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Old 06-15-2018, 10:28 AM
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And Now Chris Hardwick [domestic abuse allegations]

Apparently an abusive asshole.
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Old 06-15-2018, 10:45 AM
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I only know Chloe Dykstra from a few things on Youtube, and Chris Hardwick mostly from The Talking Dead. Is it common knowledge that they dated? And if the boyfriend was Chris Hardwick, then, yes, he's an asshole.
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I only know Chloe Dykstra from a few things on Youtube, and Chris Hardwick mostly from The Talking Dead. Is it common knowledge that they dated? And if the boyfriend was Chris Hardwick, then, yes, he's an asshole.
Yes, this is 100% about Chris Hardwick.
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Old 06-15-2018, 11:24 AM
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Yes, this is 100% about Chris Hardwick.
Why do we know this? Is he the only guy she dated that long or what? The mention that the anonymous jerk got engaged to someone else shortly after?

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Old 06-15-2018, 11:29 AM
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Ok, I looked at an article about it. There's a number of "identifying details".
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Old 06-15-2018, 11:30 AM
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Why do we know this? Is he the only guy she dated that long or what? The mention that the anonymous jerk got engaged to someone else shortly after?
She made it very clear. Unless she is in a habit of dating older guys who started off as podcasters and became the CEO of their own company.
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Old 06-15-2018, 11:49 AM
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we're talking about a person who gets paid to talk about zombie drama.
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Old 06-15-2018, 11:53 AM
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To be fair, and note I am not saying I do not believe her, but we are getting a one-sided story from a person with an admitted serious mental illness.
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Old 06-15-2018, 11:56 AM
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Chris may well be an asshole.

But Chloe......how do I say this and not be.....I mean.....

For fuck's sake. You coulda just broke up with him.
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Old 06-15-2018, 11:59 AM
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To be fair, and note I am not saying I do not believe her, but we are getting a one-sided story from a person with an admitted serious mental illness.
You mean anorexia? If so, a model with that is kind of an occupational hazard and I don't see why that would cast doubt on her recollections.
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Old 06-15-2018, 12:03 PM
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Chris may well be an asshole.

But Chloe......how do I say this and not be.....I mean.....

For fuck's sake. You coulda just broke up with him.
That's true of amost all abusive relationships. She addresses it in her essay. But so what? If she had only dated him for a month, would that be your response to the story?
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Old 06-15-2018, 12:04 PM
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You mean anorexia? If so, a model with that is kind of an occupational hazard and I don't see why that would cast doubt on her recollections.
I didn't read the article, but when my (now ex) wife had anorexia, she 100% did not think like a normal person.
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You mean anorexia? If so, a model with that is kind of an occupational hazard and I don't see why that would cast doubt on her recollections.
Yes, that one. Anorexia is not just about eating and weight, there are very serious mental/behavioral components as well. Apathy, depression, social withdrawal and isolation, extreme denial and distortion of one's perception of reality are common, but not widely known symptoms of the illness.

Again, not saying I don't believe her, and I don't have a problem believing Chris Hardwick is an asshole, but while "grain of salt" might be too harsh an idiom to use here, I don't have a better one. Her memory might not be faulty, but her perception and interpretation of Hardwick's behavior may not be 100% accurate.
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Old 06-15-2018, 12:17 PM
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Just seems to me that anorexia in a woman whose job is dressing up as sexy comic book characters might not be your classic anorexia. But what do I know?

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Old 06-15-2018, 12:37 PM
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It's kind of messed up that she's just had a movie come out where she stars, along with another rapist. I mean, I believe her, no question, but why didn't she believe Stoya and the others, and defend James Deen on Twitter?

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Old 06-15-2018, 12:54 PM
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That's true of amost all abusive relationships. She addresses it in her essay. But so what? If she had only dated him for a month, would that be your response to the story?
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Our relationship started out poorly. Within 2 weeks, rules were quickly established. Some of these included:

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These were just a few of them. And I made the choice to accept his controlling behavior, as hed just left his long-term girlfriend and I assumed that he was going through some serious emotional discomfort. This was a huge mistake.
She saw what he was in their first 2 weeks. She has much deeper problems than him being a bad guy.
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Old 06-15-2018, 01:10 PM
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How completely awful. She should name him outright.
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Old 06-15-2018, 01:16 PM
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How completely awful. She should name him outright.
Ever heard of libel?
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She saw what he was in their first 2 weeks. She has much deeper problems than him being a bad guy.
Or maybe a bad guy had an easier time taking advantage of a woman because of her deeper problems. Did that occur to you?
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Or maybe a bad guy had an easier time taking advantage of a woman because of her deeper problems. Did that occur to you?
Or maybe two bad people found one another.
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Or maybe two bad people found one another.
In what way is she a bad person? It's quite bizarre to say he was loathsome shit but she let him, so it's a wash.
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In what way is she a bad person? It's quite bizarre to say he was loathsome shit but she let him, so it's a wash.
She wrote an anonymous hit piece. That says enough. Unless she was kept in shakles she was always free to leave. We need to hear both sides before we decide who is loathsome.
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Old 06-15-2018, 01:34 PM
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I don't think that "says enough" but whatever. I'm done.
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Old 06-15-2018, 01:38 PM
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She wrote an anonymous hit piece. That says enough.
When did she write an anonymous piece? The one linked to in this thread is not anonymous.
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When did she write an anonymous piece? The one linked to in this thread is not anonymous.
I mean she didn't come out and name him. She didn't want to be sued. Accusations don't equal actuality. Innocent till proven guilty, right?
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She wrote an anonymous hit piece. That says enough. Unless she was kept in shakles she was always free to leave. We need to hear both sides before we decide who is loathsome.
She told her story, so she is a loathsome person?
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She told her story, so she is a loathsome person?
If she has lied and distorted then yes.
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Old 06-15-2018, 01:51 PM
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I mean she didn't come out and name him.
If her accusations are false, then naming him would be worse than not naming him, wouldn't it?

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Accusations don't equal actuality. Innocent till proven guilty, right?
If Chris Hardwick was convicted and sent to jail purely on the basis of this article, he should be released immediately.
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If she has lied and distorted then yes.
Which.....you have no evidence of,right? It's possible, so therefore "two bad people found each other" and the sheer fact that she told her story means she probably is loathsome?


Assume for a moment that is possible that there are no distortions, and everything she wrote is absolutely true. Instead of assuming the worst about her, based on a woman telling her story, try starting from the point that you don't have any idea if she is loathsome, but there is some evidence - if nothing else, the story she told- that maybe he is.


But hey, no shackles, she should have left.
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Old 06-15-2018, 01:53 PM
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We need to hear both sides of this story.
. . . before what? Either he says "yep, it's all true," or he says, "she's lying, I never did any of the fairly specific stuff she claims!" And if it's the latter, then what?
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If her accusations are false, then naming him would be worse than not naming him, wouldn't it?


If Chris Hardwick was convicted and sent to jail purely on the basis of this article, he should be released immediately.
No. She took the cowards way out. Had she named him and the allegations were false he could sue her and clear his name.
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I mean she didn't come out and name him. She didn't want to be sued. Accusations don't equal actuality. Innocent till proven guilty, right?



Are you assuming her innocence as well, or ave you decided that "maybe two bad people found each other"?
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Which.....you have no evidence of,right? It's possible, so therefore "two bad people found each other" and the sheer fact that she told her story means she probably is loathsome?


Assume for a moment that is possible that there are no distortions, and everything she wrote is absolutely true. Instead of assuming the worst about her, based on a woman telling her story, try starting from the point that you don't have any idea if she is loathsome, but there is some evidence - if nothing else, the story she told- that maybe he is.


But hey, no shackles, she should have left.
Are you trying to say that we should wait to pass judgment until Hardwick gets a chance to be heard and actual evidence emerges?

Then yes.
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Are you assuming her innocence as well, or ave you decided that "maybe two bad people found each other"?
We have no evidence to decide either way so yes.
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But you have decided, madsircool. You have decided that she is coward, bad, loathsome, and free to leave. You aren't impartial at all.
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Are you trying to say that we should wait to pass judgment until Hardwick gets a chance to be heard and actual evidence emerges?

Then yes.
It's not a court case.

Why are you so invested in trying to make it one?
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This thread reads like a point-by-point history lesson of all the ways women were systematically silenced about domestic violence.

Thanks to those who are trying to push back on that.
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It's not a court case.

Why are you so invested in trying to make it one?
Because I remember many a time when innocents have been swept up in hysteria. The Salem Witch Trials. The McMartin case and the hysteria over abuse in pre schools. The McCarthy hearings.

Lets wait to see if the facts support the allegations before we destroy a persons life.
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This thread reads like a point-by-point history lesson of all the ways women were systematically silenced about domestic violence.

Thanks to those who are trying to push back on that.
Bullshit. Where is the evidence? Why didn't she name him?
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Anyway... he'll be fine. He literally married an heiress and never has to work another day in his life.
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Anyway... he'll be fine. He literally married an heiress and never has to work another day in his life.
If he is guilty of what he had been accused of then I feel for his wife.

To restate: I don't support Hardwicke. I'm saying lets wait for the evidence to come in before we believe terrible things about him.

Its in living memory of some of us that the simple allegation of a white woman could get a man lynched. Lets try to be a bit more civilized.
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If he is guilty of what he had been accused of then I feel for his wife.

To restate: I don't support Hardwicke. I'm saying lets wait for the evidence to come in before we believe terrible things about him.

Its in living memory of some of us that the simple allegation of a white woman could get a man lynched. Lets try to be a bit more civilized.

Exactly what evidence are you waiting for? do you think CSI is going to get on the case and come here to post irrefutable proof? this is all we have and all we are ever going to get, you either believe her or you don't.
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Exactly what evidence are you waiting for? do you think CSI is going to get on the case and come here to post irrefutable proof? this is all we have and all we are ever going to get, you either believe her or you don't.
Most abusive men leave a trail of victims. If another woman comes forward ill change my position.
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No. She took the cowards way out. Had she named him and the allegations were false he could sue her and clear his name.
Telling the truth, and there's no reason to believe it's not the truth, is never the coward's way out.

I can't imagine calling a woman who may be an abuse victim a "coward" simply for telling her story. It's truly monstrous. How would you feel if someone close to you, very bravely, told a very difficult story about their lives, and were then called "cowards" and worse by anonymous strangers? Why is this okay?
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I'm saying lets wait for the evidence to come in before we believe terrible things about him.
You didn't wait for any evidence before calling Dykstra a "coward". I wonder why the difference?
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Most abusive men leave a trail of victims. If another woman comes forward ill change my position.
I written and deleted about 6 different responses and none seem adequate.

And people wonder why women dont come forward in droves.
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I am curious what the people who think she is lying think she stands to gain from making this up? She already had fame in her circle. All this does is invite attack and people calling her "loathsome" and worse. She literally has no reason to make this up.
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I am curious what the people who think she is lying think she stands to gain from making this up? She already had fame in her circle. All this does is invite attack and people calling her "loathsome" and worse. She literally has no reason to make this up.
Some people despise women, or at least women who don't stay silent. It's sad and loathsome and terrible for our society, but it's true.
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