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Old 04-16-2018, 09:51 AM
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Do you believe the Steele dossier? Do you think Trump got peed on?

I can imagine Donald Trump doing all kinds of slimy things. I would not put it past him that he would use prostitutes. The Steele dossier claims that either Trump got peed on by prostitutes or that they peed on a bed in his presence.
I can't believe that Trump is the type of guy who would allow women to pee on him but, I can't really imagine that happening to anyone. Have you ever been peed on? What did you get out of it?
If the prostitutes only peed on a bed in this presence, then I would say that was possible particularly if it was a set up and being filmed to use against him.
What do you think?
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Old 04-16-2018, 09:58 AM
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Old 04-16-2018, 10:00 AM
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When the dossier first came to light I thought that accusation was highly improbable.

Now, well, I think it's likely. Maybe three chances in four.
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Old 04-16-2018, 10:13 AM
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There is very little that would surprise me to learn about Trump. To paraphrase the Great Jonathan Winters, "If you told me he was the star of a real cheap horror movie, I'd believe it!"

Peed on by Russian Hookers? Sure. Dresses as a Nazi during Bunga-Bunga parties? Why not? And worse.....

Float a theory. I'm gullible.
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Old 04-16-2018, 10:19 AM
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The Comey interview suggests that the pee play could have been between the hookers and that Trump may have watched from a distance. Trump is a germophobe. I doubt he let hookers pee on him but I believe his preoccupation with hookers, germs, and Obama would have made hookers peeing in the Presidential suite where Obama once stayed a pretty exciting and compelling thing for him to watch from a few feet away.
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Old 04-16-2018, 10:21 AM
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Yeah, I believe the allegation is that he watched hookers pee on each other. I have no idea if it’s true, but anything is possible with that piece of trash.
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Old 04-16-2018, 10:21 AM
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When the dossier first came to light I thought that accusation was highly improbable.

Now, well, I think it's likely. Maybe three chances in four.
Same here. Trump's obsession with the issue and the nature of his denials make it appear much more likely there is actually something to it.

I doubt that Trump is the kind of guy to want to be peed on himself, but I could see him standing by watching hookers pee on the bed. And that would allow him to say "That never happened," without specifying exactly what didn't happen. (Not that Trump would hesitate to blatantly lie in any case.)

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Old 04-16-2018, 10:25 AM
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There is nothing that could be said about this weakling loser "president" that would surprise me. No matter how degraded, vile, ugly or twisted, I would believe that it's all probably true.
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Old 04-16-2018, 10:25 AM
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Old 04-16-2018, 11:24 AM
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Put me down as another one who originally thought it to be unlikely and hyperbolic, and is now starting to give it (the story that he watched women pee on a bed) some credence based on reports of Trump's reactions to stories of the tape existing.

As "things that bother me about Trump" go it remains way, way down the list - I'm far more concerned about things he may have done that were criminal or facilitated criminality. But I'm not ruling out that it happened.

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Old 04-16-2018, 11:36 AM
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Germophobes don't have casual sex with scores of women they know little about. I don't believe that claim.
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But they have unprotected sex with porn stars?... Or do you not believe that claim either?
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Old 04-16-2018, 11:43 AM
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There is no evidence so far that it is true, nor any that it is false, so far. It is thus unproven.

Not exactly Schroedinger's cat - more like Schroedinger's cat's litter box.

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Old 04-16-2018, 11:43 AM
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But they have unprotected sex with porn stars?... Or do you not believe that claim either?
Maybe that is why he is a germophobe.
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Old 04-16-2018, 11:53 AM
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But they have unprotected sex with porn stars?... Or do you not believe that claim either?
I don't believe germophobes have sex with porn stars. Do true germophobes have sex with anybody? Trump is not a germophobe.
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Old 04-16-2018, 12:00 PM
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I used to give it about a 50% chance of being true. Now I think it's more like 80% likely to be true.

I also think Trump's germaphobia is vastly overestimated, for the same reason Fear Itself does.
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Old 04-16-2018, 12:08 PM
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I can imagine Donald Trump doing all kinds of slimy things. I would not put it past him that he would use prostitutes. The Steele dossier claims that either Trump got peed on by prostitutes or that they peed on a bed in his presence.
I can't believe that Trump is the type of guy who would allow women to pee on him but, I can't really imagine that happening to anyone. Have you ever been peed on? What did you get out of it?
If the prostitutes only peed on a bed in this presence, then I would say that was possible particularly if it was a set up and being filmed to use against him.
What do you think?
a) In almost any other situation involving a major politician, this would be assumed to be a metaphorical question, along the same lines as "do you think he got fucked by the old guard in the party" or whatever. The times, they is a-changed, ain't they?

b) Rule 34. Specific cite. Go get amazed. ETA: not safe for work

c) No, I personally haven't been, unless kittens and hamsters count. But lots of people apparently pay for golden showers. It's a thing. It's not even a particularly marginalized thing (compared to the balloon popping thing or the clowns thing or the lawn darts thing), although it's not as mainstream as velcro cuffs and a flogger or paddle.

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Old 04-16-2018, 12:13 PM
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I...don't want to know about the "lawn darts thing".
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Old 04-16-2018, 12:18 PM
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I don't believe germophobes have sex with porn stars. Do true germophobes have sex with anybody? Trump is not a germophobe.
Well, I've heard Trump claim he was a germophobe. So that's clearly a lie.
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Old 04-16-2018, 12:32 PM
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Well, I've heard Trump claim he was a germophobe. So that's clearly a lie.
An excellent point, Sir.
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Old 04-16-2018, 12:39 PM
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There is no evidence so far that it is true, nor any that it is false, so far. It is thus unproven.
The only thing we have at this point is the reported testimony from Keith Schiller (Trump's Bodyguard) that:

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B. Schiller said he stood outside Trump’s hotel room for a period of time after Trump went to bed alone, and then went to bed himself.
And then Comey saying that Trump told him:

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he'd never stayed overnight at the hotel, he'd just changed clothes there and went to the Miss Universe pageant.
It appears that at least one of these guys is either misremembering it, or outright lying about it...
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Old 04-16-2018, 12:40 PM
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It is somewhat unlikely that 100% of the dossier is true, but I believe the majority of it will eventually be proven true. Maybe 80% will be proven true, 15% not proven either way, and 5% will be proven false. I'm sure Steele did the best he could, but there is the possibility that some of his sources could have been mistaken, exaggerated, or outright lied.

As far as the pee goes, I believe it happened. It isn't that he has urolagnia, the key thing in this story is that it was on a bed that Obama slept in. In Donald's sick mind, Obama tainted the White House by being black, and this urinating where he slept was a bit of catharsis for him. It was almost like a ritual to exorcise the black demon from leaving his personal essence at that particular spot.
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Old 04-16-2018, 12:55 PM
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It certainly possible. Trump is an immature bully, and he would see this as an attack on Obama.
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Old 04-16-2018, 01:55 PM
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Also, it's entirely possible that the hookers and/or their Russian intelligence pimp were the once to suggest the pee pee show. Russian intelligence is famous for using compromising videos to embarrass/blackmail targets and they are also famous for collecting intel on anyone who might have value. Trump as a rich and prominent American business man would certainly qualify.
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Old 04-16-2018, 02:30 PM
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Old 04-16-2018, 02:48 PM
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My personal (unproven) belief is that the sexual blackmail the Russians have on Trump involves Trump sleeping with underage girls, sleeping with unwilling girls and/or sleeping with a girl who is dressed up to look like Ivanka.

Peeing on the bed is probably the least of his worries in his sexual life.
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Old 04-16-2018, 02:53 PM
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I believe it because it's plausible, but I also don't care because his personal morals, fetishes, and peccadilloes are not relevant to his job. What IS relevant is his capacity to set up an administration that allows him to execute the duties of his office efficiently and without meaningful distraction. He has not been too successful at that, and it is for that I fault him.

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Old 04-17-2018, 11:46 AM
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That he has used hookers in his life? Possible, though I doubt it's been terribly difficult for him to get sex for free (or, at least, a good dinner).

That he got peed on in this specific instance?

Doubt it. According to Wolff's book, he didn't know what a "golden shower" was. He had vanilla sex according to Stormi. Plus I don't think one would ask the FBI to investigate it if it actually happened.

That'd be like me going to the FBI and saying "Hey, can you look into the rumor that I've ever copied a VHS tape of Show Girls? I'd really hate to get that maximum 5 years of prison and/or $250K fine."

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Old 04-17-2018, 01:38 PM
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What's the difference between a garbanzo bean and a chickpea? Trump has never had a garbanzo bean on his face.
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Old 04-17-2018, 01:57 PM
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That he has used hookers in his life? Possible, though I doubt it's been terribly difficult for him to get sex for free (or, at least, a good dinner).
Being able to “get sex for free” has nothing—zero—to do with whether someone is likely or unlikely to have hired a sex worker.

There are also folks who bring up such an argument in rape cases. Same thing there—whether or not you can “get sex for free” has no bearing on whether it’s likely or unlikely that you raped someone.
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....Have you ever been peed on? What did you get out of it?
I feel like most are ignoring this part of the OP.
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Old 04-17-2018, 02:09 PM
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At this point, yes, I think Trump had the nice Russian ladies pee on the bed that Obama slept in. I believe Trump is that petty and vindictive.

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Have you ever been peed on? What did you get out of it?
I feel like most are ignoring this part of the OP.
Imagine that.
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Old 04-17-2018, 02:19 PM
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Well, there's the whole, "I'd let her pee on my face just so I can see where it comes from" thing. See also: Hot Lunch. Never was interested in either, but I'm a pretty dull guy.
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Old 04-17-2018, 02:26 PM
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Stormy Daniels is one thing, but this seems to be out of character for him
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Old 04-17-2018, 02:50 PM
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His character is that he does whatever he wants with the belief that he is immune fr many accountability. There’s certainly nothing we know about him that makes this story unlikely, not even his supposed status as a germophobe, which we really only have his self-serving word for.
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Old 04-17-2018, 03:15 PM
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I believe it because it's plausible, but I also don't care because his personal morals, fetishes, and peccadilloes are not relevant to his job.
I care inasmuch as I believe we the public should know if there is significant potential that our president may be blackmailed, now or in the future. That is a serious goddamn situation.
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I care inasmuch as I believe we the public should know if there is significant potential that our president may be blackmailed, now or in the future. That is a serious goddamn situation.
I considered that. But the man seems to have no shame so I'm not sure the morality scandals could leverage him. His financial dealings, on the other hand, could maybe leverage him. And I do care about that stuff.
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I can imagine it happening even if he is a germaphobe. It all depends on what was the last advice he heard right before the episode.
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Old 04-17-2018, 04:18 PM
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The point is surely that if true, it would absolutely have been set up and filmed. That's the problem.
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The point is surely that if true, it would absolutely have been set up and filmed. That's the problem.
Which again brings up the Old Russian Proverb, "Don't try nothing funny, have film of you with duck".
Perhaps it was filmed and it is being kept to encourage Trump.
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I don't think Trump got peed on. That was never the allegation.

I think Putin has something more salacious on Trump than him getting off to Two Girls and a Pee-Pee Cup. But yes, I think it likely happened based on what Comey has said.
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Have you ever been peed on?
Not by anyone else. But in the course of indulging/exploring my ABDL fetish, I have peed on myself. If I were involved with a partner who was similarly deviant, I would almost certainly explore this activity with them.

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What did you get out of it?
An erection. Seriously, there are any number of sexual activities in which some part of the arousal is derived from breaking societal taboos; “watersports” is certainly one of them, and you can find plenty of relevant porn and discussion if you look in the right place (and by that I mean “the internet”).

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I can't believe that Trump is the type of guy who would allow women to pee on him…
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I doubt that Trump is the kind of guy to want to be peed on himself…
Not sure what “kind of guy” you think is into pee play; a person’s sexual interests generally aren’t something you can readily identify from the way they conduct their daily affairs. Until it’s revealed, you never know who’s actually into <whatever non-vanilla sexual activity you can think of>.

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…I also don't care because his personal morals, fetishes, and peccadilloes are not relevant to his job.
They kind of are, actually. A person who surreptitiously engages in non-vanilla (albeit entirely legal) sexual activities may be subject to blackmail. This is a major problem when said person is the President of the US. While I support his right to do whatever he wants with other consenting adults behind closed doors, having a President who is sexually “closeted” is, frankly, a national security risk. I have no idea whether Trump actually did those things, but suppose for the sake of discussion that he really did do them, and there is comprehensive video evidence of the encounter. If Trump were privately threatened with the release of that evidence, what do you think he would be willing to do with the economic, diplomatic, and military tools of the US when directed by a Russian handler?
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I’m not sure if he did or didn’t. But worrying about what people do in private was a last millennium thing I thought.
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My personal (unproven) belief is that the sexual blackmail the Russians have on Trump involves Trump sleeping with underage girls, sleeping with unwilling girls and/or sleeping with a girl who is dressed up to look like Ivanka.

Peeing on the bed is probably the least of his worries in his sexual life.
Yeah, I doubt the SVR would be squeamish about honeypotting Trump with underage prostitutes. And Trump could be goaded into watching said prostitutes urinate on a bed, or even convinced to urinate on them himself before he'd let them pee on him. The thing is if Comey's account of Trump being afraid of Melania believing the that part of the dossier is true then it does raise the question of what's he done with his wife that would make her have any chance of believing something so outlandish?
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I feel like most are ignoring this part of the OP.
It was a piss poor question.
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Germophobes don't have casual sex with scores of women they know little about. I don't believe that claim.
Trump is on record as denying that he is a germaphobe.

Of course, he is also on record as asserting that he is a germaphobe.

So, the plausiblity of the claim about the pissing prostitutes depends on the credibility of a different claim which Trump has both confirmed and denied. That's not going to get us very far.

I approach this from a different angle. The pissing prostitutes story is too good to be true. Therefore, it's probably not true.
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I’m not sure if he did or didn’t. But worrying about what people do in private was a last millennium thing I thought.
What you and I do in private, yes. What the President did in not quite private, with the tape held by our enemy, not so much.

Though if the tape comes out the evangelical preachers for Trump would probably elevate urine to the status of holy water.
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I suspect the Steele dossier contains much more damning stuff than a golden shower. This is just one more thing we are getting distracted by.

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The only thing we have at this point is the reported testimony from Keith Schiller (Trump's Bodyguard) that:

And then Comey saying that Trump told him:

It appears that at least one of these guys is either misremembering it, or outright lying about it...
Of the three, I believe Trump has the longest history of proven lies. And I have no use for Comey.
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... sleeping with unwilling girls ...
Do you mean rape? Or role-playing?
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Old 04-17-2018, 08:22 PM
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If it turns out Cohen did go to Prague, the probability of this is higher.
I think it really did happen because Agent Orange keeps talking about the tapes not coming out which wouldn't be an issue if it never happened.

As for the last question, no, since when my daughters were babies they just dribbled and because I'm lucky so far with my grandson.
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