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Old 03-17-2018, 11:44 PM
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Katy Perry's PR nightmare.

I must admit I'll never be able to see Katy in the same way. Who uses their money to bankrupt two nuns? One of them dropped dead in court last week.

Doesn't matter if she had the legal upperhand.

She's a celebrity that depends on people buying tickets and purchasing music. Does she really want to be remembered for this heartless act?


Katy needs to listen to Kenny Rogers.
You've got to know when to hold 'em. Know when to fold 'em. Know when to walk away. And know when to run. 

Sweetheart you should have been gracious and ran like hell. The court of public opinion is what matters. These elderly nuns just wanted to live out their last days in their home. Couldn't you have waited a few years to take possession?
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Old 03-18-2018, 12:02 AM
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The Washington Posts article is more comprehensive. Katy had the legal upperhand.

But, imho most people would show a little decency and compassion in this situation. Or at least pretend too and keep her fans from abandoning her.

The legal system steamrolled over these two elderly nuns. That's not anything to take pride in. Katy has to live with her actions and face herself in the mirror every day.

I believe strongly in karma. You get back exactly what you put into this world.

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Old 03-18-2018, 12:03 AM
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Really old people die. I have an irrational crush on KP. Especially with her new super short haircut. Can't explain it. If some nuns gotta die,...so be it.
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Old 03-18-2018, 12:13 AM
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Oooh boy. Nuns, with an oath of service, violated the oath of service to their Archdiocese and remained in occupation of a building for years. They decided that they would not allow the sale of a building that the Church had ordered them to leave because they did not like her music videos, and went and sold it to someone else. The Church took them to court, the nuns lost, and the Church sold it to Katy.

Nuns violated an oath of service, stole a property worth millions and sold it. It's hard to grow older. The brain makes funny choices.

It's also hard to see where Katy did anything wrong.
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Old 03-18-2018, 12:13 AM
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Really old people die. I have an irrational crush on KP. Especially with her new super short haircut. Can't explain it. If some nuns gotta die,...so be it.
When i saw the headline, I thought it would also be about the 19 year-old contestant on "American Idol" who got creeped out when Katy Perry kissed him. When combined with nun who dropped dead, that adds up to a very bad week of PR for KP.

And KP's new haircut makes her look like a 45 year-old soccer mom (but at least no one confuses her with Zooey Deschanel anymore).
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Old 03-18-2018, 12:14 AM
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How can Katy have bankrupted them? I thought nuns took a vow of poverty, thus being pre-bankrupt.

Secondly, their beef is with the Diocese, which sold their home from under them. Their palatial 22,000 square foot, $15 million dollar home. Maybe the diocese thought that's a bit much for a couple of nuns to be knocking around in, and more humble quarters would suit.

And I thought nuns took a vow of obedience, but I guess it doesn't count if they really, really don't wanna.

Also, I don't think you have to worry about Katy losing her fans, aceplace. R Kelly peed on an underage girl and people still buy his stuff. I think Perry's gonna be OK.
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Old 03-18-2018, 12:32 AM
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The legal system steamrolled over these two elderly nuns.
...that's what you got from that story?

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Old 03-18-2018, 12:44 AM
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Pretty much.

You can have legal rights and still feel a moral obligation not to harm defenseless people.

The most obvious solution would have been to worked out an agreement. Let the elderly nuns live in the only home they've known for forty years. Take possession after they die.

That's what I would have done. But, I'm not an important star like Katy Perry.

A cousin of mine did that for my dad's parents. They were elderly and struggling to get by. He bought the small farm with the condition they could live out their lives there. Grandad died a few years later and grandmother eventually moved to a nursing home.

It worked out great for everyone.

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Old 03-18-2018, 12:47 AM
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The other buyer wasn't going to let the nuns stay either. They were going to build a hotel.

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Old 03-18-2018, 12:56 AM
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I'm not sure what could have been worked out. I don't know enough details.

I only know that I absolutely wouldn't have gotten involved in a legal battle with two elderly nuns. I rather walk away and lose the money.

I need to sleep at night and want to leave this world a better place than I found it. I don't want to hurt anybody.

I used to be competitive, but that changes as the years go by. Winning isn't the end all.

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Old 03-18-2018, 01:01 AM
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It's like David vs. Goliath, except if David were in cahoots with a shady developer to steal a $14 million property from its owner.
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Old 03-18-2018, 01:10 AM
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I'm not sure Katy herself has done anything wrong, but it's an awful situation. From what I can find, it sounds like the Sisters pooled their money to buy the property from the previous owners and whether the archdiocese had the authority to remove them and sell the property is being disputed. It seems like they've been treated pretty poorly in general for a while now and I'm having a hard time blaming Katy Perry for their situation.
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Old 03-18-2018, 01:15 AM
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I agree the archdiocese could have handled this better.

This dispute seems to go back quite a few years.

Katy stepped into the middle of it.

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Old 03-18-2018, 01:19 AM
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I'm not sure Katy herself has done anything wrong, but it's an awful situation. From what I can find, it sounds like the Sisters pooled their money to buy the property from the previous owners and whether the archdiocese had the authority to remove them and sell the property is being disputed.
It looks like the diocese has won. The diocese won the rights to sell the property, and won a further judgment of several million dollars against the developer the nuns were working with, for fraud. The developer then declared bankruptcy, and the nun died while attending the bankruptcy hearing in solidarity with the fraudster.

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Old 03-18-2018, 01:26 AM
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I wonder how long it will take before dishonest nuns can be treated the same as any other dishonest person.

Not that anyone deserves bad treatment - they don't - but holding nuns to a lower standard just because they're nuns is pretty silly IMO.
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Old 03-18-2018, 01:32 AM
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And KP's new haircut makes her look like a 45 year-old soccer mom (but at least no one confuses her with Zooey Deschanel anymore).
But somebody does now confuse her with Miley Cyrus. Probably even someone besides me.

I don't think she's going to have a PR problem with the nuns, whoever she looks like. I'm not even one of her fans and I think the nuns were in the wrong here.

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Old 03-18-2018, 01:41 AM
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I wonder how long it will take before dishonest nuns can be treated the same as any other dishonest person.

Not that anyone deserves bad treatment - they don't - but holding nuns to a lower standard just because they're nuns is pretty silly IMO.
It was a legal dispute over ownership of property the order the Sisters of the Most Holy had used for over 40 years. The details haven't been reported. The relationship between the archdiocese and convents is really an internal church matter. I'm surprised it ended this badly.

I wouldn't characterize any of the parties as being dishonest.

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Old 03-18-2018, 01:49 AM
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I wouldn't characterize any of the parties as being dishonest.
A jury did, though. The developer was found to have acted out of "fraud, malice or oppression."

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Old 03-18-2018, 01:54 AM
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I think I need to go to bed, but this story is so much like something I would come up with in a dream, that I'm starting to wonder if I'm already there.

Katy Perry now looks like Miley Cyrus? She bought a house from the Catholic Church, who took it from two elderly nuns, one of whom died in the midst of a court appearance? Yep, this is one of my dreams; it's exactly weird and random enough. I'm not following the links; I know how my dreams go. The links will just lead to grocery ads for a city I've never been to.

If in fact I am actually somehow dreaming while awake and posting this in the waking world, I'm sorry for whatever thread I'm actually posting this in, unless this is actually my blog and I can delete it.
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Old 03-18-2018, 01:56 AM
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These elderly nuns just wanted to live out their last days in their home. Couldn't you have waited a few years to take possession?
The nuns haven't lived there since 2011. According to this NPR story, the archdiocese—not Katy Perry—forced them to move out.
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It is a but surreal.

I need to get some sleep too. I'll check back tomorrow.
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I keep seeing it reported the Sisters order bought the property in 1972. Yet the court ruled it belongs to the Archdiocese of Los Angeles.

This article says the church claims authority over the nuns order and they control the property? I'm astonished the Church's authority over the nuns could negate a private purchase they made in 1972. I didn't think property rights worked like that.

It's too complicated for me to understand. But, the courts did rule for the church.

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Old 03-18-2018, 02:16 AM
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. . .Their palatial 22,000 square foot, $15 million dollar home. Maybe the diocese thought that's a bit much for a couple of nuns to be knocking around in, and more humble quarters would suit.
Yeah, it's hardly what you think of as a "convent."

I've actually been in there. (I was part of a committee on school accountability and one of the assistant superintendents of LA Unified apparently had once been a member of their order, so she managed get a room there for one of our meetings.)

In fact, it was essentially a resort for nuns. Take a look.

Some friends of mine live nearby, and they'd just soon the place not become a hotel/tourist attraction, because the traffic there already has gotten bad enough from people cutting through to get to Los Feliz Blvd.
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Old 03-18-2018, 02:17 AM
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Also, I don't think you have to worry about Katy losing her fans, aceplace. R Kelly peed on an underage girl and people still buy his stuff.
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Yeah. Also, R. Kelly peed on the girl as part of a movie the two are starring in. It's eight minutes long and went straight to video. Well... streaming.
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Old 03-18-2018, 02:18 AM
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I'm astonished the Church's authority over the nuns could negate a private purchase they made in 1972.
It sounds like the nuns didn't purchase the property, the order did. And the order is owned by the church, not by the nuns.
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But somebody does now confuse her with Miley Cyrus. Probably even someone besides me.
Anybody who confuses Katy Perry with Miley Cyrus should look below their necks. That would quickly clear things up.
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Old 03-18-2018, 04:14 AM
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...the Sisters of the Most Holy...
With capitals? That settles it, then.

You appear to have started from a conclusion, based on a preconception that nuns can do no wrong, and then attempted to shoehorn the story into your outraged narrative.
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In fact, it was essentially a resort for nuns. Take a look.
Is that a helicopter pad past the parking lot? The circle with the Maltese cross.
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And KP's new haircut makes her look like a 45 year-old soccer mom (but at least no one confuses her with Zooey Deschanel anymore).
Hold on there, being confused with Zooey Deschanel is a bad thing?

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You read guizot post. Traffic around the nun spa is already a nightmare, and nuns are notoriously hard workers. Even with a helicopter there's barely time to schedule a bikini wax in between Stations of the Cross and Vespers.
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Hold on there, being confused with Zooey Deschanel is a bad thing?.
Not at all (unless you're using your similar resemblance for purposes of identity theft).
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Old 03-18-2018, 06:27 AM
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Oooh boy. Nuns, with an oath of service, violated the oath of service to their Archdiocese and remained in occupation of a building for years. They decided that they would not allow the sale of a building that the Church had ordered them to leave because they did not like her music videos, and went and sold it to someone else. The Church took them to court, the nuns lost, and the Church sold it to Katy.

Nuns violated an oath of service, stole a property worth millions and sold it. It's hard to grow older. The brain makes funny choices.

It's also hard to see where Katy did anything wrong.
As I understand it, this is exactly what happened. Katy just happened to step in the middle of it. I fail to see how purchasing the property would cause her to lose fans...?!?


I don't like her blonde makeover. The haircut alone makes her look matronly, but to each her own, I guess.

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I've had it up to here with nuns and their constant nunning.
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Old 03-18-2018, 09:05 AM
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Is that a helicopter pad past the parking lot? The circle with the Maltese cross.
Sure looks like one.

Note too that the swimming pool is in the shape of a fish....

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Old 03-18-2018, 09:19 AM
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Old 03-18-2018, 10:07 AM
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I'm not getting how Katy Perry is to blame in the least. The nuns thought they owned, and had the right to sell, their property. They sold it to a restauranteur. The Archdiocese thought THEY owned, and had the right to sell the property, and they sold it to Katy Perry.

Either way the nuns would have had to move.

One way the nuns got the money, the other way it went to the Archdiocese.

Katy Perry just wanted the real estate she had paid for. It was the Archdiocese that essentially stole what the nuns thought was their payday.
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Anybody who confuses Katy Perry with Miley Cyrus should look below their necks. That would quickly clear things up.
They have a lot in common; ex: They could both use a good long hot shower with scrubbing brushes and clarifying shampoo. It wouldn't give them class, but it's a good place to start.
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Old 03-18-2018, 10:19 AM
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Doesn't matter if she had the legal upperhand.
It actually does matter.

I can't be bothered to dig through who actually had legal rights to the property. But those rights are based on laws and financial transactions, not on who has the most sympathetic persona.
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Old 03-18-2018, 10:29 AM
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I don't know enough details.
Just sticky this at the top of every outrage thread you start.
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Old 03-18-2018, 11:09 AM
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Just sticky this at the top of every outrage thread you start.
How many details does aceplace need for an outrage thread?

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Nun.
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Old 03-18-2018, 11:55 AM
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I assumed this was going to be about how she stole a kiss from a young man who said he wanted his first kiss to be with someone special in a relationship. There's some debate over whether this counts as sexual harassment, as people would likely consider it so with the genders reversed. He has said it is not (and discussed it with his friends saying that it didn't count, since he didn't kiss her back). Regardless, it was a dick move on Perry's part.

(I admit that I previously did not realize it was a dick move, because the videos I'd seen circulating did not include the part about why the kid had never "kissed a girl.")

That said, I do have to give aceplace a bit of credit. That story, which actually does make her look bad, isn't really circulating (beyond the initial reporting) outside the anti-feminist spheres. But this one is. When it comes to publicity, the details don't matter as much as the spin.

So he's right that the details likely don't matter. But that's because of the state of how we consume news in this country.
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(snipped, like KP's hair)...And KP's new haircut makes her look like a 45 year-old soccer mom (but at least no one confuses her with Zooey Deschanel anymore).
I'm 60 so 45 y.o. soccer moms are hot young things to me.

BTW, Miley Cyrus does absolutely nothing for me.

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These elderly nuns just wanted to live out their last days in their home. Couldn't you have waited a few years to take possession?
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The nuns haven't lived there since 2011. According to this NPR story, the archdiocese—not Katy Perry—forced them to move out.
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I'm astonished the Church's authority over the nuns could negate a private purchase they made in 1972. I didn't think property rights worked like that.
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It sounds like the nuns didn't purchase the property, the order did. And the order is owned by the church, not by the nuns.
These pairs of quotes are a perfect encapsulation of this thread, and of a considerable number of aceplace57's SDMB threads. The standard pattern of his OPs, especially on this sort of issue that mixes cultural and moral issues with questions of law and rights, is:

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You appear to have started from a conclusion, based on a preconception that nuns can do no wrong, and then attempted to shoehorn the story into your outraged narrative.
Again, SOP.
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It's too complicated for me to understand.
We should probably end the thread right about there.

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Old 03-18-2018, 08:32 PM
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Is that a helicopter pad past the parking lot? The circle with the Maltese cross.
It does look like a helicopter pad, doesn't it? If it is, it's never been used for that, as far as I know.

Incidentally, the property next to that would-be helicopter pad is the house where the Mason "family" killed Leno and Rosemary Labianca.

In fact, the neighborhood has a lot of history. The Gelson supermarket, a few blocks from the "nunnery," was the site of Disney's Hyperion Studios, (yes, you can buy your cheese now at the place where Mickey Mouse was born, and where Snow White was made). Around the corner is Marshall High, the go-to classic high school backdrop used in countless movies and TV shows, like Grease, Pretty in Pink, Buffy, Wonder Years, Boy Meets World, Young Sheldon, etc.
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Old 03-20-2018, 09:08 AM
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I agree the archdiocese could have handled this better.

This dispute seems to go back quite a few years.

Katy stepped into the middle of it.
Pretty much this, but pin the tail on Katy now because she is rich and famous.

I don't even like her but I really don't see how any of this is even remotely her fault.
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Old 03-20-2018, 10:03 AM
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And KP's new haircut makes her look like a 45 year-old soccer mom (but at least no one confuses her with Zooey Deschanel anymore).
There are times when I think she looks like a young Grace Slick, as well.
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Old 03-20-2018, 12:06 PM
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Katy Perry should totally have foreseen the occupants of the property she bought would sue the actual owner of the property, and then die in the courtroom while they supported the fraudster they tried to sell it to despite not being the owners just because they didn't like her. Not because they didn't want it sold _because they didn't like Katy Perry_. And having foreseen all that she should obviously have known it would be misreported and that the easily duped would skim any article including any sort of fact and make it out like she was personally responsible for kicking them out.
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