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Old 03-12-2018, 11:15 AM
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Bruno Mars 100% is a cultural appropriator

Those aren't my words. Those are the words of Seren Sensei. I have no idea who she is, other than she appears to be a 'cultural diversity vlogger' ('Sensei Aishitemasu').

I could only handle a few of her Youtube videos before wanting to stab myself in the face with a dull spoon, but some of the best hits include 'yes, all white people are racist' and 'Why I Hate Adele' (hint: because she's not black).

I suppose the irony of a black 'cultural diversity vlogger' screaming 'cultural appropriator! at the top of her lungs while using 'sensei' as a handle is completely lost on someone who's only real answer to 'what research have you done' is 'see my Youtube channel'.

STFU please.
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Yep, she's racist.
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Old 03-12-2018, 11:25 AM
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Stupid teenager being stupid. I wouldn't call her a racist, just an idiot.
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Otherwise known as "how pop music works." Everyone is just rolling together shit they've heard before; the reason people think it sounds good is because in it they hear elements of music they already like, in a shiny new package.
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Stupid teenager being stupid. I wouldn't call her a racist, just an idiot.
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I hope the point of this thread isn’t, “the entire concept of cultural appropriation is stupid or nonexistent, because look at how this one person used it!”
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I hope the point of this thread isn’t, “the entire concept of cultural appropriation is stupid or nonexistent, because look at how this one person used it!”
It's not; it's "this person is using big words she clearly doesn't fully understand to criticize something else she clearly doesn't fully understand." The privilege of youth, I suppose.
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Adele is “over produced”? Her music is just “production, production, production”? Clearly she has never heard Taylor Swift.
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This person realize that Bruno Mars is Puerto Rican, Jewish and Filipino, right? Seems like he can lay claim to a great many cultures, pop music being one of them. Like, what culture do you have to be to honestly perform pop anyway?

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Adele is “over produced”? Her music is just “production, production, production”? Clearly she has never heard Taylor Swift.
More than one artist can have over produced music. Even at different levels of "over-produced!"
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I don’t disagree, Snarky Kong. TS was just the first to pop into my head.
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This person realize that Bruno Mars is Puerto Rican, Jewish and Filipino, right? Seems like he can lay claim to a great many cultures, pop music being one of them. Like, what culture do you have to be to honestly perform pop anyway?
And Hawaiian. Unless the place where you were born and grew up doesn't count as one of your cultures. Dude's like a cultural pizza...
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I could only handle a few of her Youtube videos before wanting to stab myself in the face with a dull spoon, but some of the best hits include 'yes, all white people are racist' and 'Why I Hate Adele' (hint: because she's not black).
Has she been doing this since 2012? 'Cause if so, I think I know where SNL's Cecily Strong got her character Girl You Wish You Hadn't Started a Conversation With at a Party.
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I hope the point of this thread isn’t, “the entire concept of cultural appropriation is stupid or nonexistent, because look at how this one person used it!”
y'know, I vaguely remember at one point in time this country was considered the "great melting pot."

now, all of a sudden, both left and right have shat all over that notion. The right is retreating into nationalist/nativist "us vs. everyone else," and the left screams "cultural appropriation" any time someone even looks like they're adopting something from another culture. same shit, different stink.

Outrage as a Pastime (TM) is really getting tiring. and people who make a point to constantly be offended on behalf of others should just go DIAF.

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Have we ever had a thread discussing what is legitimate borrowing from another culture, vs. what is "cultural appropriation?" Because I have a few things to say about that. Mostly about how art and style, at least, don't belong to anyone, including however you define a culture, and about how it is human nature to borrow and build on what came before. There is such a thing as cultural appropriation, but in my opinion it should be fairly narrowly defined, more like what we used to call "cultural exploitation."

On the other hand, I can appreciate how it may seem that a dominant group is sucking in and taking credit for a lot of stuff that was originated within non-dominant groups. Acknowledgement is important. Reducing the gaps between dominant and non-dominant groups is even more important. It's a good idea to keep the focus and energy where it will do the most good.
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There is such a thing as cultural appropriation, but in my opinion it should be fairly narrowly defined, more like what we used to call "cultural exploitation."

On the other hand, I can appreciate how it may seem that a dominant group is sucking in and taking credit for a lot of stuff that was originated within non-dominant groups.
Definitely: I think the label of CA is appropriate for someone who tries to take credit for other culture's achievements, but that seems pretty rare. The only case that comes to mind is the fake Indian shamans although I'm sure there are others.
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I hereby propose the deletion of this thread for lack of notability.

Some random blogger said something stupid, and you brought this to the attention of the SDMB for what reason?
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Some random blogger said something stupid, and you brought this to the attention of the SDMB for what reason?
Slow news day?
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Have we ever had a thread discussing what is legitimate borrowing from another culture, vs. what is "cultural appropriation?" Because I have a few things to say about that. Mostly about how art and style, at least, don't belong to anyone, including however you define a culture, and about how it is human nature to borrow and build on what came before. There is such a thing as cultural appropriation, but in my opinion it should be fairly narrowly defined, more like what we used to call "cultural exploitation."

On the other hand, I can appreciate how it may seem that a dominant group is sucking in and taking credit for a lot of stuff that was originated within non-dominant groups. Acknowledgement is important. Reducing the gaps between dominant and non-dominant groups is even more important. It's a good idea to keep the focus and energy where it will do the most good.
When Overwatch gave its Egyptian character Pharah a skin that made her into a traditional/stereotypical Native American, I read both of the following sentiments from Native Americans writing in good faith from a social justice perspective:

A. I nearly cried, I was so happy, when I saw this representation of NA culture as a focus of power.

B. I nearly cried, I was so angry, when I saw this thoughtless appropriation of NA culture.

As a white guy I tend to kind of stay out of this, for good or ill. This is the kind of thing I'm not sure there can be sweeping, hard fast rules about. It's very situational--and even relative to particular people.
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Old 03-12-2018, 02:18 PM
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The use of the term "Cultural Appropriation" is bullshit about 95% of the time.

I don't know why you're sharing some obscure blogger's shit as if it is supposed to mean anything.

As a tactic, this sort of thing is the realm of the alt-right / conservatives who love to find one obscure loon and then spread their shit with the claim that ALL LIBERALS believe whatever lunacy they're posting.

As a "Huh, look at this, this chick is nuts", I'm less interested in seeing this sort of thing.
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I hereby propose the deletion of this thread for lack of notability.

Some random blogger said something stupid, and you brought this to the attention of the SDMB for what reason?
There are some genuine social issues where the alt-right latch on to rare extremist nonsense in an attempt to discredit everything.

But with "cultural appropriation" the proportions are reversed, it seems to be 95% bullshit to me. So I don't think mockery of the nonsense is inappropriate.
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But with "cultural appropriation" the proportions are reversed, it seems to be 95% bullshit to me. So I don't think mockery of the nonsense is inappropriate.
There is a tribe on a remote island in the Pacific whose culture revolves around mockery of nonsense. I would appreciate it if you did not callously appropriate their culture in this thread!
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When Overwatch gave its Egyptian character Pharah a skin that made her into a traditional/stereotypical Native American, I read both of the following sentiments from Native Americans writing in good faith from a social justice perspective:

A. I nearly cried, I was so happy, when I saw this representation of NA culture as a focus of power.

B. I nearly cried, I was so angry, when I saw this thoughtless appropriation of NA culture.

As a white guy I tend to kind of stay out of this, for good or ill. This is the kind of thing I'm not sure there can be sweeping, hard fast rules about. It's very situational--and even relative to particular people.
I would never argue with someone's feelings. I might well argue whether anyone's feelings ought to be the basis of policy or accepted practice, even though I am a white guy and the other person may not be.
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I can still wear my Prince T'Challa costume with realistic dark skin overlay for Hallowe'en, though, right?
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I can still wear my Prince T'Challa costume with realistic dark skin overlay for Hallowe'en, though, right?
I literally tweeted Ryan Coogler and asked him this very question, but he hasn't replied. He may be a tad busy, though.
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Otherwise known as "how pop music works."
Not just pop music, but all music, unless you go back to the first person ever to bang two rocks together.
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Some random blogger said something stupid, and you brought this to the attention of the SDMB for what reason?
You forgot the part that the Bruno Mars one is from 2016 and the two linked in the OP are from 2015 -- so pointless AND old.

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Wah? Bruno is like pineapple and pepperoni pizza. I've been so wrong about him. I will have try another slice.
I like the little dude, truly. He's all kinda cool.
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y'know, I vaguely remember at one point in time this country was considered the "great melting pot."

now, all of a sudden, both left and right have shat all over that notion. The right is retreating into nationalist/nativist "us vs. everyone else," and the left screams "cultural appropriation" any time someone even looks like they're adopting something from another culture. same shit, different stink.

Outrage as a Pastime (TM) is really getting tiring. and people who make a point to constantly be offended on behalf of others should just go DIAF.
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You forgot the part that the Bruno Mars one is from 2016 and the two linked in the OP are from 2015 -- so pointless AND old.
It was recently that Meshell Ndegeocello called him "karaoke". Not for real like she is with her album of covers.

For real. She's accusing Mars of appropriating while shilling an album of covers. WTF?
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Unless you're wholesale stealing an entire culture for yourself, or stealing something of deep cultural or spiritual meaning for a different meaning in your culture, there isn't any such thing as cultural appropriation.

Humans are smart. We learn and adapt. We filled every ecological niche on the planet we grew up on. Not through evolution, through adaptation and technology.

The Horse Cultures of the American West would not have happened without lost and escaped Spanish horses. Were they "culturally appropriating" horses? No, they were adapting to something new.

New experiences and new ideas breed even more new ideas and creative impulses as more people are exposed to them. This is a good thing. We will adapt and adopt alien cultural ideas and patterns too once we're exposed to them.
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Of course, an intentional cultural appropriation that really didn't work was One Man Gang, this 6'9" 450 pound white professional wrestler, becoming Akeem the African Dream. No, he wasn't in blackface. He just wore African garb, claimed to be from Africa and had to live the gimmick in the era of kayfabe (read: back when they pretended it is was all real).

But the entire idea was to draw heat - boos - for OMG/Akeem as a bad guy.

And he had a black manager, a skinny, slimy guy named "Slick".

Why yes, that actually happened, from 1988-1990.
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y'know, I vaguely remember at one point in time this country was considered the "great melting pot."
Some would argue, and I’m inclined to be sympathetic to the argument, that this concept was, is, and has always been hooey, given how immigrants and their cultures are often treated, and how important many think “assimilation” is.
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There are reasons to dislike Bruno Mars (hint: grenade), but 'cultural appropriation' isn't one of them.
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I think the concept of "Cultural Appropriation" is bullshit from start to finish. A culture does not get to put limits on what aspects can be copied or adopted by others. You don't like that someone has used a hairstyle or musical style that you hold dear?.....tough. Unless they are passing-off fake as real, directly copying trademarked designs, stealing physical property or preventing you from doing it.....I say carry on.
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I think the concept of "Cultural Appropriation" is bullshit from start to finish. A culture does not get to put limits on what aspects can be copied or adopted by others. You don't like that someone has used a hairstyle or musical style that you hold dear?.....tough. Unless they are passing-off fake as real, directly copying trademarked designs, stealing physical property or preventing you from doing it.....I say carry on.
..."trademarks" are a limit placed by a culture on what aspects can be copied or adopted by others. Why is "Cultural Appropriation bullshit from start to finish", but protection for trademark designs something you 100% support?
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I think the concept of "Cultural Appropriation" is bullshit from start to finish. A culture does not get to put limits on what aspects can be copied or adopted by others. You don't like that someone has used a hairstyle or musical style that you hold dear?.....tough. Unless they are passing-off fake as real, directly copying trademarked designs, stealing physical property or preventing you from doing it.....I say carry on.
Meh. It is a worthy discussion. I love Led Zeppelin, but they were 100% wrong in their approach to taking blues songs written by other people and heavy-ing them up without credit. Same with the Pat Boones of the world back in the 50's, and many more.

It is a spectrum worth discussing, but in this case with Bruno Mars, it is a silly kerfuffle not worth the time or energy.
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..."trademarks" are a limit placed by a culture on what aspects can be copied or adopted by others. Why is "Cultural Appropriation bullshit from start to finish", but protection for trademark designs something you 100% support?
Speaking for myself, I support an individual's creation as much as I support trademarks and other IP. Just like patents and copyright, unlike the current laws, should not be perpetual, I don't believe another culture's symbols should be considered the property of the descendants rather than those who created them. There are probably other cultures who don't agree with me on that, but hey, everyone has a point of view.

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It was recently that Meshell Ndegeocello called him "karaoke". Not for real like she is with her album of covers.

For real. She's accusing Mars of appropriating while shilling an album of covers. WTF?
Cover albums pay royalties. Whatever Bruno Mars is doing doesn't. And he's been sued over it.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...-10451682.html

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Speaking for myself, I support an individual's creation as much as I support trademarks and other IP. Just like patents and copyright, unlike the current laws, should not be perpetual, I don't believe another culture's symbols should be considered the property of the descendants rather than those who created them. There are probably other cultures who don't agree with me on that, but hey, everyone has a point of view.
...so you accept that trademarks are a limit placed by a culture on what aspects can be copied or adopted by others. There are a number of treaties and statutes worldwide that protect indigenous intellectual property rights. Do you disagree with those treaties in principal?
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I think the concept of "Cultural Appropriation" is bullshit from start to finish. A culture does not get to put limits on what aspects can be copied or adopted by others. You don't like that someone has used a hairstyle or musical style that you hold dear?.....tough. Unless they are passing-off fake as real, directly copying trademarked designs, stealing physical property or preventing you from doing it.....I say carry on.
I agree, but I think I would extend 'passing off fake as real' to include stuff where a copied thing is copied in a way that makes it offensive to the original - the only good example I can think of is blackface, but I'm sure there are others less extreme that I would still consider verboten.

But yeah, taking something that group A enjoys, and introducing it and enjoying it in group B should be pretty much OK most of the time.
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Meh. It is a worthy discussion. I love Led Zeppelin, but they were 100% wrong in their approach to taking blues songs written by other people
had you stopped here I'd disagree completely, I think they did a brilliant job and made something far better than the original compositions.

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The last part is the important bit. They should properly credit and reward people but that it irrelevant as to whether they should have adapted the songs in the first place, which is what the "cultural appropriation" complainers would say.
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I agree, but I think I would extend 'passing off fake as real' to include stuff where a copied thing is copied in a way that makes it offensive to the original.
"Offensive to the original" what on earth does that mean?
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