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Old 09-18-2018, 06:19 AM
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How do porn aggregators confirm the legal age of all the porn "actors" who upload videos?

Ive idly wondered this for some time, specifically how do sites like Pornhub make sure they aren't broadcasting underage porn with all of the seemingly anonymous videos they allow to be uploaded to their sites? I've seen some very suspicious videos with some very child-like girls doing hard-core porn. And I don't mean the professional variety that purposely tries to make their legal-aged porn actors appear as young as possible. I mean the amateur videos recorded on people's phones. I don't understand how or what they do (Pornhub) to enact CYA policies. I can't figure it out but they must, right?
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They don’t. Unless it’s flagged by the community or someone with Admin privileges sees it and gets suspicious. They do have software which can detect priors, basically if a video or a subject in it has been identified as actual or potential child pornography or underage elsewhere, it might be caught.
Most Child Porn is not found on Porn Website, rather on the Dark Web.
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Yeah, I would expect the policy is similar to those of Twitter or YouTube : let anything in no questions asked ; but hair-trigger on any user complaint. Not just for child porn either - revenge porn has also been problematic on pornhub before.
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Yes, no doubt a few slip by, like Traci Lords, but she didnt look that young. Sure, there might be a few 17yo out there, which is sad, but those arent want child porn perverts want.
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Old 09-18-2018, 10:10 AM
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Yeah, I would expect the policy is similar to those of Twitter or YouTube : let anything in no questions asked ; but hair-trigger on any user complaint. Not just for child porn either - revenge porn has also been problematic on pornhub before.
Wouldn't the frequenters of those sites, or at least those who gravitate towards such types of videos be reticent or uninterested in reporting them? And no, I do not seek such videos out, if you accidentally click on a particular category of video, the site's software will label that category as a "preference" and include such videos in the general offerings when you log in. But relying on hard core porn consumers to police other hard(er) porn disseminators seems like a weak system. I would hazard a guess that it "works" because no one who comes in contact with it really cares. Shit, I consider myself in possession of a fairly developed moral compass and other than add my scolding 2 cents to a bunch of comments that were lusting over what could not have been older than a 15 year old girl, this thread right here is the extent of my "pushback" on the issue.

ETA: and how would "revenge porn" even be identified, without a video title stating as much? And as shown with the ubiquity of "incest porn", all they have to do is put a disturbing label on otherwise innocuous porn. Or in the case of revenge porn, put an innocuous title on disturbing content.

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They dont. Unless its flagged by the community or someone with Admin privileges sees it and gets suspicious. They do have software which can detect priors, basically if a video or a subject in it has been identified as actual or potential child pornography or underage elsewhere, it might be caught.
Most Child Porn is not found on Porn Website, rather on the Dark Web.
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"Child porn" being defined as porn featuring anyone under the age of 18? What is the method of discovery on the dark web? And i pose the same question to you as to kobal2, depending on the very community which consumes and promotes such material to also police themselves for it seems pretty weak. But it looks like you have it on good authority that this is straight dope on the matter. So rather than disagree, I would instead want to know more details.
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Those websites have a precarious existence. Moral guardians already want them to be shut down and look for excuses. So they are incentivised to keep a look out.
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Pornhub's Terms and Conditions make for a fascinating read.

Among the many - *many* - disclaimers in them is this gem:

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post any Content for which you have not maintained written documentation sufficient to confirm that all subjects of your posts are, in fact, over 18 years of age (or older in any other location in which 18 is not the minimum age of majority);

post any Content depicting child pornography, rape, snuff, torture, death, violence, or incest, racial slurs or hate speech, (either aurally or via the written word)
You can find similar prohibitions elsewhere, as in their 18 USC 2257 Statement.

As people have already said, I'm sure they're quick to take down any questionable videos as soon as a formal complaint is made. More than 800,000 amateur videos were posted in 2017 alone. Who knows if all of them have been seen ever by anyone? They may wind up getting burned by a scandal, but in the meantime their asses are covered in a thick layer of mylar.
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Those websites have a precarious existence. Moral guardians already want them to be shut down and look for excuses. So they are incentivised to keep a look out.
By proclaiming it is the sole responsibility of those who upload the videos to ensure that said videos are not in violation of their stated rules? That just seems like self-serving but totally toothless CYA lip service. There is no tracking the identities of those who upload videos or of verifying which videos do or don't feature underage actors. Given the ubiquity of "young teen" professional porn, it would also seem to be in conflict with a known source of income to be too scrutinizing about the specific nature of the source of a section of that income.
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By proclaiming it is the sole responsibility of those who upload the videos to ensure that said videos are not in violation of their stated rules? That just seems like self-serving but totally toothless CYA lip service. There is no tracking the identities of those who upload videos or of verifying which videos do or don't feature underage actors. Given the ubiquity of "young teen" professional porn, it would also seem to be in conflict with a known source of income to be too scrutinizing about the specific nature of the source of a section of that income.
You keep saying this. Other than anecdotal observation - and perhaps those girls are picked because they look young and/or are made-up to look younger - do you have any evidence that Pornhub or anyone else are turning their heads and allowing videos with underage performers? Have there been news reports on this? Court cases? Activist groups complaining?

If there are, good on them. Cite them and link to them and let us see what's happening. Until then your eyes aren't evidence.

BTW, Have you yourself reported these "suspicious" videos. If nobody reports them, how do you expect Porthub to take action?
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But relying on hard core porn consumers to police other hard(er) porn disseminators seems like a weak system. I would hazard a guess that it "works" because no one who comes in contact with it really cares. Shit, I consider myself in possession of a fairly developed moral compass and other than add my scolding 2 cents to a bunch of comments that were lusting over what could not have been older than a 15 year old girl, this thread right here is the extent of my "pushback" on the issue.
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You keep saying this. Other than anecdotal observation - and perhaps those girls are picked because they look young and/or are made-up to look younger - do you have any evidence that Pornhub or anyone else are turning their heads and allowing videos with underage performers? Have there been news reports on this? Court cases? Activist groups complaining?

If there are, good on them. Cite them and link to them and let us see what's happening. Until then your eyes aren't evidence.

BTW, Have you yourself reported these "suspicious" videos. If nobody reports them, how do you expect Porthub to take action?
Above, Ive bolded the section of my earlier post where I've already addressed the substance of your ETA question. To add to it, part of the reason I never reported anything is because I always told myself "hey, they wouldnt let this shit stay on here if it really was underage shit". It was just upon further reflection that I just couldn't find a reasonable mechanism for such confidence.

Also, I dont think I articulated myself clearly in re to the professional genre of "young teen" porn. I never meant to imply that these girls were underage. These are girls of legal age who are chosen for their youthful appearance. On top of this, the aspects of the video production also lend themselves to youth and innocence with things like pigtails, high school cheerleader uniforms, as well as adorning the girls and the set with bright, gawdy colors. I was using the fact that this genre of professional porn is so popular to speculate that it would behoove the sites to make less-than-strenuous efforts at policing the amateur versions of these types of porn videos.

And of course I have no evidence of malfeasance. On the part of Pornhub or anyone. I am just mildly incredulous that they can tell these advocacy groups that they are doing everything they can to police their sites for illegal porn. Now just as i began this post by highlighting that the extent of my involvement in this matter amounted to little more than this thread and some critical comments to a few random site members, it should come as no shock that I havent done too much outside research on the matter. I never claimed my eyes were "evidence". Im a bit offended at the notion I would be assumed to be such a rube. Just because something seems outlandish to me doesn't mean that seeming outlandishness=proof.
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On the part of Pornhub or anyone. I am just mildly incredulous that they can tell these advocacy groups that they are doing everything they can to police their sites for illegal porn.
Ok, we have two groups here:

A. Perverts looking for pre-pubescent kids, illegal porn.

B. and a 17 yo girl (maybe with fake id?) slipping by

A. The kiddie porn perverts look for keywords, the sites monitor those keywords. They are also quick to shut down anything that looks skeevy that is report.

B. No real way to tell, maybe it happens, but the kiddie porn perverts aren't looking for that, anyway.
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I have definitely seen the occasional video while searching Pornhub where I question the age of the performer. They aren't common, but they do show up.

What's more disturbing, however, is that I do not notice an easy way to report anything. (I've also wanted to report videos that appear to actually be hidden camera and not ones faking that aspect.)

I could see how easy reporting and fast action might be enough to remove them from liability. That, as soon as they know it might be child porn, they have to remove it. But that doesn't seem to be how it works.

I also note that Pornhub has tons of quite obvious copyvios. I mean, the videos will flat out say that they are only available paid. They don't seem to care about that, either.
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Ok, we have two groups here:

A. Perverts looking for pre-pubescent kids, illegal porn.

B. and a 17 yo girl (maybe with fake id?) slipping by

A. The kiddie porn perverts look for keywords, the sites monitor those keywords. They are also quick to shut down anything that looks skeevy that is report.

B. No real way to tell, maybe it happens, but the kiddie porn perverts aren't looking for that, anyway.
Im most concerned with cases similar to B) I think most true child porn aficionados dont browse pornhub looking for pedophiliac porn. And still, the porn opponents groups are looking for that. But in the case of your B) example, where would a fake id even become relevant or necessary when it comes to uploading personal porn to these sites? There is absolutely no verification process whatsoever. You kust have to upload and presto, you got online porn.
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I knew a guy that worked at a video store when the Traci Lords thing broke. They had to turn over all of her videos to the FBI, and if any were rented out they had to recover them immediately. Additionally, someone had to review all their porn tapes to see if any had, er, coming attractions trailer which featured Ms. Lords. So the people whose job it is to watch out for stuff like that take it very seriously. I'm also pretty sure that a site like pornhub keeps records of the originating IP address for its uploads and shares that info with law enforcement upon request.
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ETA: and how would "revenge porn" even be identified, without a video title stating as much? And as shown with the ubiquity of "incest porn", all they have to do is put a disturbing label on otherwise innocuous porn. Or in the case of revenge porn, put an innocuous title on disturbing content.

The whole point of revenge porn is to ruin the victim's life. They're typically not only named, but doxxed as well.
And in any event the victim him- or herself is typically threatened with it or spitefully informed (the revenger typically emails the link to the victim's friends, parents, boss... as well) ; at which point they can contact PH to hopefully get it removed.
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Have you ever uploaded a video there yourself? How do you know how easy it is? Maybe they do make you scan your ID or something.
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Have you ever uploaded a video there yourself?
...do you really want an honest answer to that question?
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ETA: and how would "revenge porn" even be identified, without a video title stating as much?
Generally, it's identified because the revenge'd person sees themself in it. Or some 'friend' sees them in it, and notifies them. (Often the revenege'r ensures this, by emailing a link to it to every friend & relative of the subject.) Also, they tend to state this in the comments -- that's a away of attracting more views.

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I also note that Pornhub has tons of quite obvious copyvios. I mean, the videos will flat out say that they are only available paid. They don't seem to care about that, either.
They aren't usually copyright violations.
Mostly they are snippets posted by the actual copyright owner, as 'previews' to attract paid customers. That's why they often end with an advertisement 'click this link to see the full video'. Just like 'free samples' given out in grocery stores or perfume counters, an attempt to attract new customers.
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Generally, it's identified because the revenge'd person sees themself in it. Or some 'friend' sees them in it, and notifies them. (Often the revenege'r ensures this, by emailing a link to it to every friend & relative of the subject.) Also, they tend to state this in the comments -- that's a away of attracting more views.

They aren't usually copyright violations.
Mostly they are snippets posted by the actual copyright owner, as 'previews' to attract paid customers. That's why they often end with an advertisement 'click this link to see the full video'. Just like 'free samples' given out in grocery stores or perfume counters, an attempt to attract new customers.
Yep, they end right before the "money shot" and tell you to go to such and such a site if you want the full video.
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Have you ever uploaded a video there yourself? How do you know how easy it is? Maybe they do make you scan your ID or something.
A friend told me.
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The whole point of revenge porn is to ruin the victim's life. They're typically not only named, but doxxed as well.
And in any event the victim him- or herself is typically threatened with it or spitefully informed (the revenger typically emails the link to the victim's friends, parents, boss... as well) ; at which point they can contact PH to hopefully get it removed.
Ive never seen anyone named or "outed" on any amateur porn video on pornhub. While I can't know, I hazard a guess that I've spent more time on that site than you (im careful to couch that as a guess tho ) With what is currently "en vogue" in professional porn (amateur porn seems to pick up the trends of it's professional counterpart) its virtually impossible to identify what is real "revenge porn" and what is "revenge-play" porn. The younger generation, which is the overwhelming share of amateur porn producers, have a distorted relation with sex in general, due to the normalization of porn as they grew into puberty and beyond. An extreme imbalance in gender roles, mysoginy, no concern for the female's pleasure, extreme and unusual sex acts, etc. These things are run-of-the-mill these days.

And upon thinking for a minute, I suppose it's possible that I never even see any evidence of these doxxing revenge videos because of the fact that the perpetrators also always, without fail, email the victim to inform them of the devastating news and the victim always manages to contact PH in a very prompt fashion AND ph always immediately removes the video. I can't rule out that possibility. I am dubious though.
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I also note that Pornhub has tons of quite obvious copyvios. I mean, the videos will flat out say that they are only available paid. They don't seem to care about that, either.
This is because the same company owns Pornhub and a lot of the video producers.

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...do you really want an honest answer to that question?
I'm at a loss as to what significance an honest answer, irrespective of whatever it might have otherwise been, you were implying may have had on him other than to satisfactorily answer his question. Care to elucidate, SA?

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Ive never seen anyone named or "outed" on any amateur porn video on pornhub. While I can't know, I hazard a guess that I've spent more time on that site than you (im careful to couch that as a guess tho )

Is this a challenge ? Are we going to have to have a wank-off ?


OK, more serious answer : I haven't either (but then again I'm not really into amateur porn). But they acknowledged it was enough of a problem to address it officially and with as much alacrity as they can - due to the nature of revenge porn and the Streisand Effect, the faster and quieter videos are taken down the less chance they're copied and re-published by third parties.
Relevant interesting funnyman bit.
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I knew a guy that worked at a video store when the Traci Lords thing broke. They had to turn over all of her videos to the FBI, and if any were rented out they had to recover them immediately. Additionally, someone had to review all their porn tapes to see if any had, er, coming attractions trailer which featured Ms. Lords. So the people whose job it is to watch out for stuff like that take it very seriously. I'm also pretty sure that a site like pornhub keeps records of the originating IP address for its uploads and shares that info with law enforcement upon request.
I'm not sure about this.

I was the guy that worked at the video store when the Traci Lords thing broke (1985 or 1986 I'd guess without checking). I pulled her films, and I'd guess we had over 50 films with her. We didn't look for trailers, we didn't call anyone that had her films, and the FBI didn't come knocking at our door. There had to be thousands (tens of thousands?) of mom and pop video stores back then. Most had porn. The FBI had neither the ability (or desire I'd think) to go door to door on all of those stores. We pulled them because we received a letter (a snail mail letter) from one of her distributors so there wasn't this huge rush.

As many may recall, Traci was also in the Penthouse issue that had Miss America nude when Traci was 15. Not sure the FBI was going door to door on those 600,000 copies either.
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I'm at a loss as to what significance an honest answer, irrespective of whatever it might have otherwise been, you were implying may have had on him other than to satisfactorily answer his question. Care to elucidate, SA?
I meant "does he really want to know the answer to that question."

And that was a horrible sentence.
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Well I reported my first video. Let's see what, if anything, happens. It's an amateur video with an obviously underage brace-faced girl backstage somewhere getting, um, Manna from the Gods, several Gods, rained down upon her. At one point towards the end of the video, if you pay close attention you can hear her say (and see her mouth) "I'm 17", in response to someone unheard off-camera. Immediately you hear a guy saying, "don't say that", Seems pretty cut and dry to me. But lets see.
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By proclaiming it is the sole responsibility of those who upload the videos to ensure that said videos are not in violation of their stated rules? That just seems like self-serving but totally toothless CYA lip service.
It actually has quite a bit of bite under federal law. Take a look at the Electronic Freedom Foundation's summary of Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996.

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In the TOS they are explicitly stating that their users, and not their site, are the content providers. That wasn't toothless. It generally provided pretty robust protection as long as they had some kind of takedown procedure in place. Early this year there was legislation that limited the amount of protection given to hosts under Section 230. It was specifically targeted at sites profiting from human trafficking of sex workers, to include minors.
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It actually has quite a bit of bite under federal law. Take a look at the Electronic Freedom Foundation's summary of Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996.



In the TOS they are explicitly stating that their users, and not their site, are the content providers. That wasn't toothless. It generally provided pretty robust protection as long as they had some kind of takedown procedure in place. Early this year there was legislation that limited the amount of protection given to hosts under Section 230. It was specifically targeted at sites profiting from human trafficking of sex workers, to include minors.
When i said "toothless" I was referring to impact, or more specifically the lack thereof, on the ultimate outcome, regardless of legal culpability, of broadcasting underage porn on the internet.

Also, I'm curious as to how they go about ascertaining the veracity of the claimed illegality of these reported videos. Certainly not all underage videos feature the girl admitting to her age in the video as the video I reported did.
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Im wondering what process they have in place for ensuring, to the best of their ability, that they don't remove perfectly legal material that was reported fraudulently by a person who simply did not like the video or person who uploaded the video (for whatever reasons). Do they require the reporter to submit a form of proof of claim?
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Also, if a video featuring an underage girl freaking admitting to her age on camera somehow manages to slip thru the cracks for well over a year (it was listed as being posted in early 2017), I can't help but to question the overall effectiveness of the user report-based system.

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Im wondering what process they have in place for ensuring, to the best of their ability, that they don't remove perfectly legal material that was reported fraudulently by a person who simply did not like the video or person who uploaded the video (for whatever reasons). Do they require the reporter to submit a form of proof of claim?
People complain about this happening on every single site on the Internet that allows uploads. The outcome depends on the process, the number of humans the site has investigating these claims, and the possible uproar elsewhere on the net. It depends. There is no one possible answer.

IOW, the answer to this question is exactly like the answer to your original OP.
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Those sites are policed by the users fairly well from what I can tell. The vast majority of porn consumers don't want to look at child porn or genuine non-consensual porn (as opposed to consensual non-consent). So I'm assuming those videos get reported and taken down pretty rapidly.
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The younger generation, which is the overwhelming share of amateur porn producers, have a distorted relation with sex in general, due to the normalization of porn as they grew into puberty and beyond. An extreme imbalance in gender roles, mysoginy, no concern for the female's pleasure, extreme and unusual sex acts, etc. These things are run-of-the-mill these days.
My old pastor has discussed this kind of thing many times, and I was skeptical because I just wasn't hearing or reading about it any place else, but now that you mention it, I suspect that he's probably right. His wife even posted on Facebook that in their city, when OB/GYNs do infertility evaluations, the first question asked is, "Do you engage in penis-in-vagina intercourse, and if so, does he finish inside her?" I was like, wait, what? When I read that, I had a cat sitting on my computer table whose sire and dam were able to figure that out all by themselves, and that's how I replied. I mean, c'mon, your average 10-year-old should know that this is how babies are made. Another thing he mentioned was the rise in forcible anal rape in "relationships", and asked about that on a medical board and got the same kind of response, as in, "Where is this happening?".

I'm pretty sure I even started a few threads here asking if this was really true, and was asked, "What kind of weirdo is your pastor, anyway?" However, if the teenagers and young adults he works with are willing to share details like that with him, like he claims they are? I'm sure glad I'm not a young woman now.

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People complain about this happening on every single site on the Internet that allows uploads. The outcome depends on the process, the number of humans the site has investigating these claims, and the possible uproar elsewhere on the net. It depends. There is no one possible answer.

IOW, the answer to this question is exactly like the answer to your original OP.
Which seems to be a vague patchwork of partial answers. This question is part of my OP question, not separate from. And I am genuinely interested and curious as to the answers, in no way am I "complaining" about anything. But it seems the answer is simply "it varies".
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Those sites are policed by the users fairly well from what I can tell. The vast majority of porn consumers don't want to look at child porn or genuine non-consensual porn (as opposed to consensual non-consent). So I'm assuming those videos get reported and taken down pretty rapidly.
Again, to be clear, I'm not talking about genuine 'child porn'. I think those that are serious about providing it and those seeking it arent going to Pornhub. They know where to be and they know where to look.

I'm talking more about the physically matured but underage therefore illegal porn. Which, I would have to argue at this point, most hetero-male oriented porn-consumers do ostensibly want to look at.

Oh, as long as there exists a gossamer whisper of plausible deniability. I read the comment sections on some of these videos. That's where the true nature of these dudes shines brightest lol. Yuck. The number of suspicious teen videos Ive come across far outnumber any rape/forced sex videos, of any flavor.
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Which seems to be a vague patchwork of partial answers. This question is part of my OP question, not separate from. And I am genuinely interested and curious as to the answers, in no way am I "complaining" about anything. But it seems the answer is simply "it varies".
I didn't say you were complaining. I explicitly said that people who have legitimate uploads taken down complain.

My complaint is that reading comprehension is not America's fastest growing sport.
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I've noticed that, at any web site selling products that are age sensitive, you simply have to check a box that states you are at least X-amount of years old, and that is supposedly "proof" enough.
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Also, if a video featuring an underage girl freaking admitting to her age on camera somehow manages to slip thru the cracks for well over a year (it was listed as being posted in early 2017), I can't help but to question the overall effectiveness of the user report-based system.
One famous porn producer/actor had girls "confess" to being various ages, as young as 12, when they were actually 18+. They did arrest him for one, but they dismissed the charges.


So, just because they say they are 17, doesnt mean they are.
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I didn't say you were complaining. I explicitly said that people who have legitimate uploads taken down complain.

My complaint is that reading comprehension is not America's fastest growing sport.
Mea culpa. I did read your post too quickly. Snark deserved.
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As others said - the customers probably police the site fairly well. Nobody wants to be found with multiple illegal videos on their browser cache or history.

Assuming we're talking about apparently questionable age - I guess the real question is "why?"
If it's commercial, then they have to provide a link to their own website and the video for sale - I hope nobody in the business is that stupid, but you never know...
If the girl is lying about her age - then the guy doing the upload is simply about to get in a LOT of trouble, like Traci Lords' associates.
If it's amateur, then what -exhibitionist/boasting? Revenge? Trying to show how smart they are by covering their internet tracks? Presumably the site(s) keep logs of which IP sourced the videos, plus other details. There has to be a certain level of crazy reckless involved. I have to imagine anyone seriously posting this sort of material is actually doing it to somehow make money.

I gather there are some girls who look much younger; IIRC this was a plot point in a Law&Order SVU episode. However some discussion I saw once said the laws also cover "apparently under 18" and also prohibits even falsely claiming participants are under 18... which makes me wonder how a movie like "Blue is the Warmest Color" gets away with explicit sex scenes followed by a scene of the girl celebrating her 18th birthday. I assume the detail is whether the situation is obvious fiction or whether the purveyors apparently claim the participant is actually under 18.

Also, I recall there is a recent case about revenge porn, where the owners of the site were trying to charge a "fee" to have the material removed. Apparently that earned them an extortion or blackmail charge or something.
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One famous porn producer/actor had girls "confess" to being various ages, as young as 12, when they were actually 18+. They did arrest him for one, but they dismissed the charges.


So, just because they say they are 17, doesnt mean they are.
There are some movies that feature like mother/daughter or whatever and sometimes the video starts with the introductions (like they forgot to remove it or something). During these introductions the performers are holding up their driver's licenses and making explicit statements that they are not, in fact, mother in daughter.

Uh...a friend told me.
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One famous porn producer/actor had girls "confess" to being various ages, as young as 12, when they were actually 18+. They did arrest him for one, but they dismissed the charges.
Cite, please.

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Mea culpa. I did read your post too quickly. Snark deserved.
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Cite, please.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Hardcore
Based on Max Extreme 4, the city of Los Angeles in 1998 charged him with child pornography and distribution of obscenity. The fact that the actress was over the age of 18 was not disputed; they brought charges based solely on the fact that the actress was portraying a character who was underage. Just before the case was brought to trial in 2002, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled (in Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition) that the statute prohibiting adults from portraying children in films and books was unconstitutional. Based on this ruling, the child pornography charges against Little were dismissed.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Hardcore
Based on Max Extreme 4, the city of Los Angeles in 1998 charged him with child pornography and distribution of obscenity. The fact that the actress was over the age of 18 was not disputed; they brought charges based solely on the fact that the actress was portraying a character who was underage. Just before the case was brought to trial in 2002, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled (in Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition) that the statute prohibiting adults from portraying children in films and books was unconstitutional. Based on this ruling, the child pornography charges against Little were dismissed.
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They aren't usually copyright violations.
Mostly they are snippets posted by the actual copyright owner, as 'previews' to attract paid customers. That's why they often end with an advertisement 'click this link to see the full video'. Just like 'free samples' given out in grocery stores or perfume counters, an attempt to attract new customers.
Sure, there are such previews as you speak. But those are usually really obvious, with them actually saying "See More at ______" at various intervals, and obvious cutting. They'll end as you describe, and the username will be somewhat related to the company. They're also usually quite short, to make sure you can't use the preview for the purposes of the full video.

The ones I'm seeing give you generic porn site names just scrolling along the top cheaply by someone who can't edit (despite clear editting competence in the video and intro itself), and some even mention "If you find this anywhere else..." language. There's often not enough info. And you definitely get a long enough video that shows everything important. If they're ads, they're really bad ones.

Still, those aren't the only copyvios. There are the ones not obviously from DVD or VHS transfers, or copied from websites I myself know of--some of the nonnudes even will be people I knew from YouTube, who I know did not approve. The transfers will even often include the copying warning. And I can't tell you how many cut off the audio entirely since they were obviously captured by screen recording software. They'll even sometimes mention the particular software.

And, again, there's no real way to report any of it, as far as I can tell. Not unless you go to the feedback button for the entire site and give them a link and reason. Nothing like what you'd expect if they depended on self-policing to filter out stuff.

In fact, I'm wondering how Ambivalid reported anything. Did you contact them by some .other means? I mean, it's possible my adblocker blocks the report button or something.
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Sure, there are such previews as you speak...
the thing is, those would be copied from material where the copyright could be enforced, meaning the copyright holders (hesitate to call them "artists") are reasonably sure their material is legal; which thus implies the people gratuitously sharing are also reasonably sure the material is legal. they just want to share the same stuff that gets them excited, I presume...

So to get back to the PO - illegal material may be copyright, but who's going to try to enforce their claim? Also, I doubt anyone is foolish enough to copy someone else's material and post it on a much more public site than no doubt they found it, when the only benefit is to draw legal attention to themselves. But, I think it was PT Barnum who said, "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." ...nor their intelligence.
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In fact, I'm wondering how Ambivalid reported anything. Did you contact them by some .other means? I mean, it's possible my adblocker blocks the report button or something.
If you click on a video and go down right below the username of the person who posted the video, you'll see a little "v"-like arrow that is a drop down button. Click on that and you'll find a Flag icon. That's what you push to report a video. It gives you the option of simply reporting or reporting along with an explanation of why you are reporting.
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