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Attorney General Jeff Sessions is out as the top official at the Justice Department, a development that is likely to spark a firestorm of criticism following the midterm elections.
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Immediately after a Democratic House promises investigations.
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Who is stupid enough to take his place?
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Who is stupid enough to take his place?
Someone willing to fire Rosenstein and Mueller.
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Who is stupid enough to take his place?
Matt Whitaker. Sessions' Chief of Staff. That's who.
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Who is stupid enough to take his place?
Michael Cohen.
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Lindsey Graham since SC is a safe seat for the GOP and Trump probably told Nikki Haley the seat is hers if she wants it

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I've said it before and I'll say it again, Trump's administration is like a clown car with a revolving door on it.
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Looks to me like Trump wrote the resignation letter.
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Sessions's interim replacement, Matthew Whitaker, wrote in 2017 that Mueller's investigation was going too far.

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Michael Cohen.
Nooo, not after Cohen claimed Trump was making racist comments

It's gonna be Lindsay Graham, mark my words.
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There is *always* someone waiting in the wings willing to do the dirty work.
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Lindsey Graham since SC is a safe seat for the GOP and Trump probably told Nikki Haley the seat is hers if she wants it
I'm reasonably certain Nikki Haley knows that Trump doesn't get to select replacement Senators. And Graham doesn't strike me as someone who would give up his nice little Senate gig.
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trivia : Whitaker played TE for Iowa in the 1991 Rose bowl. Iowa lost 46-34 to Washington.

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If Mueller is removed, Democrats in the House will definitely subpoena him and all his records publicly. Thank fuck they won the House.
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I'm reasonably certain Nikki Haley knows that Trump doesn't get to select replacement Senators. And Graham doesn't strike me as someone who would give up his nice little Senate gig.
Pshaw. He's been campaigning for the job.
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Totally what an innocent man does. Totally.
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I'm reasonably certain Nikki Haley knows that Trump doesn't get to select replacement Senators. And Graham doesn't strike me as someone who would give up his nice little Senate gig.
Trump could strongly suggest to the governor of SC that he pick Haley and if he does give him a few favors .
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Classic Trump misdirection. Everyone's talking about how he lost the house and his guy in Montana lost? Give 'em some other bulllshit to reset the news cycle!
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Pshaw. He's been campaigning for the job.
I am assuming you think going full partisan bulldog regarding Kavanaugh is campaigning for the job? I don't think so.
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Lindsey Graham since SC is a safe seat for the GOP and Trump probably told Nikki Haley the seat is hers if she wants it


Graham previously said that firing Sessions would be “the beginning of the end of his presidency”.
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Graham would not be the first senator to give up a safe seat for a cabinet job.
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Graham would not be the first senator to give up a safe seat for a cabinet job.
Yes, but we'd have to look way way back in history. Like when Sessions took the job last year. I am saying Graham doesn't strike me as the type.
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Hillary quit as senator to be SOS for Obama. And Kerry followed her and also quit the senate.
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I am assuming you think going full partisan bulldog regarding Kavanaugh is campaigning for the job? I don't think so.
Full-on Trump ass licking after previously opposing him is campaigning for the job.
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If Mueller is removed, Democrats in the House will definitely subpoena him and all his records publicly. Thank fuck they won the House.
And then what if he says "no, I don't have to give them over because blah blah whatever..."?

I think this is really bad. And from what I've heard about Matthew Whitaker in the last 20 minutes on MSNBC, it may be time to start panicking.
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And then what if he says "no, I don't have to give them over because blah blah whatever..."?

I think this is really bad. And from what I've heard about Matthew Whitaker in the last 20 minutes on MSNBC, it may be time to start panicking.
Sure, if Mueller decides to help Trump and hide the truth, then we're screwed. But I see no reason to believe that would happen. Why wouldn't he cooperate with a congress that wants the facts to come out?

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Graham was talking this up back in August.

Graham: Trump will 'very likely' fire Sessions after midterms
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And then what if he says "no, I don't have to give them over because blah blah whatever..."?

I think this is really bad. And from what I've heard about Matthew Whitaker in the last 20 minutes on MSNBC, it may be time to start panicking.
Democrats will have the House in January. If they didn't, I'd be in full blown panic mode. Trump's misdeeds won't be swept under the rug this time. Now I'm wondering if Trump isn't just digging his own grave.
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Mueller and Rosenstein almost certainly planned for this eventuality. I don't know what will happen, but I think it's likely that they're smarter than Trump and his lawyers.
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If Mueller is removed, Democrats in the House will definitely subpoena him and all his records publicly. Thank fuck they won the House.
Absolutely. And, just to fix the unreferenced pronoun, "Democrats in the House will definitely subpoena Trump and all his records". Everything. Amen.
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I'm reasonably certain Nikki Haley knows that Trump doesn't get to select replacement Senators. And Graham doesn't strike me as someone who would give up his nice little Senate gig.
The current governor of SC was Nikki Haley's lieutenant governor, and is a huge, huge, Trump supporter. Whether or not Graham wants to become AG is debatable, but there's not a doubt in my mind that if Trump & Haley want her to take over the seat in the Senate, she'll get it.
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Democrats will have the House in January. If they didn't, I'd be in full blown panic mode. Trump's misdeeds won't be swept under the rug this time. Now I'm wondering if Trump isn't just digging his own grave.
What, exactly are the House Democrats going to do? All impeaching him will do is throw it to the Senate for the trial, which will almost certainly acquit him of just about anything, unless Mueller shows up with some kind of smoking gun.

And I agree with Clawdio; this smacks of redirecting the media focus away from the election outcome and onto something within Trump's control.
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Mueller and Rosenstein almost certainly planned for this eventuality. I don't know what will happen, but I think it's likely that they're smarter than Trump and his lawyers.
This, for sure.

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Absolutely. And, just to fix the unreferenced pronoun, "Democrats in the House will definitely subpoena Trump and all his records". Everything. Amen.
And then we'll find out what happens when a sitting president ignores a subpoena. I'm guessing nothing will happen.
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Everyone knew this was coming, of course. But that doesn't mean Mueller can do anything to stop Whitaker from hamstringing him. He can just cut his budget, deny him subpoenas, etc. You won't hear Mueller publicly complain. I doubt he would even make copies of investigative records so that Whitaker cannot destroy them.

What you need to understand about Mueller is that he isn't some kind of secretly liberal superhero. He is a standard Republican. He believes in the rule of law, but he isn't going to break any DOJ rules or go out of his way to get Trump. He isn't going to hide records in a personal safe somewhere so that the Democrats can subpoena them or hold a press conference when Whitaker refuses indictments. He isn't going to play politics at all.

Will Whitaker or his replacement do all that? Maybe. Maybe not. I doubt we'll find out until months or years later. It is probably a good thing if liberals pop the fantasy bubble that Mueller was ever going to matter. He wasn't. In a normal functioning political system, he might have. But what should be clear to all now is that this is just a knife fight. No GOP'er is going to protect Mueller, much less take action based on Mueller's report. Mueller is not going to indict the President. He will make a report, maybe. It will be a news story for a week. And then something else will take over the news cycle. Prepare yourself for that now.
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And then we'll find out what happens when a sitting president ignores a subpoena. I'm guessing nothing will happen.
Sure, but the investigations will be directed to records of factually supportable actions and events. Whether someone known to be an inveterate liar shows up to lie some more, or not, isn't really relevant.

I have to say, though, that this is just comedy gold. I'm impressed that the fucker was able to wait the better part of 24 hours before firing Sessions. It was probably only because several conscientious staffers sat on him and took away his cell phone.

What a fucking clown show!
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What, exactly are the House Democrats going to do? All impeaching him will do is throw it to the Senate for the trial, which will almost certainly acquit him of just about anything, unless Mueller shows up with some kind of smoking gun.

And I agree with Clawdio; this smacks of redirecting the media focus away from the election outcome and onto something within Trump's control.
They'll investigate him and his administration when there's evidence of wrongdoing, and try to get the facts out into the open. There's tons of distance between "nothing" and "impeach now!".
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Everyone knew this was coming, of course. But that doesn't mean Mueller can do anything to stop Whitaker from hamstringing him. He can just cut his budget, deny him subpoenas, etc. You won't hear Mueller publicly complain. I doubt he would even make copies of investigative records so that Whitaker cannot destroy them.

What you need to understand about Mueller is that he isn't some kind of secretly liberal superhero. He is a standard Republican. He believes in the rule of law, but he isn't going to break any DOJ rules or go out of his way to get Trump. He isn't going to hide records in a personal safe somewhere so that the Democrats can subpoena them or hold a press conference when Whitaker refuses indictments. He isn't going to play politics at all.

Will Whitaker or his replacement do all that? Maybe. Maybe not. I doubt we'll find out until months or years later. It is probably a good thing if liberals pop the fantasy bubble that Mueller was ever going to matter. He wasn't. In a normal functioning political system, he might have. But what should be clear to all now is that this is just a knife fight. No GOP'er is going to protect Mueller, much less take action based on Mueller's report. Mueller is not going to indict the President. He will make a report, maybe. It will be a news story for a week. And then something else will take over the news cycle. Prepare yourself for that now.
You don't think he and Rosenstein had some sort of meetings about this eventuality, and if they did, you think they just threw up their hands and said "oh well, guess we can't do anything if he tries to fire us"? That doesn't seem likely to me.
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They'll investigate him and his administration when there's evidence of wrongdoing, and try to get the facts out into the open. There's tons of distance between "nothing" and "impeach now!".
So. What.
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We fight with the tools we have, and those are the tools we have (or will once the new House is sworn in).
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You don't think he and Rosenstein had some sort of meetings about this eventuality, and if they did, you think they just threw up their hands and said "oh well, guess we can't do anything if he tries to fire us"? That doesn't seem likely to me.
I am not saying that the eventuality of being overseen by a hostile AG was something Mueller did not plan for. I am saying that there is basically nothing he can do about it without breaking character as a by-the-book soldier.

As you say, Mueller is smart. He is working with smart people. But this isn't twelve-dimensional chess. There is only so much you might plausibly do to prevent your boss from changing the scope of your work.
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I am not saying that the eventuality of being overseen by a hostile AG was something Mueller did not plan for. I am saying that there is basically nothing he can do about it without breaking character as a by-the-book soldier.

As you say, Mueller is smart. He is working with smart people. But this isn't twelve-dimensional chess. There is only so much you might plausibly do to prevent your boss from changing the scope of your work.
Is it that unlikely that he's been sharing his progress with the NY AG office, or something similar to that?
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Is it that unlikely that he's been sharing his progress with the NY AG office, or something similar to that?
Strikes me as quite unlikely, yes. He has been extremely careful to avoid leaks.

But preserving and disclosing what he has discovered strikes me as sort of a side dish. The most likely thing that will change is that he won't be able to investigate further or indict anyone close to the President.
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Mueller can tell Whittaker to fuck off and die. He isn't in Mueller's chain of command. Even an interim AG has to be approved by the Senate, and Whittaker hasn't been.

Let the indictments flow freely!
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Mueller can tell Whittaker to fuck off and die. He isn't in Mueller's chain of command. Even an interim AG has to be approved by the Senate, and Whittaker hasn't been.

Let the indictments flow freely!
Whitaker is the Acting AG. That's the same role that Rosenstein had for the purposes of the Russia investigation.

There is an argument to be made that the Vacancy Act cannot constitutionally apply here. But it is a long-shot, IMO.
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I am not saying that the eventuality of being overseen by a hostile AG was something Mueller did not plan for. I am saying that there is basically nothing he can do about it without breaking character as a by-the-book soldier.

As you say, Mueller is smart. He is working with smart people. But this isn't twelve-dimensional chess. There is only so much you might plausibly do to prevent your boss from changing the scope of your work.
I have been told over and over again that the investigation is being run by 17 angry Democrats. Perhaps one of them has a contingency plan in place.
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So. What.
Power, and the appearance of power. The Dems had neither, which by the principles of political perversity, makes it even more difficult to get any. People got used to thinking of them in terms of contempt, because all they could do was bitch about it. But of course! Therefore, it is even easier for them to believe that the whole thing is a hoax, cobbled together from fantasies of the powerless.

But they haven't seen the evidence, none of us really have. At least some of the people who support Il Douche believe in their own patriotism. If Mueller has The Shit, they will change their minds. How many? Dunno.

But on the main point, Trump lost some power last night. In his position of improvisational mendacity, that's bad. Being seen as losing power....is worse. Makes your allies nervous. Encourages your enemies.

Like me, for instance. I have an odd sensation in the center of my chest, kind of warm and glowy. Oh, wait, that's hope! I remember now....
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