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Are the following facts both true [Holocaust denial and WTC denial]

1. Wtc was 1000 Celsius
2. Holocaust ovens were more
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The World Trade Center on 9/11? I don't believe 1000deg Celsius is supported by the modeling. Wouldn't be shocking if some small point got that high but the fire is not believed to have consistently gotten that hot. Above 700 deg for sure though.

The Holocaust? Probably not much above 1000 deg, if even that much. Too much heat would damage the equipment.
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a) yes, give or take, in places according to NIST
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In no instance did NIST report that steel in the WTC towers melted due to the fires. The melting point of steel is about 1,500 degrees Celsius (2,800 degrees Fahrenheit). Normal building fires and hydrocarbon (e.g., jet fuel) fires generate temperatures up to about 1,100 degrees Celsius (2,000 degrees Fahrenheit). NIST reported maximum upper layer air temperatures of about 1,000 degrees Celsius (1,800 degrees Fahrenheit) in the WTC towers (for example, see NCSTAR 1, Figure 6-36).
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A cremator is an industrial furnace that is able to generate temperatures of 870–980 C (1,600–1,800 F) to ensure disintegration of the corpse.
it is unlikely that the Nazi's who would have had less modern equipment and less interest in achieving complete cremation would have used hotter temperatures.

So since this thread was started in GD rather than GQ, one wonders whether the OP is branching out from Federal reserve conspiracy into WTC conspiracy or into Holocaust denial or, Og forbid, going for the trifecta.

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1. Wtc was 1000 Celsius
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What is the connection between these two statements if they happen to be true? What are you trying to debate here?
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Nazi ovens brought down the WTC, I knew it!
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https://books.google.com/books?id=ndNdZuOH4YMC&pg=PA273&lpg=PA273&dq="brought+the+fire+in+the+ovens+up+to+1800"&source=bl&ots =QT0tZH5M1y&sig=5GtCUoPL53bXTADmnGSEfaNqf-I&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiB6PPhqZHeAhUT_1QKHf-rAGcQ6AEwAHoECAAQAQ#v=onepage&q="brought%20the%20fire%20in%20the%20ovens%20up%20to%201800"&f=false

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If you disagree youre a holocaust denier

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If you disagree youre a holocaust denier
You can't be serious with this.

Disagreeing with the temperature estimates of a single person means you are a Holocaust denier?

Come on, man.
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Disagreeing with the temperature estimates of a single person means you are a Holocaust denier?

Come on, man.
Yes it does. All temperature estimates are over 1000c

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Yes it does. All temperature estimates are over 1000c
Ok. Sure, yep! Ovens were over 1000 Celsius.
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Yes it does. All temperature estimates are over 1000c
Based on what? And how does that make someone a holocaust denier? And what does that have to do with 9/11?

You opened this in Great Debates. If you're going to do that, you have to provide the basis for debate. So far, you haven't done so.
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What has this to do with the World Trade Center?
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If you disagree youre a holocaust denier
This links to pages from a novel.
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Based on what? And how does that make someone a holocaust denier? And what does that have to do with 9/11?

You opened this in Great Debates. If you're going to do that, you have to provide the basis for debate. So far, you haven't done so.

You're doubting holocaust testimony
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https://www.npr.org/2011/05/12/13625...t-of-auschwitz

It's not a fiction story

Schlesak employs interviews with concentration camp survivors, letters and camp records, and statements from witnesses both for the defense and the prosecution. As his main narrator he uses the testimony of an actual survivor named Adam, one of the Jewish prisoners, who recounts with mounting horror stories about the victims whose murders he witnessed.
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You're doubting holocaust testimony
I'm just doubting you have made a case for...whatever it is you are trying to make a case for. What do the two claims in your OP have to do with each other?
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I'm just doubting you have made a case for...whatever it is you are trying to make a case for. What do the two claims in your OP have to do with each other?
If you accept or reject both claims youre a holocaust denier
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Schlesak employs interviews with concentration camp survivors, letters and camp records, and statements from witnesses both for the defense and the prosecution. As his main narrator he uses the testimony of an actual survivor named Adam, one of the Jewish prisoners, who recounts with mounting horror stories about the victims whose murders he witnessed.
Again, what does this have to do with the WTC disaster?
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Again, what does this have to do with the WTC disaster?

It would mean wtc refutes holocaust?
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If you accept or reject both claims youre a holocaust denier
Nazi if you do, and Nazi if you don't?
Pray tell, what response means you aren't a holocaust denier?
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Pray tell, what response means you aren't a holocaust denier?

Anyone who believes wtc is a holocaust denier
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It would mean wtc refutes holocaust?
Or maybe the other way around!!
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You have not explained why. All you have posted so far is a bunch of non sequiturs. You need to start explaining what you are claiming, and how that makes your case.
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Can you explain how the temperature inside the buildings during the 9/11 attacks refutes the Holocaust?
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Can you explain how the temperature inside the buildings during the 9/11 attacks refutes the Holocaust?
Idk. Is that really your objection?
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If you disagree youre a holocaust denier
For what it's worth, The Druggist of Auschwitz is a historical fiction novel, not a scientific treatise. It is not a definitive source of anything that happened in the concentration camps. The author was eleven years old at the end of the war.
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Idk. Is that really your objection?
The objection is that you are not making any sense at all.
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Idk. Is that really your objection?
You said:

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I'm trying to follow your logic.

Which fact about wtc do I need to believe in order to be a Holocaust denier?
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Idk. Is that really your objection?
Okay, I'll bite.

Do you accept that the WTC was brought down by hijacked jets in a terrorist attack?

Do you believe that Hitler and the Nazis planned and executed the mass murder of Jews in Europe, resulting in several million murdered Jews?
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Okay, I'll bite.

Do you accept that the WTC was brought down by hijacked jets in a terrorist attack?

Do you believe that Hitler and the Nazis planned and executed the mass murder of Jews in Europe, resulting in several million murdered Jews?
You are making it too complicated. You are never going to get answers to those questions, you know that.
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Fire is hot.

Another fire is hotter.

Therefore, six million jews never died.



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I have to give mustang19 credit where credit is due. He may be a loon, but he's an original loon. Usually WTC deniers are also Holocaust deniers. He's the first I've seen do this kind of switcheroo. Of course, it will take him some time to reveal what the connection is (if he ever does). Add in his bizarre financial theories and he's definitely sui generis. Do you think maybe he has some ideas about pyramids or aliens too?

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I have to give mustang19 credit where credit is due. He may be a loon, but he's an original loon. Usually WTC deniers are also Holocaust deniers. He's the first I've seen do this kind of switcheroo. Of course, it will take him some time to reveal what the connection is (if he ever does). Add in his bizarre financial theories and he's definitely sui generis. Do you think maybe he has some ideas about pyramids or aliens too?
I suspect he's a 9/11 "truther", and trying to use the (justified) widespread revulsion for Holocaust denial to somehow benefit his cause of revealing the "truth" of 9/11.
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I have to give mustang19 credit where credit is due. He may be a loon, but he's an original loon. Usually WTC deniers are also Holocaust deniers. He's the first I've seen do this kind of switcheroo. Of course, it will take him some time to reveal what the connection is (if he ever does). Add in his bizarre financial theories and he's definitely sui generis. Do you think maybe he has some ideas about pyramids or aliens too?
You're forgetting the infinite money involved.

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I suspect he's a 9/11 "truther", and trying to use the (justified) widespread revulsion for Holocaust denial to somehow benefit his cause of revealing the "truth" of 9/11.
Yeah, that's what I figure too. But like I said all kinds of denialism seem to go together. If you're a truther or birther you're apt to be Holocaust denier too. That's what makes him so strange. (He also says he thinks Sovereign Citizens are Fascists, even though he seems to share some of their magical thinking.)

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I'm more wondering what made him make his very first post ever today after being a member here for over 6 years!
There's been a few of 'em, especially over recent months. I would expect the norm would be, join up, ask all sorts of questions, then either hang around forever (mea culpa) or just drift away. Not: Join, say nothing for years, then out of the blue jump on again in a flurry of activity.

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Nazi if you do, and Nazi if you don't?
Pray tell, what response means you aren't a holocaust denier?
Just like Donald Trump has a feel for science because his uncle was a professor, I have a feel for logic because Spock was my favorite character on Star Trek.

What you have to do is accept one claim as true and reject the other claim.

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One of the infinite number of typewriters broke, so they sent it out for repairs and gave him the day off.
How do you have infinite typewriters, and not have a spare?

This thread makes less and less sense with every post!
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This thread makes less and less sense with every post!
It's simple. If you have infinite typewriters and ONE goes out for repairs, you don't have infinite typewriters anymore.
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Well, there are infinity "operators" each assigned to one of the infinity typewriters.

But I suppose if typewriter #N breaks you could give typewriter #(x+1) to operator #x for all x>=N, then every operator still has a typewriter.

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What the everloving fuck is this thread about?
Wild guess: somebody got called a Holocaust Denier somewhere, got a twist in his knickers, and is trying to pretend that disagreeing with any detail of any account of the Holocaust is the same as being a full-on Denialist. Then he tries to get the Evil Rational People to disagree with some technical detail of an account in order to play gotcha, thinking that it somehow conceals or mitigates his behavior.

Where the World Trade Center fits into this, I'm still not sure. That connection seems to be completely swamped in the blithering incoherence.
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