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Old 10-13-2018, 10:08 AM
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When did oral sex become a common part of sex?

Let me begin by acknowledging that my premise may be off, but itís my understanding that:
1) it is typical during modern heterosexual sex for oral sex to be used as a part of foreplay, and that fellatio/cunnilingus are occasionally used as a complete sexual encounter.
2) this wasnít always the case.

If Iím correct, when and why did this change?

My understanding of history, for example, was that prostitution was far more common (and tolerated) in the 19th century, and part of the appeal was that a prostitue might offer a blowjob, which no married man was likely to get at home. And, since people didnít groom their public hair until quite recently, cunnilingus was similarly rare.

Iíd love to be wrong on this. Did Martha slob on Georgeís nob, if only on their wedding night? Whatís the straight dope?
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I think your #2 premise is false. I would guess oral has been around since the dawn of time.
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I would guess oral has been around since the dawn of time.
I agree. However, I think OP may be right that the rules of engagement have probably changed substantially. Modern standards of bodily hygiene are very different.
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I have a 1910 era "Marriage Manual" that makes no mention of the practice, or even the possibility. I think this was the one my parents and my uncle learned from.

Another, similar book ca. 1949 says,
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OTOH, it advises the man to apply such to the woman, or she will "not orgasm and become frustrated."

And even a 1940's book, this copy published in 1965, doesn't use the term "oral sex," but "genital kisses."
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We should be careful not to conflate medieval-to-20th century Europe with human history. The ancient Greek and Romans used oral sex plenty although they tended to perceive it in terms of slave-like domination. Indians don't seem to have had much issue with oral sex.

Puritanism/obscurantism, sex-is-only-for-procreation values and lax hygiene were likely factors in making oral sex rare in N. America and Europe in the past 2 millennia. I'm pretty sure greater access & use of bathing and women not being seen as baby factories correlate strongly with the popularity of oral sex.
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I think the only thing that changes are the taboos.
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Bonobos, gorillas, and other primates engage in oral sex. Based on that, I think it's a safe bet that the earliest homo sapiens did the same.
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I think that the idea of oral sex was just better hidden during the puritanical Victorian era. A quick google shows me that there were depictions of oral sex in Pompeii's baths, and illustrations in the kamasutra.

Not going to link to them because the two click rule is a bit of a pain, but they're easy to find.
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From graffiti in Pompeii: Theophilus, don’t perform oral sex on girls against the city wall like a dog.
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Bonobos, gorillas, and other primates engage in oral sex. Based on that, I think it's a safe bet that the earliest homo sapiens did the same.
If people figured out that oysters are a thing you can eat, you wouldn't bet against someone trying oral sex at some point in the last 5 million years and discovering that it's fun.
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And, since people didnít groom their public hair until quite recently, cunnilingus was similarly rare.
I don't think this is a factor at all. Nice soft hair cushioning the cheeks is a great part of cunny.

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And, since people didnít groom their public hair until quite recently, cunnilingus was similarly rare.
Having come of age in the late 1960s, I can assure you that the acceptability of cunnilingus predated the current popularity of trimming/shaving pubic hair by several decades.

I can't say how common it was earlier in practice, but in the 60s/70s, like all kinds of sexual behavior, it became more openly discussed. While certainly not rare, my impression is in the 70s it wasn't regarded as such a "standard" part of a sexual encounter as it is now. It might not be something you engaged in the first time you went to bed with someone, but only after a few times.
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Read Victorian porn sometime. It's been around since the dawn of time, just by different names.
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Having come of age in the late 1960s, I can assure you that the acceptability of cunnilingus predated the current popularity of trimming/shaving pubic hair by several decades.

I can't say how common it was earlier in practice, but in the 60s/70s, like all kinds of sexual behavior, it became more openly discussed. While certainly not rare, my impression is in the 70s it wasn't regarded as such a "standard" part of a sexual encounter as it is now. It might not be something you engaged in the first time you went to bed with someone, but only after a few times.
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Growing up in the 60's and early 70's, it seems to not so much that it was "not common" as "not commonly talked about". Partly in those good old days, some men were not really into foreplay as much as wham-bam-thank-you-ma'm. But oral sex by women on men certainly was a thing. I think a few things brought it into the "mainstream" so to speak.

The movie Deep Throat was about oral sex. A few years later, I remember an issue of Penthouse was seized at the Canadian border because it depicted a man, apparently by his head position, appearing to perform oral sex on a woman. The AIDS epidemic made the sexually active population more aware of the risks of intercourse (although, oral sex does not really qualify as a safe activity). And the icing on the cake and cherry on top, so to speak, was Bill Clinton's escapades with Monica. Women saw it as a acceptable way to avoid having actual intercourse.

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I'm reading a 1970 novel by Irving Wallace, in which oral sex is quite risque and described as "not straight" (i.e., not normative).
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Well, fellatio was associated too with homosexual activity, and so "cocksucker" as a crude insult to a man was common well before the 60's. It's not like the less prudish had no idea what sorts of things were possible.
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Indians don't seem to have had much issue with oral sex.
Dear Sir - that is trivializing to a point, it feels offensive.

Here from Vatsayana, 2 nd century are steps 1 for Female to male and male to female, respectively :

1. "When your lover catches your lingam in her hand and, shaping her lips to an 'O', lays them lightly to its tip, moving her head in tiny circles, this first step is called Nimitta." Nimitta is translated as Touching.

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1. "With delicate fingertips, pinch the arched lips of her house of love very very slowly together, and kiss them as though you kissed her lower lip; this is Adhara-sphuritam." This is rendered the Quivering Kiss.

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I'm reading a 1970 novel by Irving Wallace, in which oral sex is quite risque and described as "not straight" (i.e., not normative).
Yes, sorta, kinda. It wasn't consider the 'right" way to finish, but it was normal are part of foreplay.
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The movie Deep Throat was about oral sex.
Tru dat. But it was released in 1972, by which point the so-called Sexual Revolution had been going on for several years. What was popular awareness of and participation in oral sex like in 1962?

ETA: That's only partly a rhetorical question. The answer to the rhetorical part is, of course, "a hell of a lot less." But how much less? I was eight years old in 1962 and didn't even know about genital sex at that point, let alone the alternatives, so I don't have a good fix on the answer.

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Conclusion: cunnilingus was common enough in the Elizabethan era for people to get the joke.
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And, since people didnít groom their public hair until quite recently, cunnilingus was similarly rare.
Why would that matter? Labia aren't hairy.

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Dear Sir - that is trivializing to a point, it feels offensive.

Here from Vatsayana, 2 nd century are steps 1 for Female to male and male to female, respectively :
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The Kama Sutra is somewhat contradictory, but seems to frown on oral sex. It says:
1) A man shouldn't get bj's from his wife, but only from loose women, like prostitutes and hairdressers.
2) Do whatever you want, and follow the customs of your country.
3) Men of quality shouldn't do it. It's not exactly wrong, but then, doctors say eating dog meat isn't dangerous to your health; that doesn't mean I'm going to go out and get me some.

If only the OP had posted this sooner. I'd ask Mom and Grammy if they gave head, but, unfortunately, they've passed away.
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Dear Sir - that is trivializing to a point, it feels offensive.

Here from Vatsayana, 2 nd century are steps 1 for Female to male and male to female, respectively :

1. "When your lover catches your lingam in her hand and, shaping her lips to an 'O', lays them lightly to its tip, moving her head in tiny circles, this first step is called Nimitta." Nimitta is translated as Touching.

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1. "With delicate fingertips, pinch the arched lips of her house of love very very slowly together, and kiss them as though you kissed her lower lip; this is Adhara-sphuritam." This is rendered the Quivering Kiss.

Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/821181
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What was popular awareness of and participation in oral sex like in 1962?
Perhaps some of us here today owe our existence to our parents' ignorance of alternative routes to pleasure in the 1960s. Should we reconsider the board's manifesto? Thank god the fighting of ignorance only started in 1973.

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1. "When your lover catches your lingam in her hand and, shaping her lips to an 'O', lays them lightly to its tip, moving her head in tiny circles, this first step is called Nimitta." Nimitta is translated as Touching.

Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/821181

1. "With delicate fingertips, pinch the arched lips of her house of love very very slowly together, and kiss them as though you kissed her lower lip; this is Adhara-sphuritam." This is rendered the Quivering Kiss.

Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/821181

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Oral sex is attested in ancient Egypt.

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Oral sex was practiced in most ancient societies, because duh, oral sex is fun. But ancient Egyptians are often noted as particularly enamored of going down — so much so that one of their most important myths centers around a blowjob given to a clay penis, which brings the god Osiris back to life.
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My understanding of history, for example, was that prostitution was far more common (and tolerated) in the 19th century, and part of the appeal was that a prostitue might offer a blowjob, which no married man was likely to get at home. And, since people didnít groom their public hair until quite recently, cunnilingus was similarly rare.
Unless you're using geological time, this is absurdly false. Pubic hair grooming goes back at least 5000 years, and may go back as much as 50,000 to when the first flint razors were discovered. Egyptians considered pubic hair dirty and shaved it, Romans considered it beastly and plucked it, Muslims considered it unclean and recommended shaving at least once per month. http://nomorebodyhair.com/detailed-h...-hair-removal/

And the idea that grooming pubic hair is required for cunnilingus can be easily disproved by viewing 70s and 80s porn, where it was commonly shown despite a lack of razor usage. The view that oral sex is some recent thing when jokes about oral sex can be found in the oldest preserved graffiti we have is just silly.
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I have a 1910 era "Marriage Manual" that makes no mention of the practice, or even the possibility. I think this was the one my parents and my uncle learned from.

Another, similar book ca. 1949 says, OTOH, it advises the man to apply such to the woman, or she will "not orgasm and become frustrated."

And even a 1940's book, this copy published in 1965, doesn't use the term "oral sex," but "genital kisses."
Regarding recent changes in attitude, here's a further cite. In 1953, Kinsey et al. found that only one half of married women had experienced oral sex. By the 1970s, research indicated that 90% of wives had experienced oral sex (it doesn't specify which way). So it wasn't just that people didn't talk about it, they didn't engage in as much either (although plenty did still do it).

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In '69.

In any case, in high school it was considered a pretty kinky practice. "Nice girls" didn't do it, though some were willing as a way to avoid pregnancy (it was difficult to get birth control in the 60s -- many doctors wouldn't prescribe the pill for teens, and condoms were kept behind the drugstore counter, requiring a bit of courage to get).

I remember some article on prostitutes in the early 70s where they'd joke that they'd be out of business is wives did it to their husbands.

Slate had an article from 2008 discussing this issue. Studies are cited:

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Historically, fellatio or cunnilingus, hereto referred to as oral sex, were perceived among heterosexual couples as not only more intimate than intercourse but also to be reserved for those who were married (Michael, Gagnon, Laumann, & Kolata, 1994). It took Kinsey’s studies to reveal the greater prevalence of oral sex; though it was not until the 1970s that societal attitudes began to perceive it as acceptable for unmarried couples as well (Michael et al., 1994). Thus it is a historical reversal that oral sex has become more common than intercourse among heterosexual, White, and better educated samples as well as a precursor to intercourse (Billy & Tanfer, 1993; Michael et al., 1994; Prinstein, Meade, & Cohen, 2003; Schwartz, 1999). … [S]tudies indicated a rise in oral sex among adolescents (Newcomer & Udry, 1985), university students (Woody et al., 2000; Grunseit, Richters, Crawford, Song, & Kippax, 2005), and adults in general (Laumann, Gagnon, Michael, & Michaels, 1994).
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Johns Hopkins University Professor Jonathan Zenilman, an expert in sexually transmitted infections … reports that both the adults and the teenagers who come to his clinic are engaging in much more oral sex than in 1990. For men and boys as recipients it’s up from about half to 75 to 80 percent; for women and girls, it’s risen from about 25 percent to 75 to 80 percent.
So it seems the numbers indicate that there has indeed been rising since 1990.
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The US rise in popularity seems to be related to the sexual revolution and the rise of agency of women in the process. The rise of the VHS and Internet and access to pornography have changed behavior too.

It is important to point out that marriage for love being the norm is a recent development in America's short past. For most of it people married out of prudence, not love, and that was hoped to develop later. It was actually considered to be a moral failing to have too much affection for your wife around the time of the revolution.

That said, as someone who fixed home computers during the 1990's, which unfortunately exposed peoples private lives in a very honest way, public behavior rarely matched with private behavior so data may be hard to find.

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I think that Jimmy Carter was once asked if they had oral sex in Plains, Georgia. He responded: "Yes, but we don't call it that."
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I think that Jimmy Carter was once asked if they had oral sex in Plains, Georgia. He responded: "Yes, but we don't call it that."
Presumably they didn't call it that in Oklahoma either, or Mr & Mrs Roberts would have called their son Aural to save him embarrassment.
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Auparishtaka in the Kama Sutra and Egyptian myth of Osiris who is brought back to life through oral sex by his sister show that it was present in the ancient world.

I would assume that the Abrahamic religion's prohibitions and the Roman Catholic church's belief that procreation was the only acceptable form of sex was largely responsible for the rarity when combined with tradition, non-love based marriages.

I do wonder if anything is documented during the "Courtly love" period, but until love as being a primary reason for marriage started to gain popularity in late 18th century I doubt that there was much public information on oral sex practices in an affectionate way like in Kama Sutra.

Here is a paper that will explain how sexual behavior was restricted by the church in the middle ages.

http://www.amandahopkins.co.uk/downl...&%20Church.pdf

Note the penances.

For men "oral intercourse" was 3 years and for women "consumption of husband’s semen to inflame his lust" was 7 years.

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OP here. I didnít mean to imply that I thought oral sex was a recent innovation. Rather, I was under the impression that a 19th century man, for example, was going to need to go to a brothel if he wanted one, because the nice girl he courted by sitting in her parlour wasnít into to that sort of thing. Whereas, now, itís pretty common to be a part of a coupleís repertoire.

And I should say that I was thinking of western/American culture.

My guess was something along the lines of men coming back from Europe after one of the world wars also brought back new mores, or it was a part of the 60ís sexual revolution, or that the proliferation of VCRs increased the spread of pornography amongst the middle class, thereby exposing more people to the practice.

But I did acknowledge that my premise may be wrong. Is there a consensus here? Was oral sex a usual thing before, say, the world wars?
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Conclusion: cunnilingus was common enough in the Elizabethan era for people to get the joke.
And a reference to fellatio somewhat earlier:

In Francois Rabelais' Gargantua and Pantagruel (1530s), referring to wine, he says:

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Has oral sex by men on women actually decreased in the past few years as a result of the discovery of HPV and the HPV vaccine not being given to boys (at least in the UK)?
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But I did acknowledge that my premise may be wrong. Is there a consensus here? Was oral sex a usual thing before, say, the world wars?
The cite I gave above implies there was a big shift in the 1960s, since the percentage of married women who experienced it went from 50% in the 1950s to 90% by the 1970s. (Still, 50% is pretty high; it was common enough but not universal.) But there may well have been an earlier rise in the 1920s linked to soldiers coming back from Europe who had experienced exotic French customs and the increasing independence of women.

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An oral history [yes, pun noted, now lets move on) of women engaged in prostitution in Sydney during World War 2 noted that oral sex was a novelty that came in with visiting American troops.

It still leaves open whether that was something that John Q Citizen did at home in Wisconsin or it was some sort of boys-away-at-play phenomenon, or even whether the women involved, who would have to have been quite young themselves to be recorded in the 1980s, were sexually experienced before becoming caught up in prostitution.
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Has oral sex by men on women actually decreased in the past few years as a result of the discovery of HPV and the HPV vaccine not being given to boys (at least in the UK)?
High-risk sexual behaviors are common and as HPV doesn't have the cervical cancer risk for males it probably plays no factor.

In general funding for STD's is uncommon because it is generally considered the result of moral failings and as your cite mentioned it is only offered to women because of the cervical cancer risk, and thus offered to those who are actually at risk of the cancer.

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Bonobos, gorillas, and other primates engage in oral sex. Based on that, I think it's a safe bet that the earliest homo sapiens did the same.
True.

Also, I believe there are prehistoric cave paintings showing apparent oral sex, so it is documented at least 30,000 years ago or so in homo ... somespecies.
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High-risk sexual behaviors are common and as HPV doesn't have the cervical cancer risk for males it probably plays no factor.

In general funding for STD's is uncommon because it is generally considered the result of moral failings and as your cite mentioned it is only offered to women because of the cervical cancer risk, and thus offered to those who are actually at risk of the cancer.
Actually, the article says:

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Offering boys the HPV vaccine would:

help protect them against high-risk HPV types 16 and 18 that are linked to:
9 in 10 (90%) cases of anal cancer
4 in 10 (40%) cases of penile cancer
some head and neck cancers
help protect them against HPV types 6 and 11, that cause around 9 in 10 (90%) cases of genital warts
strengthen the herd immunity already provided by vaccinated girls, helping to protect anyone (male or female) who is not vaccinated or under-vaccinated (has not had the required doses).
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Actually, the article says:
That is the 9-valent human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine, which was only approved by the FDA in 2014.

Policy changes take years, and it is being considered.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK470473/

But it still wouldn't have much impact on the actual practices.
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I saw a bumper sticker that claimed Real Men don't do it.
And Real Men are sleeping alone.
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OP here. I didnít mean to imply that I thought oral sex was a recent innovation. Rather, I was under the impression that a 19th century man, for example, was going to need to go to a brothel if he wanted one, because the nice girl he courted by sitting in her parlour wasnít into to that sort of thing. Whereas, now, itís pretty common to be a part of a coupleís repertoire.

And I should say that I was thinking of western/American culture.

My guess was something along the lines of men coming back from Europe after one of the world wars also brought back new mores, or it was a part of the 60ís sexual revolution, or that the proliferation of VCRs increased the spread of pornography amongst the middle class, thereby exposing more people to the practice.

But I did acknowledge that my premise may be wrong. Is there a consensus here? Was oral sex a usual thing before, say, the world wars?
As I was trying to get my comments about the history of sex into some coherent paragraphs I finally realized that you're making an unstated assumption.

I think that everybody agrees that the last few decades have widened what "good girls do" to include stuff they weren't doing earlier in the 20th century. Oral is one. Anal is another. Even threeways and lesbianism were once considered too weird and/or evil to be salacious.

So the unspoken assumption is that history describes a simple arc of more openness from less openness.

History is way more complicated than that. There were times and places and classes and religions where openness was present. The 18th century was generally more ribald than the 19th in America because America got a whole lot more religious in the 1800s and because a middle class appeared that considered the habits of the lower classes to be vulgar. History books tend to be written from a middle class viewpoint and that predisposes us to think that middle class norms (when the middle class was a tiny slice of the population) were indeed the norm. Yeah, but.

Victorian pornography is full of oral sex and anal sex and threeways and lesbianism. (And the British Victorians put whipping into almost every book.) Slightly later the Tijuana Bibles would do the same. Most underground pornography everywhere, both print and film, included every possible sex act. It's really hard to tell whether these represented pure fantasy about what wouldn't be done except by the most depraved prostitutes or exaggerated descriptions of what everybody knew really happened.

There does seem to have been a widening of what was acceptable in the Roaring 20s that got repressed for a variety of reasons in the 30s. The "smut" books of the 50s and 60s seldom mention lesbianism or even have men disapproving of any woman/woman contact. That reversed when hard-core porn boomed in the 70s, and I've never come across any explanation of why. The attitude today that men stereotypically think all women are bi and are desperate to see two girls making out would have been thought weird by mainstream America and sex writers 50 years ago.

But by everybody every time in the past? Maybe not. History isn't neat like that.
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Neither anal cancer nor penile cancer are very common, so 40% of one and 90% of the other doesn't add up to nearly as much as cervical cancer does.
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. . . And, since people didnít groom their public hair until quite recently, cunnilingus was similarly rare. . . .
I don't think I've ever before read more misinformation in one small sentence, not to mention the typo.
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I don't think I've ever before read more misinformation in one small sentence, not to mention the typo.
You're saying he is not a cunning linguist?
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