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What happened here? Kid dies from being crushed inside car.
Story here.
So, terrible way to die, but I don't understand how this could have happened. The article speculates about the seats maybe tilting forward due to a recall issue, but I still don't see how that could trap and kill an able bodied near adult. |
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While googling "Kyle Plush", I had a ad come up. "These new crossover SUVs will take your breath away."
Jesus. |
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From another article on that site:
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I had one of those vans. The entire back row bench is designed to fold up (the upright section against the seating section), then pivot into the storage well in the floor behind it. When you set it back up, the seating section has hooks that are supposed to lock into corresponding bars in the floor. The problem is that lots of time they don't lock, so the seat looks like it's OK, but you could easily push the whole thing back into the well, without folding the upright section back first. If he was kneeling on the seat, and reaching behind it to get stuff in the well, his upper body could have gotten trapped in the well, with the entire weight of the seat (a lot) holding him down. He wouldn't have had any leverage to push the seat away from him and get out, especially if his legs were pinned against the back hatch of the van.
ETA: Here's a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynV9ahaEltc showing how to fold down the back seats. If he was leaning over the back of the larger seat, and it folded forward unexpectedly, I can definitely see how he could get trapped. Last edited by muldoonthief; 04-12-2018 at 01:08 PM. |
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Last edited by carnivorousplant; 04-12-2018 at 01:13 PM. |
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7 minutes go by before the 911 dispatcher contacts the Police??! God damn it!
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I wonder how many times this has happened that had a more fortunate ending that didn't make the news. Not just a miserable way to die, a very slow way too. |
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Yup. Can't breathe, so you push off with your arms. Arms get tired, you have to relax them, ribs get squeezed and then can't breathe. Arms recover a bit, you push off and breathe some more. Eventually your arms are too whipped to push off anymore, your ribs get squeezed, you can't breathe and you're powerless to stop it.
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This was exactly the type of emergency 911 was supposed to respond too.
The victim gave them pretty good information about the car and location. It appears 911 didn't forward enough information to the first responders. What a senseless and preventable way to die. Last edited by aceplace57; 04-13-2018 at 12:25 PM. |
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It could have been a technology failure, but it really seems like she just didn't take the call seriously, and just walked away from it, using the excuse of what she considered a prank call to take a break. Complete speculation on my part for that last bit, but from the article, it doesn't seem that improbable. |
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This should not have been a laborious search that the police felt free to give up on. A gold minivan. How stealthy is that? |
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If everything is taken at face value or even if the details are a little wrong, ISTM, the officers simply couldn't find him fast enough. I can understand that it may be difficult to find a car, in a parking lot at or near a school, while school is letting out. On top of that, it sounds like during the first time the officers went out, they didn't know exactly what they were looking for. To top it all off, he was, I assume, below the window line way in the back. Even in the middle of the day, it's going to mean going up to every car and directly looking into it. I'd assume the van had tinted rear windows as well. I'm sure someone will be blamed for this and it sounds like it's going to be one or both of the 911 operators. Even if they did do something wrong, I'm still willing to bet, that if everything played out the way it did, but he called 911 a little earlier or survived a little longer, the facts would be very different. Similarly, I'd be willing to bet that if everything played out exactly as it did, but the officers found him on time, everyone involved would be a hero. |
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However, that's probably also due to the amount of those cars being driven my kids with very little experience. I drive through a high school area twice in the morning and twice around 3. There's a lot of kids, many of which are clearly still learning how to drive. |
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There is the possibility that the first cop did see the minivan, but it looked empty. After all, if someone claimed to be stuck under the seat of their car, wouldn't you have been envisioning someone clearly visible, feet dangling out of an open door? Not someone folded away under a collapsible back seat? |
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I've raised and lowered folding car seats many times. They aren't difficult for even a small person to manage.
It's hard to understand how this accident occurred and why the kid got more than a bump on the head. They reported obvious signs of struggle and he kept himself from suffocating for awhile. I guess freak accidents will always happen. Hopefully the manufacturer can find a way to keep their car seats from killing anyone else. Last edited by aceplace57; 04-13-2018 at 02:16 PM. |
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See link in post #11. Click on animation at top of page to see what investigators thing happened. This matches pretty well with what I described verbally in post #6.
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I don't see an animation on that page.
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The top photo has a "play" icon for me. On the desktop it autoplayed, but on the iPad, I believe I had to click on it.
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Keep in mind I have no specific knowledge of that particular 9-1-1 center, but I do work in the industry....
It is a common occurrence in my experience that the recording is MUCH clearer than the live call. Almost a given. So I'll give a tiny bit of slack on that point. After all playing a recording back often is through software that normalizes volume somewhat so a really quiet caller might sound loud and clear in the recording, and so on... But many call processing software packages have a feature for immediate playback of recently completed calls. If there was any doubt then the 911 operator and his/her supervisor should be playing that back right away to glean every possible bit of detail that might help the responding personnel. But the second call has rightly been identified as the critical error. There is absolutely no excuse for not passing along a vehicle description. Firing offence serious. And having the phone number and vehicle make/model/color the 9-1-1 personnel should have cross referenced that information with vehicle registration and driver's license records. That likely would have led to an exact license plate number as well as contact information for his family. With a solid vehicle description police should not have left the scene until their were satisfied they had checked every single gold van on the grounds. Unfortunately from a map view it appears there were a few parking areas and perhaps no clear information about which one the vehicle was in. As to specific location... there are three levels of precision... Basic 911 means the 9-1-1 center gets the call but absolutely no location information from the cell phone. E911 Phase 1 gets the location of the cell tower handling the call within 6 minutes of making the request. And E911 phase 2 gets the latitude and longitude of the call within 300 meters* within 6 minutes of making the request. None of those guarantee the exact location of a specific vehicle within a parking lot, and only Phase 2 is reasonably likely to get you to the right parking lot. Not sure which standard the call center handling these calls has. *There could be better than these margins of error. Or not. |
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The animation is very helpful in understanding the accident. Thank you.
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There were several dispatchers who should never have been hired and certainly should have been fired. While it's certainly possible that a number of technical glitches occurred in this one particular call, my money is on an incompetent operator trying to cover their ass. That's sad. |
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But 911 evolved fairly quickly into the default number for calling the police about anything. Gotta wonder how good an idea that was. If you had a different universal number for non-emergency calls, like 919 or something like that, you could have your best operators be the ones who picked up on 911. And surely part of the job of a 911 operator as it exists now is sorting out actual emergency calls from a much larger quantity of more routine calls. There'd still be some of that if there were a universal number for non-emergency calls, but once it got established, most of that sorting would go away, and it would be easier for the 911 operators to treat every incoming call like an emergency. |
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<caller> But operator, it is an emergency! I cannot find my phone charger! Someone must have broken into my home to steal it even though there is absolutely no sign of forced entry! </caller> Yes, in my experience most calls to 911 are not time critical true emergencies. A large majority. Sigh. |
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The original news story said the police canvassed the school parking lot and could not find his vehicle but his dad found him 6 hours later. Has that story changed? The thing that made no sense to me was how the police had a description of the vehicle and it was there but no one could find him (this is a school, with a limited area, not a huge university or large city).
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