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Old 12-03-2018, 01:22 PM
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Tumblr can eat a gigantic bag of porn-sized dicks

So this is happening.

https://tumblr.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/...-Adult-content
Starting Dec 17, adult content will not be allowed on Tumblr, regardless of how old you are. You can read more about what kinds of content are not allowed on Tumblr in our Community Guidelines. If you spot a post that you don’t think belongs on Tumblr, period, you can report it: From the dashboard or in search results, tap or click the share menu (paper airplane) at the bottom of the post, and hit "Report."
Now, for those of you who don't know, Tumblr has, for a variety of reasons, become the go-to place for a lot of porn producers. Artists, models, authors, photographers, and more. Many of these blogs have hundreds of thousands of followers; some have millions. Porn on Tumblr is kind of a big deal. And now it's going away.

So as someone who is most definitely going to feel the brunt of this purge, let me just say, from the bottom of my heart: fuck you, Tumblr. I'm sure there's some business reason for this - I don't care. I was working on a fuckin' erotic Advents Calendar and now I won't even get to finish it before you fuckers delete my blog. I had some really tasteful shit on there*! But even beyond that, it was where I reached out to lots of my contacts, met a ton of really great similar-minded kinky people, and learned a whole lot about myself. And now all of that is basically just gone in two weeks.

All that's really left to say is (cosigned by basically every single fucking blog I follow) this: Fuck you, Tumblr.

Now who knows of a decent alternative platform? Maybe reddit?

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I read a story about this last week that said that they had temporarily disabled the searchability of adult-content blogs while they figured out a technical solution to a very specific and serious problem. The problem: they had too much underage stuff getting by whatever filters they had in place. Sounds like they gave up on finding a technical solution.
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Old 12-03-2018, 01:34 PM
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There's non-porn on Tumblr?!
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Old 12-03-2018, 01:37 PM
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Old 12-03-2018, 01:55 PM
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I read a story about this last week that said that they had temporarily disabled the searchability of adult-content blogs while they figured out a technical solution to a very specific and serious problem. The problem: they had too much underage stuff getting by whatever filters they had in place. Sounds like they gave up on finding a technical solution.
I understand that "people posting child pornography on your website" is a serious problem. I also know that countless other websites deal with it. 4Chan still exists for some godawful reason. Twitter has porn on it. Reddit has tons of porn on it. So best-case scenario, this is shafting a ton of your users, who have now lost their platform, because you couldn't figure out how to solve a problem countless other sites solve.

This is especially bad for sex workers. A lot of them are on Tumblr, and many of them cultivate their following there, and make a living selling porn or art to those people. As my friend TastezLikeKandi (she has 50k followers on Tumblr and makes a living selling porn of herself) put it:

"Another day, another reminder that people dont give a shit if sex workers live or die. And we’re not just going to magically stop existing when we run out of places to turn online. more and more of us are going to be pushed back onto the streets and more and more of us are going to die. "

(If anyone is curious, she's on Manyvids as "missbriehaven". Normally I wouldn't plug a porn actress here, but it seems apt in this case.)

But given that there was no official explanation given for why they decided to make this move (and "we can't handle a flood of malicious child pornography on our site" is about as good of an excuse as you'll get!), that's merely the best-case scenario. We don't actually know if that was the reason.

By the way, this is a big chunk of Tumblr.

https://techcrunch.com/2013/05/20/tu...-of-referrals/
However, now, we may have some answers. According to an analysis of Tumblr’s 200,000 most-visited domains, 22,775 of them are adult – or 11.4 percent. The analysis was performed by web measurement firm SimilarGroup, a company which raised $2.5 million earlier this year with the intention of competing with Alexa’s stronghold in web rankings.

The measurement firm analyzed the volume of visits to these adult subdomains, and found that 16.6 percent of the traffic that visits Tumblr takes place on adult blogs.

In addition, 22.37 percent of incoming referral traffic from external sites to Tumblr is from adult websites, making that the leading category for referrals. Meanwhile, 8.02 percent of outbound traffic from Tumblr goes to adult websites.
That was in 2013; I somehow doubt it's shrunken considerably since then.
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Old 12-03-2018, 02:15 PM
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Other than people posting links to photos on the SDMB, I don't think I've ever visited Tumblr for anything. Man, seems like I'm missing out on a ton of porn!
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Old 12-03-2018, 02:36 PM
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Well looking at that link was a learning experience.
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Old 12-03-2018, 02:43 PM
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I understand that "people posting child pornography on your website" is a serious problem. I also know that countless other websites deal with it. 4Chan still exists for some godawful reason.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t 4Chan’s way of “dealing with it” to laugh at anyone “triggered” by it, especially since they have no big pocketed owners to sue?

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Twitter has porn on it. Reddit has tons of porn on it. So best-case scenario, this is shafting a ton of your users, who have now lost their platform, because you couldn't figure out how to solve a problem countless other sites solve.

By the way, this is a big chunk of Tumblr.
Yahoo and Tumblr would know that too, though, which makes me think this was a decision not made lightly. How different are Twitter and Reddit from Tumblr technologically as platforms? It doesn’t seem to be a given to me that they have the same issues that would be solved just as easily; anyone more tech minded who can theorize?
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Old 12-03-2018, 02:49 PM
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I didn't know.

That was pretty much the last major platform that allowed adult content (technically, Deviantart doesn't allow it according to peculiar rules that make vore perfectly fine but a dildo off limit for instance, and in fact many artists were posting on Tumblr what they couldn't post on Deviant art. In fact, I intented to do this myself. I guess I can forget about it. Patreon too has adult content, but there too it's, at least in theory, against the rules.). There was also a thriving BDSM community there.

The usual suspects will rejoice at the ban of all this woman oppression, the parents who find that it's everybody else's business to make sure that little Timmy doesn't see a nipple will have some champagne, and the Christians, Muslims and other conservatives and authoritarians will sleep better knowing that this hotbed of depravity ceased to exist.

I had been present a lot on this "dark side" of Tumblr but not during the last months. I'll probably visit to see where people I was in touch with will go. At least the content won't be deleted but only put in private (a lot of people have stuff pretty significant for them posted), and written erotica will be still allowed. I wonder however what will happen to all the posts I reblogged when they'll go private. Will they all disappear from my page or will I still be able to see them?

I'd be curious to know what is the real motivation behind this ban. No doubt that the adult content was making Tumblr attractive for a significant number of people, since there wasn't really any alternative in social networks. I guess they did their maths and bet on gaining more by getting rid of this nefarious reputation than by keeping the porn addicts, the BDSM enthusiasts, the artists, the sex workers, and people who enjoyed a social network not formatted to the preferences of the conservative catholic parents of a 6 y.o. However, I'm wondering what they have to offer that would make them able to compete with other, larger social networks that are equally sanitized. Personally at least I can't see a reason why I would stay on Tumblr rather than joining Facebook where everybody else is if the adult content is removed.
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Old 12-03-2018, 02:54 PM
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I was under the impression Tumblr was nothing but porn and social justice warriors insisting that mayonnaise is a gender and that otherkin is actually a thing.

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There's non-porn on Tumblr?!
Sure. Paradoxically enough, Tumblr is also a hotbed of so-called SJWs (which led to significant frictions, since they aren't typically fond of porn, BDSM or sex work). That's where I "met" them for the first time and I gained my dislike for this kind of barely out of high school "activists" who think nothing of lecturing women twice their age about their life choices or sexual preferences (or ganging up to get their blog deleted).
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I was under the impression Tumblr was nothing but porn and social justice warriors insisting that mayonnaise is a gender and that otherkin is actually a thing.
It's a bit exaggerated, but it's not completely false. That's the reason why I'm dubious about this decision. What specific appeal Tumblr has to compete with the like of Facebook?
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I'd be curious to know what is the real motivation behind this ban.
I assume the motivation was that they crunched the numbers and decided it was prohibitively expensive to hire the requisite number of humans to adequately screen tumblr for kiddie porn.
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And I now need never visit tumblr again.
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I assume the motivation was that they crunched the numbers and decided it was prohibitively expensive to hire the requisite number of humans to adequately screen tumblr for kiddie porn.
Crotalus stated so, but what would make you (or Crotalus) buy this story? Have you ever seen child porn anywhere? Apparently, everybody, including all sites entirely dedicated to porn, and Tumblr itself, manage to get rid of it. I'm willing to believe that some people, presumably not bothered by the idea of spending some years in jail, post it. I'm not willing to believe that it's such a prevalent problem that a huge staff would be required to filter it, especially since it would probably be reported by users within 7 seconds after being posted. On top of it, it has been years since Tumblr was bought. They would suddenly realize only now that they've have been paying tons of people to filter child porn for years?
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t 4Chan’s way of “dealing with it” to laugh at anyone “triggered” by it, especially since they have no big pocketed owners to sue?
Not in the slightest, especially since CP (child pornography) gets you partyvanned (raided by the FBI) anywhere in America. Posting CP will get you banned from 4chan.
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So this is happening.

https://tumblr.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/...-Adult-content
Starting Dec 17, adult content will not be allowed on Tumblr, regardless of how old you are. You can read more about what kinds of content are not allowed on Tumblr in our Community Guidelines. If you spot a post that you don’t think belongs on Tumblr, period, you can report it: From the dashboard or in search results, tap or click the share menu (paper airplane) at the bottom of the post, and hit "Report."
Now, for those of you who don't know, Tumblr has, for a variety of reasons, become the go-to place for a lot of porn producers. Artists, models, authors, photographers, and more. Many of these blogs have hundreds of thousands of followers; some have millions. Porn on Tumblr is kind of a big deal. And now it's going away.

So as someone who is most definitely going to feel the brunt of this purge, let me just say, from the bottom of my heart: fuck you, Tumblr. I'm sure there's some business reason for this - I don't care. I was working on a fuckin' erotic Advents Calendar and now I won't even get to finish it before you fuckers delete my blog. I had some really tasteful shit on there*! But even beyond that, it was where I reached out to lots of my contacts, met a ton of really great similar-minded kinky people, and learned a whole lot about myself. And now all of that is basically just gone in two weeks.

All that's really left to say is (cosigned by basically every single fucking blog I follow) this: Fuck you, Tumblr.

Now who knows of a decent alternative platform? Maybe reddit?

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Probably your best bet is to completely separate the blog from the pictures. If you have a Yahoo account, or are willing to set one up, you can use Flickr to post pictures. And Flickr allows hard-core porn.
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Or they had been relying on an algorithm-based screening process with a handful of human screeners for QA and couldn't scale it up to mitigate false negatives cheaply enough.
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Probably your best bet is to completely separate the blog from the pictures. If you have a Yahoo account, or are willing to set one up, you can use Flickr to post pictures. And Flickr allows hard-core porn.
I rarely visited Flickr, and not recently in any case, but I believe that it does only image hosting, and isn't a social platform that allows blogging, right?
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Apparently Newgrounds is reminding Tumblr users that they have no problem with adult content. I find this somewhat hilarious as I haven't thought of Newgrounds in over a decade, and remember it mostly for badly-made Flash cartoons and games.
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Sure. Paradoxically enough, Tumblr is also a hotbed of so-called SJWs (which led to significant frictions, since they aren't typically fond of porn, BDSM or sex work). That's where I "met" them for the first time and I gained my dislike for this kind of barely out of high school "activists" who think nothing of lecturing women twice their age about their life choices or sexual preferences (or ganging up to get their blog deleted).
Censorious scolds will never be content.
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Ok, from what I read, there was actually one child porn incident that resulted in Tumblr app being removed from the applestore : https://www.fastcompany.com/90270595...ld-pornography

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Apple has a strict “inappropriate content” clause in its App Store policies that says the company will immediately remove apps that are found to be hosting illegal content. Tumblr’s disappearance so quickly from the App Store shows just how swiftly Apple acts on such breaches to its policies.
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That said, as bad as being pulled from the applestore probably is, they can't have decided such a massive change (nudity, and even a nipple will count as nudity, will only be allowed if it's art, not photography, if the blog is flagged as adult, and if there's no depiction of any sex act) on the moment.

From the various articles that I read, I gather that they intend to widen their audience (family friendly, acceptable in more conservative countries, etc...) to be on the same level as Facebook and such. So, they're abandoning a semi-captive "customer base" for an hypothetical much larger one. I don't see this bet succeeding. Once again, why would anybody use Tumblr rather than Facebook if the content is essentially the same? If I just want to communicate with family and friends and see lolcats, they're all on Facebook already.
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Okay, the last thing I expected to see in BPC's blog link is this move being Godwined by Will Wheaton.

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Okay, the last thing I expected to see in BPC's link is this move Godwined by Will Wheaton.
Well at least this made me smile.
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One great thing I will say about this board is that there is a place where you could post about how awful this is and not have to face down some morality police who would say that you shouldn't have been doing porn in the first place. I'm sure the equivalent thread on Reddit will even have that--even if though it will likely be downvoted to hell.

Anyways, yeah, fuck 'em. The child porn excuse doesn't wash for the exact reasons you say. If other companies can figure out how to handle it, so can they. And the characteristics of what Tumblr is is already set in stone. If they try to become more like Facebook, the people who like Tumblr as a social media platform will abandon it. And, as long as they aren't SWERFs (sex worker exclusionary radical feminists), the Tumblr "SJWs" won't be happy, either.

Live Journal is not their only competition. DeviantArt has a huge porn section. And they also allow the microblogging stuff. I like it because it's easy to find similar stuff by just clicking on the side. All they do is have an age gate.

Which, BTW, is how Tumblr could have handled this to avoid problems with Apple if they really were worried. Age gate the site, and don't let the app access the age-gated stuff.

Gah. Sorry this affects you as a producer, BPC. If I remember correctly, some of your stuff is drawn, right? So DeviantArt might be a good place to check out. They do photos, including a specific Fetish Photos section.

It does pretty much remove my last reason to go there. All creators I know have a Twitter or Facebook page. The only time I run into Tumblr anymore is when an image shows up in an image search.

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I didn't know.

That was pretty much the last major platform that allowed adult content (technically, Deviantart doesn't allow it according to peculiar rules that make vore perfectly fine but a dildo off limit for instance, and in fact many artists were posting on Tumblr what they couldn't post on Deviant art. In fact, I intented to do this myself. I guess I can forget about it. Patreon too has adult content, but there too it's, at least in theory, against the rules.). There was also a thriving BDSM community there.
Yeah, DeviantArt is a weird one. They specifically have a Fetish Portraits section, and it tends to have a ton of porn on it. I haven't actually read the rules since I don't make content. Still, a lot of the stuff I would find on Tumblr I've also seen on DeviantArt.

The stuff I saw scrolling through BPC's blog seemed to be stuff that would work on DeviantArt. I've seen stuff like it there before.

I also note that the explicit porn sites often have image sections and have followers and all that junk. Pornhub I know does.

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Reports from Twitter indicate that this new initiative is... not going well, to say the least. Their new algorithm seems to be flagging completely innocuous photos and artworks while letting actual nudity through, and, ironically enough, it flagged Tumblr's own post outlining the new policy.

Sounds like an "Oh shit we need back into the app store, no time for beta testing, DO SOMETHING RIGHT NOW" approach to things.
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I wonder however what will happen to all the posts I reblogged when they'll go private. Will they all disappear from my page or will I still be able to see them?
Found the answer to this question, in case it would interest anybody : the older adult posts that will go private will disappear at the same time from all pages where they've been reblogged.

There are tools that allow to download all pictures of a blog (or at least there used to be), but they just download the pictures. All the texts will be lost. Which is not only erotica (most erotica was written along with a picture), since plenty of people hardly ever wrote about what they had for breakfast without a sexy picture going along with it. And it won't even be possible to know whose picture it was, if personal, or by whom, if made by an artist. Basically all the terrific life stories or fantasies people wrote and posted for years will be gone, along with their carefully crafted (for some at least) pages, with their special spirit or style.

I guess that for many casual visitors, tumblr adult pages were just another big porn stash. But it was pretty different for regular users, for which it was closer to a Facebook and/or Deviant Art page. That's a lot of personal investment by a lot of people that will go "puff" overnight. Personally, I didn't produce much of anything, so that will be mostly the loss of an environment. While Tumblr team says that there's no lack of websites for adult content, there's none to my knowledge that is at the same time a social network (no Facebook XXX in existence, so to speak).
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Yeah, DeviantArt is a weird one. They specifically have a Fetish Portraits section, and it tends to have a ton of porn on it. I haven't actually read the rules since I don't make content. Still, a lot of the stuff I would find on Tumblr I've also seen on DeviantArt.
Basically the rules are (maybe I'll forget some things) :

-No sex act.

-No penetration.

-No masturbation.

-No bodily fluid.

-No opened vagina.

-No erection.

-No sex toys.


And nothing that seems to be a placeholder for these things. In theory it applies also to written text, but I don't think it's seriously enforced.

So, you're perfectly free to post a series showing a woman being raped (as long as you can't see the actual penetration) and then hanged, but not the same woman lying on her bed with a hand on her crotch. The result being that despite Deviant Art stating that "adult content" is forbidden, it's actually filled with it, but adult content following some weird rules, that would preclude a lot of Tumblr content to appear there. Of course, neither the users who don't want adult content nor the users who produce adult content are happy. Obviously, someone who is suspended for his drawing of the woman with her hand on her crotch isn't going to feel he has been treated fairly when he looks at the other allowed page.

On top of it, the moderation seems pretty arbitrary and hazardous, depending mostly on whether or not some moral crusaders have decided to try to take down your page, in which case DA will apply maximum scrutiny and delete content that is simply remotely evocative of what is banned (while still leaving the vore and hanging alone).

In any case, the problem isn't just the content. As you stated, there are plenty of content that you find on both sites. It's that they have a completely different spirit. Even though you could in theory use Deviant Art as a blog, in practice, it's centered on content producer/artists and their work, not on people's lives and experiences, as the adult part of Tumblr is (well, not all of it is, not by a long shot, but that's what regular users are seeking, so that's what they mostly see of Tumblr adult pages : sex-themed personal blogs).
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Once again, why would anybody use Tumblr rather than Facebook if the content is essentially the same? If I just want to communicate with family and friends and see lolcats, they're all on Facebook already.
Facebook may be about to get (relatively) face-planted by the Feds and more tightly regulated by other governments. Plus, a lot of people - a lot of users - from all over the world, are pissed at Facebook right now.

Maybe Tumblr's thinking this is a chance to truly be an alternative to FB.
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It figures. They do little to effectively control illegal content/access and then when they lose Apple Store access over it they panic and brick up the door.

(BTW, I see the new normal is that a social page/blog can only exist viably if it is an App? Way to make yourselves Apple's and Google's serfs. I mention this because my visits to Tumblr had always been through web access as opposed to through App. Then again my porn needs are modest these days anyway.)

Though good point, KarlGauss, they may feel that if the Bigs (FB, Twitter) get slapped around, that may create an opening for them...



OTOH observation suggests any platform that gets "big enough" or that the management wants to make big enough to turn into a big payday, will begin tightning what can and cannot be shown or marketed through it so that it's more mainstream-friendly or so that it looks more like it's on the "right side of history". Basically it's "thank you adult content/fringe communities for helping us build this, we don't need you any more, you scare investors/payment processors/magazine article writers."


And yeah, the "radicals" who would defend that "mayonnaise is a gender" do seem to be full of fail when it comes to people who want to get theirs on in ways they don't approve of.

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And yeah, the "radicals" who would defend that "mayonnaise is a gender" do seem to be full of fail when it comes to people who want to get theirs on in ways they don't approve of.
No one actually says this. It is a transphobic mockery of what trans and trans allies actually do say, similar to the "I identify as an attack helicopter" bullshit. (In this case, I think they mixed it with a SpongeBob reference, where silly idiot character Patrick Star argues that mayonnaise is a musical instrument.)

What we do say is that gender is not a binary, but a spectrum. People can be anywhere on that spectrum, and it's not up to use to police the language they use to describe themselves. We just should try to understand.

It is actually quite rare to run into people who are both trans allies and sex negative. There is some animosity between the trans community and the transvestite (dress in women's clothes for sexual reasons) community, but that is because trans people are worried that their sexuality is being reduced to a kink, not because they are against kink in general.

There's a reason I used the acronym SWERF for the anti-sex-work feminists. It's deliberately evocative of TERF, the trans-exclusionary reactionary feminists. Both are reactions to third-wave feminism: the kind that actually embraces sex and kink.

So, sure, there are some who would cheer the removal of kink and porn from Tumblr. But they are the ones who lie about trans people saying "mayonnaise is a gender."

(Do note that I am glossing over the possibility of a particular kink being thought to be wrong by some but not all. And tons of internal debate. Of course the whole thing is messy. We're dealing with people, not robots. But there's no widespread attack on kink from the LGBT community.)
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Facebook may be about to get (relatively) face-planted by the Feds and more tightly regulated by other governments. Plus, a lot of people - a lot of users - from all over the world, are pissed at Facebook right now.

Maybe Tumblr's thinking this is a chance to truly be an alternative to FB.
I find that foolish given how well-defined Tumblr's identity is.

And they'd need a complete overhaul to actually work like Facebook. There's a reason Facebook has so much stuff you can do. Tumblr is rather bare-bones by comparison. They aren't ready to take on people used to what they can do on Facebook.

I mean, Tumblr doesn't even use real names. Good luck finding your real life friends even if they do join.

Nah, I think this really is just about not being able to stop the porn bot problem, and using a nuke instead. But, at the same time, I do think it will destroy the site. There's no new community waiting to move in after you piss off the very people your site is known for.
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I visited Tumblr only because a data science class I took online made us post our assignments somewhere and recommended that site. I had no idea what the rest of the content was.
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No one actually says this.
You're right and it was entirelly uncalled for on my part to tack on the throwaway quote to my comment on that there are self-proclaimed radicals who will turn on should-be allies. It was distracting, it was low humour and as you said, it misidentifies who's the problem. Pleace accept my apology.


When Yahoo bought Tumblr people asked "what will they do with all that porn". Well, now we know, they haven't figured things out so now they find it worth it if the general adult content and alternative sexual/gender communities get thrown out with the bathwater of unvetted porn.

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That said, as bad as being pulled from the applestore probably is, they can't have decided such a massive change (nudity, and even a nipple will count as nudity, will only be allowed if it's art, not photography, if the blog is flagged as adult, and if there's no depiction of any sex act) on the moment.

From the various articles that I read, I gather that they intend to widen their audience (family friendly, acceptable in more conservative countries, etc...) to be on the same level as Facebook and such. So, they're abandoning a semi-captive "customer base" for an hypothetical much larger one. I don't see this bet succeeding. Once again, why would anybody use Tumblr rather than Facebook if the content is essentially the same? If I just want to communicate with family and friends and see lolcats, they're all on Facebook already.
You do realize that people in "conservative" countries are half their visitors? All the material of PornHub and no awkward questions....
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I stopped using Tumblr a while ago, as I felt they were getting more and more hungry for personal information. Something about that level of Big Borther oversight was rather a turn-off.

I think that may be part of why they are tossing the porn.

At some point, the amount of personal data it vacuums up may become a problem if it is primarily used as a vehicle for porn. Now I am a straight male and I don't think my porn habits would surprise or shock anyone. But seeing it from the perspective of other people...

Plenty of straight women would be mortified if even vanilla porn browsing was revealed to the public. If we extend that to women outside the western world where porn may be less tolerated in general, many could be in real trouble.

Then we have people of all genders that are in some kind of closet, or enjoy some kind of kink that they absolutly don't want outed, including those who live in very repressive regimes.

Tumblrs gathering of personal data together with porn habits and kinks has the potential to result in a vast number of personal tragedies. Any kind of data breach, or selling stuff to someone without too many scruples... Wasn't there some kind of blackmail emails going round a while ago with passwords and threats of revealing pron browsing?
I don't want to support Tumblr in this but I don't think combining a business model that involves gathering as much data about the visitor as possible and then selling it on, is a good fit for a site that hosts lots of porn. Either the porn has to go or they have to rejig where their revenue streams come from.
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I was under the impression Tumblr was nothing but porn and social justice warriors insisting that mayonnaise is a gender and that otherkin is actually a thing.
Well, the fandom gifsets will disappear under Article 13, so yeah. I guess this is a way for Yahoo! to kill it off and cut their losses.

ETA: Well, I'm exaggerating on both counts.

But this is serious. This is akin to an actual porn site--not host, site--deciding to ban even artistic nudity. This won't just knock out the explicit orgy images and the corruption fantasies, but the mild nudity posted by people who were way away from the freaky end of what was on there. This is a lot worse than anyone expected.

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I'm pretty pissed about this too, tbh. I love Tumblr and have so many artists I follow on there that have really nowhere else to go that gives them the following and freedoms they had on Tumblr. Many people are losing their actual livelihoods because of this. Already posts are being flagged and accounts are being banned before the 'deadline'. They're even flagging things that are tagged with words like gay, lesbian, trans, etc.

Part of me blames Apple for instigating this (and apparently they're being sued over their monopoly of apps?). Apple in general is pretty well known in being very anti-adult material. Though another part of me blames Tumblr more because their inability to care enough to police their own site is what led to this. As much as I'd love to say this move is going to kill Tumblr in the end, I really don't think it will. And that just makes me mad. There's tons of 'squeaky clean' sites on the web for people who don't want to chance seeing porn. And there's tons of sites just completely saturated with it. Tumblr was a nice little spot in the middle where you could mostly choose what level of 'adult' material you were exposed to. Were there some 'accidents' due to people tagging shit wrong? Yeah. But like, you kinda were aware of that danger.

I'm mostly rambling now cause I'm just so done with this puritanical way of dealing with anything that gets even modestly popular. But gdi Tumblr.
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You're right and it was entirelly uncalled for on my part to tack on the throwaway quote to my comment on that there are self-proclaimed radicals who will turn on should-be allies. It was distracting, it was low humour and as you said, it misidentifies who's the problem. Pleace accept my apology.
Don't sweat it. It's one of my pet peeves. Sorry if I overexplained the issue.
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As much as I'd love to say this move is going to kill Tumblr in the end, I really don't think it will. And that just makes me mad.
I don't think it'll kill it off, but I don't really see a way for it to grow, either. When it comes to the clean stuff, it is in a rather saturated market. What reason is there for someone to choose Tumblr? The main reasons before were the attitude on porn and the more social justice minded community.

Even the anti-LGBT crowd tend to love their porn and hate censorship, so they'd not want to stick around.

Yahoo still survives, so probably will Tumblr. But I think it's going to be a shell of its former self, and never really recover, unless they get some sort of extremely lucky break.
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You do realize that people in "conservative" countries are half their visitors? All the material of PornHub and no awkward questions....
If you look at the statistics on PornHub, you also find that there is a ton of traffic from those "conservative" countries. So it doesn't really seem to be something that would matter.

It's also not that hard to segment out the adult stuff from the non-adult stuff, and make it where, by default, you can't get to the adult stuff. Nudity detecting algorithms exist, and word filtering is fairly easy.

Google's safe search works quite well at blocking things when it is on. Heck, I'm not sure they couldn't just use Google for site searches (with forced on Safe Search) and not have problems.

The real problem is just detecting bots. But, again, Captcha is actually working quite well elsewhere.
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What puzzles me is why they wouldn't create a parallel website entitled Pormblr or something like that. They could even spin it off if they thought it became a problem for their brand. It would beat setting their property on fire.
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https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2018/1...ex-work-fandom

I helped contribute to this article.

But as an aside... Note this bit.

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In November came the Tumblr app’s removal from the Apple Store. Speculation both inside and outside the platform’s community assumed this was the cause of the explicit content ban — a fear of being locked out of Apple’s precious walled garden, and an unwillingness to dedicate engineering resources to the task of creating a product that could adequately distinguish child pornography from other types of explicit content.

But a former staff engineer, who recently left Tumblr and asked to remain anonymous for professional reasons, tells Vox that the NSFW ban was “in the works for about six months as an official project,” adding that it was given additional resources and named “Project X” in September, shortly before it was announced to the rest of the company at an all-hands meeting. “[The NSFW ban] was going to happen anyway,” the former engineer told me. “Verizon pushed it out the door after the child pornography thing and made the deadline sooner,” but the real problem was always that Verizon couldn’t sell ads next to porn.

(Reached for comment on this timeline, an Oath representative pointed me to the phrase, “Over the past several months and inspired by our storied past, we’ve given serious thought to who we want to be our community moving forward,” from D’Onofrio’s blog post.)
This isn't about porn bots or child porn.
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I wrote this a couple of hours ago, not having read the Vox piece, and debated posting it. This is what it looks like from where I'm sitting, but I may be wrong. Anyone want to correct any misunderstandings?

So, it looks like things played out this way:

Tumblr was a money loser for years.

David Karp, Tumblr's "Dad," sold it to Yahoo! to keep the lights on. Yahoo! tried adding lots of ads—too many, too intrusive ads. So many of the users just blocked them. (Including me. I'm sorry, but it got to be too much.) And some of the ads were not well-targeted in that early period. I don't know what the ads are like now, and I don't care. That's how done I am with Yahoo!'s ads.

So Yahoo! eventually ended up selling out / merging into Oath, which has one of the most sinister names for a tech company in this timeline (and apparently also owns Verizon, which isn't helping their credibility). Oath didn't make the same promises to Karp that Yahoo! did. Now they have to deal with the giant money suck full of crabby teenage users with no money.

What to do?

Strangle it, probably, and let the freeloaders who have no money be someone else's problem. Who even needs customers among the peons when all the nation's wealth is concentrated in the hands of the 0.01%?

Oh, wait. You still need credibility. You want to appear popular, and to pretend that there are supposedly customers out there (even though in post-2008 reality they're commoners with no disposable income). OK, keep the "woke baes" and let the freaks go. That'll look good among our social class.

But of course the "woke baes" include the parts of Tumblr that have the worst reputation. Among the users, Tumblr isn't hated for the porn; we loathe the snots who harass kids off the site and drive young'uns to suicide.

Meanwhile the porn part of Tumblr, as far as I know, were mainly just quietly sitting there looking at porn. (Except for the porn bots, who were following everybody for possibly nefarious purposes and posting stolen photos with ostensible prostitution links almost no one was crazy enough to click on. They were worrying and offensive.)

Tumblr's still going to have an awful business model. But now it also has well earned the distrust and even fury of the users. It may already be dead. And that's great if you just want not to have to support it, but not if you wanted any cred for running it.

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What puzzles me is why they wouldn't create a parallel website entitled Pormblr or something like that.

I saw somewhere else where someone suggested "Cumbler."
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Kevin Drum thinks the anger should be directed at Apple and Tumblr didn't have a choice. He also thinks that Tumblr should simply provide a crippled app for Apple.

I'm dubious, given the Vox article. But Drum's comment section has a few gems among the dross:
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Just to weigh in on how bad Tumblr is at child porn.

First and simplest to fix, reporting a post for containing something illict, against the Terms of Use, or -- you know -- because it's child porn -- is incredibly difficult. There's no easy access to a report button or anything. Unlike every other major service around, Tumblr is real slow to react and not pro-active at all about finding the stuff.

However, that's not the major problem. The major problem is how stupid Tumblr is about how it reacts to child porn. It removes the image, of course. They got that much right. Except -- and here's where the sheer stupidity comes in -- they do not remove the reblogging chain.

Tumblr works by somone posting an image, and various other users hitting "like" or even "reblogging" it on their own Tumblr site. Which means if you see an image (any image) you can click on it and get the entire history of everyone that's ever reblogged it, which plenty of people use to find other Tumblr sites that are into the sorts of things they like (from pretty scenery to hardcore fetish porn or whatever).

Tumblr removes the image, but will not remove the stupid chain of reblogs and likes. Which means that while the image is gone, it leaves the people who like that stuff with a freaking LIST of everyone into the same thing -- in this case, child porn!

That one, stupid, inconceivable choice -- the refusal to not just remove the image, but nuke the entire thread of it's existence -- actually enables more child porn, because Tumblr has happily told the pedophiles -- even if the image has been removed -- where to find more just like it! Tumblr creates networks of pedophiles and child pornographers through sheer bloody stupidity.

At times I can't help but wonder if they've been working as an FBI honeypot, or perhaps whether someone high up in management is big into child porn himself, because I cannot figure out any legitimate reason they don't just nuke those images, and everyone that reblogged or liked them, from orbit. Instead of just removing only the image.

But I suspect the reality is more banal -- sheer freaking laziness. Removing the image alone is sufficient to handle copyright claims, takedown notices, and the usual sort of problem. Tumblr just decided child porn wasn't any difference, and didn't want to spend the effort to differentiate it from other takedown notices, much less create a more effective response.

They just didn't care until Apple came along.

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dr...squs-container
More generally, it's odd that twitter and Tumblr don't adopt a business model where you need to pay if your followers reach a certain critical mass. (Also provide a mechanism for your fans to chip in for what are essentially hosting fees.)

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