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Old 04-18-2018, 11:59 AM
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Humanity hits new low- paedophile sex dolls

Something that actually surpasses the furry/plushy fandom to take the trophy for highest coefficient of disturbing and pathetic. Japanese company called Trottla. Image search if you dare (and no one's tracking your browser history).
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Old 04-18-2018, 12:12 PM
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I read about these sometime ago and my reaction was pretty much same as yours. However apparently the idea is that with these dolls the pedos stay away from actual kids, so in that sense I wouldn't condemn this too harshly.
But yes, it sounds pretty disturbing at first and will be used as propaganda. The comments below the story were fuming.
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Old 04-18-2018, 12:14 PM
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What's the problem with it? It's not hurting anybody, is it?
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Old 04-18-2018, 12:18 PM
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If you want one of these in Israel you are out of luck--they won't ship to Israel because "idolatry is a violation of the Jewish religion." Price is $6,700, and shipping ranges from several hundred to a few thousand dollars, unless you live in North or South Korea, in which case shipping is $50,000,000. (He really doesn't want to sell to North or South Korea.)

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Old 04-18-2018, 12:28 PM
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What's the problem with it? It's not hurting anybody, is it?
This is the pretty much the only time that I'M afraid of slippery slope.

I'm not saying that pedos should be stoned to death just for being pedos. If somebody's a pedo, OK, I don't care. However, if somebody molests a child that's completely different and unforgivable.
We don't want this to become just a minor kink for 'adventurous' types just like S/M or something.
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Old 04-18-2018, 12:37 PM
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I don't understand what you mean. The existance of these dolls will make more people paedophiles?
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Old 04-18-2018, 12:43 PM
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Ok, I'll bite. Would you prefer that pedophiles enact their fantasies with real children instead of inanimate dolls?

Child sex dolls actually made the news in Canada about a year ago. A newfie named Kenneth Harrison ordered one from Japan, and when it was delivered by law enforcement, the police arrested him and charged him with child pornography. The case is still dragging through the courts, there's no ruling yet from what I can find on google.

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We don't want this to become just a minor kink for 'adventurous' types just like S/M or something.
This is a "minor kink" that a huge majority of the population finds disgusting on a very deep level and that many people routinely suggest curing with a bullet to the head. I don't even see a slope here, never mind a slippery one.
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Old 04-18-2018, 01:01 PM
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I guess the question is whether this is analogous to methadone for a heroin addict, that will quell the craving with out the harm of the actual drug, or whether it is akin to the first glass of wine to a 12 stepper alcoholic which will remind him how good it feels and seek out stronger stuff via pornography of actual acts.

I honestly have no idea and would probably defer to the a consensus opinion of psychological experts on the subject pedophilia. Before forming an opinion one way or the other.
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Old 04-18-2018, 01:01 PM
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How did the cops know what it was? Did someone open the package (maybe in customs?) or is the delivery packaging explicit?
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Old 04-18-2018, 01:09 PM
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It had "Definitely NOT a child sex doll" on the outside packaging.
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Old 04-18-2018, 01:10 PM
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I don't understand what you mean. The existance of these dolls will make more people paedophiles?
Truth to be told, I'm not sure what I'm saying. It's pretty emotional subject and reading my previous comments even they are a little dissonant. Maybe I should be able to think this cool-headed because as far as I know, I've never met any pedos or their victims, but still it's disturbing.

But there are, as I said, adventurous types who might get a doll just for the heck of it, if it's losing it's stigma. Maybe somebody gets a novelty gift or something and thinks why not to try it.
And I don't know to what that leads. Why bait something that might be just under the surface.

But yes, I probably don't really know what I'm talking about...

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This is a "minor kink" that a huge majority of the population finds disgusting on a very deep level and that many people routinely suggest curing with a bullet to the head. I don't even see a slope here, never mind a slippery one.
Like I said I don't think it's a minor kink, but am afraid it will become one. You know, like in ancient Greece. Sure, it would take a lot of time and honestly I've no idea how Greek kids took it at the time psychologically.
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Old 04-18-2018, 01:13 PM
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Truth to be told, I'm not sure what I'm saying. It's pretty emotional subject and reading my previous comments even they are a little dissonant
Well, I appreciate your honesty.

But I don't see what's so emotional about it. It's plastic and rubber and who knows what else. It's not a real person, child or otherwise.

There are actual real children getting hurt out there, and the concern is over some plastic doll?
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Old 04-18-2018, 01:18 PM
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Maybe they could try selling them out of pizza shops in Washington DC. Nothing could go wrong with that, right?
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Old 04-18-2018, 01:18 PM
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First -- did anybody else following the news lately initially read the title as "Hannity hits new low"? (Something has been making my eyes itch and water today, which may explain it.)

Second, I see a potential problem with the dolls being used as "examples" to present the idea as "normal" to actual children (i.e. "See how I play with the doll? Now, let's us play just like that....").
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Old 04-18-2018, 01:22 PM
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How did the cops know what it was? Did someone open the package (maybe in customs?) or is the delivery packaging explicit?
The Japanese company was apparently on a Canadian watch list.
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Old 04-18-2018, 01:32 PM
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There are actual real children getting hurt out there, and the concern is over some plastic doll?
I don't care a bit about plastic dolls, not way or another. Just as long it stays as plastic dolls. Or drawings, or photo-realistic paintings or whatever. If a person is already a full-blown pedo, fine, use away.
It's the next step - if there is one - that freaks me out. This is the one group that I'm fine with pushing them into a closet. They can't have their way in a legal way, so let's not get them out in the open. We don't want any bold pedos saying there's nothing wrong with it.

I better drop this subject. I'm clearly out of my depth...
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Old 04-18-2018, 01:37 PM
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I first read this as "Hannity hits new low..." and wasn't surprised at all.
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Old 04-18-2018, 01:46 PM
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I think such dolls are exactly what's needed. I cannot even fathom why someone, given two seconds of non knee-jerking thought, wouldn't agree.
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Old 04-18-2018, 02:19 PM
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I'd kinda like to see a study done to test if the availability of the dolls reduces the number of assaults.

Heck, I'd like to see if there is anyone willing to write up a grant proposal for such a study.
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Old 04-18-2018, 02:32 PM
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Ok, I'll bite. Would you prefer that pedophiles enact their fantasies with real children instead of inanimate dolls?

Child sex dolls actually made the news in Canada about a year ago. A newfie named Kenneth Harrison ordered one from Japan, and when it was delivered by law enforcement, the police arrested him and charged him with child pornography. The case is still dragging through the courts, there's no ruling yet from what I can find on google.
Seems it would be easier and safer to just kidnap a real child then. Is your life actually any less fucked for cp than for kidnapping and murder? That doesn't seem to be a good lesson to be teaching.
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This is a "minor kink" that a huge majority of the population finds disgusting on a very deep level and that many people routinely suggest curing with a bullet to the head. I don't even see a slope here, never mind a slippery one.
Considering that, in order to fulfill their desires, they currently need to cause some level of harm to actual children (and even pictures taken 50 years ago is a type of harm), it seems to me that the better thing to do is to reduce the harm that they will do. They show up in every culture and every demographic, and that I am aware of, there are no patterns that make one more or less likely to have these desires.

Trying to prevent people from being pedophiles seems an uphill battle. Punishing the hell out of anyone who acts on their desires in a way that causes harm is a deterrent, but it seems as though giving an alternative outlet could be an even better one, especially when combined with maintaining draconian punishments for anyone who actually does harm.
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Old 04-18-2018, 02:34 PM
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I think such dolls are exactly what's needed. I cannot even fathom why someone, given two seconds of non knee-jerking thought, wouldn't agree.
That's what I was thinking. If the pedophiles can just use the dolls instead of actually going after real children, that would be a good thing, right?
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Old 04-18-2018, 02:36 PM
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As far as I can tell browsing the site and galleries, the dolls are "anatomically correct" in a superficial sense, but do not seem to have any usable orifices. The head seems to be a single piece with a molded shut mouth, and while there is the shape of labia major, there doesn't seem to be any actual genital or anal openings, and the specifications don't mention any type of removable "sleeve" thingys, which the "real doll" type adult sex dolls do, both for the genitals and (apparently) the mouth. So they really aren't "sex dolls" unless you are into mufa'khathat. (The bloggish page is Japanese only, but it has production photos of the heads.)

Here is a discussion I found with someone who bought one.
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Old 04-18-2018, 02:57 PM
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At the risk of sounding unpopular, I'm in favor of this. My understanding is that giving people access to alternatives to abusing children will reduce the number of actual children abused. Countries that legalized child porn or rape porn saw the rates of sex crimes decline.

If pedophiles have access to digitally created child porn (porn that doesn't involve any real children in its production) and they have access to lifelike sex dolls, perhaps that means fewer real children will be abused.
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Old 04-18-2018, 03:04 PM
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I agree with the "if Hannity wants to have sex with child dolls, at least he isn't having sex with real kids" contingent. Unless he's having sex with real kids too. Then, he's worse than I thought.
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Old 04-18-2018, 03:06 PM
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As far as I can tell browsing the site and galleries, the dolls are "anatomically correct" in a superficial sense, but do not seem to have any usable orifices.
I found one where the buyer had one with a vaginal insert so they are definitely available. Not going to link it here because. Ewe.

I'm with Buck Godot on whether it would be an effective placebo or just a stepping stone. I'll wait for professional opinions that don't sound like they were formed out of bias.

ETA: I think there was another exposť about 6 months ago of a seller on Alibaba. That store has since shut down. Or at least changed venue.
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Old 04-18-2018, 03:16 PM
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I found one where the buyer had one with a vaginal insert so they are definitely available. Not going to link it here because. Ewe.
Might be a after-market mod. I found a site that has specs on various sex dolls and the trottla is listed as having no usable openings. (And now I'm even more glad that I have Google adsense blocked.)
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Old 04-18-2018, 03:33 PM
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Random thoughts

1- There is no evidence showing that the dolls would decrease assaults.
2- On the other side of the coin, seeing how some p0rn and sex addicts seek more weird novelties and cannot be satisfied, one could imagine such types not being satisfied with the doll and moving on to the real thing.
3- The shipping/customs/hassle/fees/cost of doll/pickup at airport hassles are cumbersome. There is a paper trail, and one could imagine government tracking shipments and opening up at point of entry or getting a database of customers.
4- All that said, the dolls- to me- are like hentai (dirty kiddie cartoons), which is legal in the U.S. since no minor is harmed or exploited. Canada is a different story, especially at Customs. Our Constitution supports personal sexual gratification in one's home with inanimate objects. It feels like a 1984 thought crime to bust someone for screwing around with a doll.
5- This guy was sent to jail for having a doll deemed "obscene or indecent", and ironically it is pictured in all news outlets. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...16-months.html
6- Just call them "little people" (midgets) to get around it.
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Old 04-18-2018, 03:52 PM
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Something that actually surpasses the furry/plushy fandom to take the trophy for highest coefficient of disturbing and pathetic.
Nitpick: I fail to see what's even the least bit "disturbing" about people liking to dress up as (non-human) animals and pretend to be animals, as long as they aren't about sexually abusing actual animals.

On the "disturbing" spectrum, I'd put "furries" light-years away from truly pathological tendencies like pedophilia. Is there something more questionable/abusive about furry-dom that you're referencing that I'm just too innocent to know about?
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Old 04-18-2018, 04:00 PM
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Countries that legalized child porn or rape porn saw the rates of sex crimes decline.
Do we have numbers on that?
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Old 04-18-2018, 04:05 PM
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I'm not sure how I feel about this, but how is this, as the thread title puts it, humanity hitting a new low? Wouldn't "a new low" have to be lower than actual sex with actual children?
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Old 04-18-2018, 04:13 PM
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Isn't the majority of paedophilia (or child molestation) done to family members? I'd assume in that case, it's not likely a doll would fulfil the abuser's requirements.

Though I suppose if it works for a few paedophile so, it's a good thing.
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Old 04-18-2018, 04:35 PM
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Isn't the majority of paedophilia (or child molestation) done to family members? I'd assume in that case, it's not likely a doll would fulfil the abuser's requirements.

Though I suppose if it works for a few paedophile so, it's a good thing.
I don't think it is because they are family members that they are targeted, but rather, because they are family members, they are easier to target.
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Old 04-18-2018, 04:40 PM
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Isn't the majority of paedophilia (or child molestation) done to family members? I'd assume in that case, it's not likely a doll would fulfil the abuser's requirements.
Why not?

If a significant amount of child sexual abuse occurs within families, I'd be willing to bet that a key reason for that relates to access and ease of concealment.

That is, I would wager that pedophiles don't sexually abuse family members because they have a particular attraction to family members; they abuse family members because it's easier to get access to the children, and easier to ensure that the abuse remains secret.

If that's true, then the availability of a doll might work just fine.

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Old 04-18-2018, 04:41 PM
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Well, I appreciate your honesty.

But I don't see what's so emotional about it. It's plastic and rubber and who knows what else. It's not a real person, child or otherwise.

There are actual real children getting hurt out there, and the concern is over some plastic doll?
I understand where you're coming from. Here's me:

There's blow-up sex dolls (adults), been around for years. I'm sure they satisfy countless fetishes and sexual desires. They might keep sickos from raping someone. Although I've read that some use sex dolls to feel more comfortable when they meet a flesh and blood sex partner. Eases their unawareness.

Now change the word (adults) to children in the above paragraph and see how that feels.

I worry pedos might use a child sex doll for the same purpose. To feel more comfortable when they seduce a real child. So, no on these dolls for me.
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Old 04-18-2018, 04:56 PM
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The thing is that to be a child molester one doesn't just have to be a pedo, he also has to be a psychopath. Now what are the odds to be both. And still there are a lot of them out there as we read from the papers.

If these dolls normalize it even a little bit, the molesters may add to their ranks pedos that are sociopaths, and then maybe loners who don't have no friends or family to denounce them and so on... I really don't like that picture.

I really can't predict how this would turn out. It may be good, or it may be a disaster. We're all guessing here.
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Old 04-18-2018, 05:10 PM
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Second, I see a potential problem with the dolls being used as "examples" to present the idea as "normal" to actual children (i.e. "See how I play with the doll? Now, let's us play just like that....").
I think this fear is pretty well-founded.

I feel like pedophilia is not just a cultural taboo, it's a biological/evolutionary taboo. For this reason, I don't think it's ever going to "become a kink" or anything like that.

A fetish for post-pubescent, but pre-adult, children...that might be something that's biologically not taboo, but which society has collectively decided should be, because of what we know about the development of young minds. Historically, marriages between older men and teenage girls was not uncommon, nor sexual liasons between grown men and teenage boys. But those were more primitive times.
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Old 04-18-2018, 07:06 PM
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From the company's website:
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countries under judicial systems and rules beyond our comprehension, countries at war, or countries with policies against Japan.
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Well, that leaves out the US until the next presidential election.
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Old 04-18-2018, 07:14 PM
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For those arguing against mainstreaming such dolls, is the idea that some pedophiles who otherwise would never make the leap to molestation of children would make that leap if they had access to kiddie sex dolls to use as a stepping stone? That seems rather unlikely to me. If you're going to molest kids, you're going to molest kids. If you're a psychopath, you're a psychopath. You don't become one via a slippery slope. (altho I will admit I could be dead wrong here)
Where I think these dolls might be valuable is as a form of "treatment" for non-molesting pedophiles who still struggle with their urges. It's not to ward off any potential molestation of children but rather to make the lives of the pedophiles easier and more functional.

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At the risk of sounding unpopular, I'm in favor of this. My understanding is that giving people access to alternatives to abusing children will reduce the number of actual children abused. Countries that legalized child porn or rape porn saw the rates of sex crimes decline.
I know I've heard this before, but could never find a cute, do you know one?
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I know I've heard this before, but could never find a cute, do you know one?
http://healthland.time.com/2010/12/0...b-child-abuse/ It's not exactly what you are looking for but it's something.
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Now that is a typo.
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Old 04-18-2018, 08:12 PM
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Cute. I mean clit. Cunt! I mean cite. CITE!

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I think, at least from an American perspective, the burden of proof needs to be on the pro-banning side to show that there is significant statistical correlation that it will escalate to real abuse, more than just "Well, I'm pretty sure someone somewhere will graduate from a doll to an actual child."

I mean, if you're really that worried, aren't there a ton of other things out there that have much more potential impact? How much child abuse comes from religion, can we ban/regulate that first? And if you're a NRA/2dn Amendment sort of person, I'm not sure how you can accept that a few times a year, some 5-year-old is going to eat Daddy's pistol, but somehow a sex doll that might possibly encourage a sex predator at some point is unacceptable.
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There are actual real children getting hurt out there, and the concern is over some plastic doll?
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I think such dolls are exactly what's needed. I cannot even fathom why someone, given two seconds of non knee-jerking thought, wouldn't agree.
People are afraid this will "normalize" set with children.

Sexual practices previously thought sick and disgusting are now acceptable, such as furry-ism and B&D and whatever.

I think this is a false fear, as long as people acknowledge that sex requires competent consent, but I think it deserves to be talked through.
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I think, at least from an American perspective, the burden of proof needs to be on the pro-banning side to show that there is significant statistical correlation that it will escalate to real abuse, more than just "Well, I'm pretty sure someone somewhere will graduate from a doll to an actual child."

I mean, if you're really that worried, aren't there a ton of other things out there that have much more potential impact? How much child abuse comes from religion, can we ban/regulate that first? And if you're a NRA/2dn Amendment sort of person, I'm not sure how you can accept that a few times a year, some 5-year-old is going to eat Daddy's pistol, but somehow a sex doll that might possibly encourage a sex predator at some point is unacceptable.
Agreed. I think a lot of the opposition to the dolls comes from a visceral, emotional reaction of disgust rather than a rational dissection of the details.
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First -- did anybody else following the news lately initially read the title as "Hannity hits new low"?
Yes, and I still see it, though I know it doesn't say that.
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There have constantly been claims that having simulations of the real thing--in books, photos, movies, video games, etc.--would cause more people to do the bad things. But research seems to indicate otherwise in the situations in which I am aware. Porn seems to decrease the need for sex. People who play violent video games seem to have a better handle on aggression.

I think it's highly likely that these dolls would help decrease the number of offenders. Pedophilia is NOT merely an orientation, but a disorder. Pedophiles feel an intense desire to do these things, even if they know it's wrong. If they had something to help with those urges, it could help. Child porn isn't acceptable, because it hurts real kids. But dolls like this, and entirely fake stuff? It seems like it would be helpful.

Barring them getting into the hands of kids just developing their sexuality, there's basically no chance that a non-pedophile will turn into a pedophile. So you definitely aren't creating more of them. And most child molesters don't identify as pedophiles, so you're not likely to have them getting these dolls.

I don't see any sign that guys that get fleshlights or realdolls are more likely to have sex with women.

I do think it's just a visceral reaction--one that is evolutionary. But we can't really create laws based on visceral reactions. That way results in a lot of other things being a problem. We outlaw things we wouldn't want happening to us.
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