awaken them, and then it may be too late. We'll see.
And don't forget gullible. And selfish. And xenophobic. It's playin' right into his little hands!
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Old 02-20-2018, 11:48 AM
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Just about every other tweet (how did we get to a place where the President 'tweets') trump claims -

NO COLLUSION!

NO COLLUSION!

"I'm innocent, just don't search the closet!"

He uses exclamation marks like a school girl coming back from her first field trip. He's as grounded as a 5 year old boy chasing leaves in the yard on a windy day.

Every person that voted for this obviously unstable 'man' has some ownership of this mess. Every. One. Of. Them.
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Old 02-20-2018, 11:54 AM
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What do you expect us to do? As long as it's a Republican Congress metaphorically standing guard outside Trump's bedroom as he metaphorically rapes the Constitution there's nothing we can do other than make sure there's a changing of the guard in November.
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Old 02-20-2018, 12:45 PM
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Even Dubya did: Something about Pooty-Poot makes it easy for him to fool Republican Presidents.
'I'll have more flexibility after the election' - not a Republican President
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Obama was talking about, well, people like you.
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'I'll have more flexibility after the election' - not a Republican President
Serious question. If one of the people who are already cooperating with the FBI outlines illegal activities within the Trump campaign and directly implicates Trump himself, will you change your mind? Are you willing to plant a flag somewhere ahead of time, or is it all just justification after the fact?
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Serious question. If one of the people who are already cooperating with the FBI outlines illegal activities within the Trump campaign and directly implicates Trump himself, will you change your mind? Are you willing to plant a flag somewhere ahead of time, or is it all just justification after the fact?
It's cute when they still believe in Republican good-faith...
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Old 02-20-2018, 01:16 PM
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Serious question. If one of the people who are already cooperating with the FBI outlines illegal activities within the Trump campaign and directly implicates Trump himself, will you change your mind? Are you willing to plant a flag somewhere ahead of time, or is it all just justification after the fact?
If there is clear and convincing evidence that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election, I'll support his impeachment.

As to your question, it would probably depend on the nature of the illegal activity outlined. Jay-walking? No. Some serious felony? Yes.
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If there is clear and convincing evidence that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election, I'll support his impeachment.

As to your question, it would probably depend on the nature of the illegal activity outlined. Jay-walking? No. Some serious felony? Yes.
Agreed. Glad to hear it. I guess we just differ in how we are assessing the likelihood of that. My assessment is that the odds that Trump has committed some serious felonious money laundering is pretty damn high. I guess you are assessing his honesty higher than I am.

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Old 02-20-2018, 02:15 PM
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Serious question. If one of the people who are already cooperating with the FBI outlines illegal activities within the Trump campaign and directly implicates Trump himself, will you change your mind? Are you willing to plant a flag somewhere ahead of time, or is it all just justification after the fact?
A question in response - if Muleller's investigation clears the President of any collusion, will you (and others on this site) accept the conclusion, or continue t0 hold that, somehow, Trump MUST be guilty of collusion even if Mueller couldn't find it?
I can see this Collusion Conspiracists eventually turning into something like the 9-11 Truthers or the Waco Conspiracists, continuing to argue their case for decades into the future on message boards and obscure websites.
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Old 02-20-2018, 02:21 PM
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Yeah mean like the Hillary "lock her up" cultists? Or the "George Soros is manipulating school shooting survivors" loonies? Or the "Obama is a secret Kenyan Muslim" cranks like the president?

To answer your question, if Mueller clears Trump of any wrongdoing, I will accept it. Will you accept it if the opposite happens? I notice you never answered that question...
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A question in response - if Muleller's investigation clears the President of any collusion, will you (and others on this site) accept the conclusion, or continue t0 hold that, somehow, Trump MUST be guilty of collusion even if Mueller couldn't find it?
I can see this Collusion Conspiracists eventually turning into something like the 9-11 Truthers or the Waco Conspiracists, continuing to argue their case for decades into the future on message boards and obscure websites.
So you are into the "projection" game. You are describing a certain bubble that we can recognize, but it's closer to home for you. Just take another look. Almost a negative image...

Trump has to go whether he is a colluder or a patsy, or an "asset" of another government. I only want to know which it is for the closure of it. I have devoted a lot of time to this reality shit show and I want to know how it ends.

Nobody on the left needs donald to be a colluder, or needs anything that badly enough to engage in the kind of conspiracy lies that have been coming out non stop for over a solid year now. We don't need it for our truth or our justice. That seems to be on track. On the right, they do need something else. There is a difference.
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Old 02-20-2018, 03:33 PM
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If it's proven that there is no collusion/conspiracy? OK I'll let him off on that.

He's still on the hook for Obstruction of Justice (he admitted it live on national TV). And god knows what else. (Bribery, money laundering, possible misuse of election funds to pay off a porn star, using his political position for personal gain [I forget what that act is called]). And basically failing to fulfill his duties as president. How many posts are vacant? The list is long.

Not to mention that congress can impeach for just about any reason. Being an insulting, narcissistic, misogynistic, racist moron that cares about nothing other than himself is enough for me to impeach. He is an insult to American ideals and making a laughing stock of us to the rest of the world. How about you Arizona Mike? If he is cleared of what amounts to treason, are you going to give him a pass on everything else?
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Old 02-20-2018, 03:56 PM
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...As for Romney "knowing" the world better than Obama, this is a guy whose first diplomatic initiative as nominee was to go piss off the British. Some of us didn't think that was even possible.

You're welcome.
Hey, hey hey. No playing favorites. trump has pissed off the British, the Australians and Germany. And CANADA for gods sake.

And Mexico of course (they are just mostly laughing at us though).
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Old 02-20-2018, 04:02 PM
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Right. Diplomatic overtures are clear evidence of treason. As opposed to calling for Russian hacking, refusing to enforce duly-passed and bipartisan sanctions, doing nothing about said hacking, denying that it exists in the face of all evidence to the contrary, attempting to take down the institutions that are investigating all of the above..
...claiming to be tougher than Obama on Russia while not enforcing sanctions...
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I don't think he was colluding because Gepetto does not consult Pinocchio.

And Trump very likely does not believe he was laundering money, he believes that rich Russian investors shrewdly realize what a real estate genius he is. Sure, some of them have rather a rough history, but that's how you know these are hard-nosed, no-nonsense people!

Who would conspire with a dim-witted motormouth? "The bodies are buried in Paul Manafort's back yard, but don't tweet that!". Ten minutes, max.
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...claiming to be tougher than Obama on Russia while not enforcing sanctions...
Eh, that's a given. If the WH kitchen runs out of double-scoops of vanilla ice cream, it's Obama's fault.
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Old 02-20-2018, 08:08 PM
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Mueller is just the beginning of the Trump investigations.

It isn't like when Mueller is done we can wrap everything up and never discuss it again.

We still need to investigate Russian money being laundered through the republican party via groups like the NRA (supposedly they got $30 million in Russian money to fund republican races).

We need to investigate all of Trump's sex crimes and sexual behavior. All the women he paid off, the rumors of forced abortions, the sexual abuse allegations.

All the crimes his administration has committed in office (security clearance issues, not using secure communications, emoluments abuses, etc).

If a democrat wins in 2020, I hope they appoint another special counsel to investigate all this crap. And if the democrats win one house of congress in 2018 they need to investigate these things and pass their findings onto law enforcement.

If the GOP can investigate BenGhazi 7 times, all this stuff deserves at minimum 10 investigations each. Plus any other crime Trump, his family, his administration or the GOP committed.
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Old 02-20-2018, 08:38 PM
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... I guess we just differ in how we are assessing the likelihood of that. ...
That's probably a safe bet.

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... My assessment is that the odds that Trump has committed some serious felonious money laundering is pretty damn high. ...
I'm genuinely curious: Have you watched or read something that led you to this conclusion? Or is it based off more of a general sense of Trump's overall character without specific evidence of a crime available?

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... I guess you are assessing his honesty higher than I am.
It's really got very little to do with his honesty (or lack thereof). I just haven't personally seen any evidence that even begins to approach the "clear and convincing" standard I gave earlier. That's a good thing, in my eyes, because it means Mueller's investigation isn't leaking (if they have such evidence), but I think it means we're going to have to wait for the investigation to end ... unless there's something I've missed that you think I should be aware of.
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Old 02-20-2018, 09:33 PM
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A question in response - if Muleller's investigation clears the President of any collusion, will you (and others on this site) accept the conclusion, or continue t0 hold that, somehow, Trump MUST be guilty of collusion even if Mueller couldn't find it?
I can see this Collusion Conspiracists eventually turning into something like the 9-11 Truthers or the Waco Conspiracists, continuing to argue their case for decades into the future on message boards and obscure websites.
Wait wait wait... are you under the impression that the only thing Mueller is investigating is the possible collusion? I don’t think there was much, if any, outright Collusion. But there sure as hell was Obstruction of Justice and probably some Money Laundering at some point too.
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... probably some Money Laundering at some point too.
Same question for you: what's your basis for this belief?
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Same question for you: what's your basis for this belief?
Real estate sold to Russian Oligarchs
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Thank goodness for collusion. If only “Great Leaders” through history would have colluded, the masses would have been spared much torment.

The idea that the charges in the indictment amount to anything more than trivial polliticking is a slap in the face to the armies of highly paid campaign consultants, seasoned “operatives”, and mass-broadcast pundits who participated in the election.

This is probably why there is so much anxiety in the mainstream and leftist media and those plugged into it. The idea that they and those like them are not pulling every string is definitely an existential threat to their dreams of domination. The “experts” think they were upstaged by the Unanointed.

The truth is, the vast majority of people just don’t care about what the political “experts” think.
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By the way, all that begging that Obama did.....Did Putin actually end up giving him more space?
It looked to me like Vladimir Putin just laughed at Barry the Nincompoop and TOOK more space, by invading US close ally Ukraine.
There're 2 possibilities here: either Obama directly colluded with Russia (remember his and Hillary's laughable "reset" policy with the greatest geopolitical threat US faced, coupled with Clinton's Foundation inept attempts to shake down the Russians out of cool half a mil) or he was the most incompetent and gullible President ever.
The US initiated a coup in Ukraine and Russia secured its holding in Crimea. The US retaliated with imposing sanctions and backing nazi militias who made war on ethnic Russians, just like the old times.
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Same question for you: what's your basis for this belief?
The rationale for probable cause to develop evidence is that the Trump organization engaged in a pattern of business dealings that suggest money-laundering. More below:

Sales of Trump properties suggestive of money laundering.
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“There were a lot of real estate deals where you couldn’t really tell who was buying the property,” Simpson said. “And sometimes properties would be bought and sold, and they would be bought for one price and sold for a loss shortly thereafter, and it really didn’t make sense to us.”

“We saw patterns of buying and selling that we thought were suggestive of money-laundering,” he continued.
There's a potential for Russian leverage here
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The theory is that both sides would have something to gain. For Russian oligarchs and mobsters, there’s a need to launder money. “Generally speaking, the patterns of activity that we thought might be suggestive of money laundering were, you know, fast turnover deals and deals where there seemed to have been efforts to disguise the identity of the buyer,” Simpson told the committee in November. Trump, meanwhile, was in need of liquidity, because many banks were unwilling to do business with him after a corporate bankruptcy, and Russian buyers could provide quick infusions of cash. In other cases, the Trump Organization has appeared to have gone out of its way to avoid doing due diligence on business partners.

But while Simpson saw disturbing patterns, he was unable to nail anything down, because he couldn’t get the relevant records from banks and other financial institutions.
So what we have is probable cause to gather evidence. House Republicans are doing everything in their power to thwart the evidence-gathering process, so any Republican calls to "show me the evidence" are easily seen as a joke. However, if Mueller's special prosecution is doing any due diligence at all, then they are in the process of gathering such evidence.
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You mean, Donald Trump refused to beg Putin for more space, while launching a missile strike against Russia's closest ally
That'll be the missile strike Trump gave Russia (and thus Syria) advance warning of, against an airbase that was still operational and launching attacks hours afterwards?

Wow...he really showed them.

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The US initiated a coup in Ukraine and Russia secured its holding in Crimea. The US retaliated with imposing sanctions and backing nazi militias who made war on ethnic Russians, just like the old times.
...according to Russian trolls, but not actual reality. Russia didn't "secure its holdings in Crimea"; it "secured" the entire fucking Crimea.
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A question in response - if Muleller's investigation clears the President of any collusion, will you (and others on this site) accept the conclusion, or continue t0 hold that, somehow, Trump MUST be guilty of collusion even if Mueller couldn't find it?
I can see this Collusion Conspiracists eventually turning into something like the 9-11 Truthers or the Waco Conspiracists, continuing to argue their case for decades into the future on message boards and obscure websites.
If it is allowed to continue unimpeded, then yes. But, if he is found to have obstructed the investigation, then he needs to go obviously.

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Thank goodness for collusion. If only “Great Leaders” through history would have colluded, the masses would have been spared much torment.
Please develop this hypothetical further. Name the Great Leaders you have in mind, name the acts of collusion, and describe the end state under which the masses would have benefitted. This should be fun.
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Please develop this hypothetical further. Name the Great Leaders you have in mind, name the acts of collusion, and describe the end state under which the masses would have benefitted. This should be fun.
The good news is that the goalposts have shifted from "no collusion, you're all crazy libtards" to "we colluded for your own good".
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Please develop this hypothetical further. Name the Great Leaders you have in mind, name the acts of collusion, and describe the end state under which the masses would have benefitted. This should be fun.
Lincoln colludes with Davis to allow secession in return for a significant payoff. Mass bloodshed and tyranny avoided. Slavery concludes as it did in Brazil. Occupation of the South is unnecessary.

Cousins collude in Russia and Austria after the assassination. End of civilization avoided.

List goes on. . .
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The good news is that the goalposts have shifted from "no collusion, you're all crazy libtards" to "we colluded for your own good".
I never claimed there was no collusion. I favored a Clinton victory once I was made aware of her crony Russian deals. Collusion means peace.
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Just about every other tweet (how did we get to a place where the President 'tweets') trump claims -

NO COLLUSION!

NO COLLUSION!

"I'm innocent, just don't search the closet!"
Methinks the circus peanut doth protest too much.

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If it's proven that there is no collusion/conspiracy? OK I'll let him off on that.

He's still on the hook for Obstruction of Justice (he admitted it live on national TV). And god knows what else. (Bribery, money laundering, possible misuse of election funds to pay off a porn star, using his political position for personal gain [I forget what that act is called]).
Emoluments. But that doesn’t apply to Trump because his sons are running the businesses in a ‘blind trust’. The only people making decisions about the Trump organization are Eric and Donald, Jr. ”And Dad!

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Hey, hey hey. No playing favorites. trump has pissed off the British, the Australians and Germany. And CANADA for gods sake.

And Mexico of course (they are just mostly laughing at us though).
Also much of France and South Korea, Belgium, Sweden, and pretty much the entirity of Africa. He’s essentially a perfect storm of terrible relations with every strategic ally the United States has cultivated relations with in the last seventy years.

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I never claimed there was no collusion. I favored a Clinton victory once I was made aware of her crony Russian deals. Collusion means peace.
I submit that you should change your user name to George Orwell. That kind of deep ironic sarcasm should not go unrecognized. Unless, of course, you are serious as I expect you are, in which case it should be Neville Chamberlin.

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Lincoln colludes with Davis to allow secession in return for a significant payoff. Mass bloodshed and tyranny avoided. Slavery concludes as it did in Brazil. Occupation of the South is unnecessary.
Right. Because the US was (and is) so much like Brazil. And the South would just have given up on its major economic contributor willingly. Good luck with that.

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Funny how life (and civilization) went on. A century and more after that, I'm sitting here writing a response on a computer that would not have existed without civilization.

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If there is clear and convincing evidence that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election, I'll support his impeachment.
When should we expect this belated realization? Sometime around mid-century?

Hell, I've seen conservatives still claiming that Nixon was innocent.
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Please develop this hypothetical further. Name the Great Leaders you have in mind, name the acts of collusion, and describe the end state under which the masses would have benefitted. This should be fun.
Well, there was that whole pact between Stalin and Hitler over Poland.

I seem to recall it did not end well.
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The rationale for probable cause to develop evidence is that the Trump organization engaged in a pattern of business dealings that suggest money-laundering.
Not to mention the presence of Irakly Kaveladze, an accused money launderer, and Natalia Veselnitskaya, a Kremlin-connected attorney for another accused money launderer, at that infamous meeting about Hillary sanctions "adoptions".

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You guys are all wrong. Trump and his minions never colluded with Russia. It was Obama! Or Hillary! Somebody.

Seriously, I saw this on FoxNews.

For moths, the idiots of FoxNews have said that the Obama Administration interfered in the 2016 election by using the FBI to wiretap and otherwise spy on Trump and his associates. Then Mueller's indictments came out last week.

Now, without missing a beat, FoxNews is saying that, obviously, Obama didn't interfere ENOUGH! They say that Obama's FBI knew about Russian interference and told the POTUS, who didn't do anything about it. Obama even told Trump to stop whining about it. So, Obama wasn't using the FBI to torpedo Trump's chances. He was failing to use the FBI to counter the Russians. It is only by the wits of the Stable Genius himself that he was still able to pull out a win in spite of Obama's inaction.

Somehow, they never acknowledge that this is the exact opposite of what they said a week ago. It is very Orwellian.

I even saw Michelle Milkin (I think that's her name) say that the Russian meddling was all PRESIDENT CARTER'S fault. I sh*t you not.
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Here's a fun trivia question...

Q: What's the largest fine eve paid by a casino to the federal government?

A: $10,000,000

Link: FinCEN Fines Trump Taj Mahal Casino Resort $10 Million for Significant and Long Standing Anti-Money Laundering Violations
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When should we expect this belated realization? Sometime around mid-century? ...
Sometime after convincing evidence comes to light. From HMS Irruncible's link:

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Representative Jim Hines, sought to temper Schiff’s comment, telling CNN that Simpson “did not provide evidence and I think that’s an important point. He made allegations.”
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While it is true that smoke does not prove fire, if a fog bank rolls into LA that smells like pine trees....its a fire.
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More on money laundering...

Maybe Trump is innocent, but there sure does appear to be an awful lot of money laundering going on in buildings with Trump's name on them.

Trump’s Russian Laundromat

It's a long article and worth a read. Here's a sample paragraph...

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But even without an investigation by Congress or a special prosecutor, there is much we already know about the president’s debt to Russia. A review of the public record reveals a clear and disturbing pattern: Trump owes much of his business success, and by extension his presidency, to a flow of highly suspicious money from Russia. Over the past three decades, at least 13 people with known or alleged links to Russian mobsters or oligarchs have owned, lived in, and even run criminal activities out of Trump Tower and other Trump properties. Many used his apartments and casinos to launder untold millions in dirty money. Some ran a worldwide high-stakes gambling ring out of Trump Tower—in a unit directly below one owned by Trump. Others provided Trump with lucrative branding deals that required no investment on his part. Taken together, the flow of money from Russia provided Trump with a crucial infusion of financing that helped rescue his empire from ruin, burnish his image, and launch his career in television and politics. “They saved his bacon,” says Kenneth McCallion, a former assistant U.S. attorney in the Reagan administration who investigated ties between organized crime and Trump’s developments in the 1980s.
Besides that article there's also this guy who may know what he's talking about. "You realize where this is going. This is all about money laundering. Mueller chose [senior prosecutor Andrew] Weissmann first and he is a money-laundering guy. Their path to f***ing Trump goes right through Paul Manafort, Don Jr., and Jared Kushner. . . . It's as plain as a hair on your face," Wolff quotes Bannon saying.
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Here's a fun trivia question...

Q: What's the largest fine eve paid by a casino to the federal government?

A: $10,000,000

Link: FinCEN Fines Trump Taj Mahal Casino Resort $10 Million for Significant and Long Standing Anti-Money Laundering Violations
A little background from CNN:
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The violations date back to a time when the Taj Mahal was the preferred gambling spot for Russian mobsters living in Brooklyn, according to federal investigators who tracked organized crime in New York City. They also occurred at a time when the Taj Mahal casino was short on cash and on the verge of bankruptcy.
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'I'll have more flexibility after the election' - not a Republican President
You mean Obama actually told a Russian diplomat that presidents that don't have to face reelection can maybe get things done that they couldn't otherwise? The Horror, the Horror.
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