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Old 03-14-2019, 11:15 PM
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Mass shootings at mosques in New Zealand


At least two gunmen, and possibly more, are currently firing at at least two mosques and a hospital between them in Christchurch, New Zealand. One of the shooters is an Australian who was live streaming as he shot.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...Gcdzi-k4x9qLeg
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Wow had to go back and look. When I got the alert it only said one location. Now BBC is saying four are in custody, three men and one woman. Way too early to say if that means anything. In custody does not necessarily mean they will turn out to be suspects.
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It seems like it’s confirmed that one gunman was live streaming using a GoPro.
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One of the shooters is an Australian who was live streaming as he shot.
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One of the last things the shooter said before entering the mosque was "subscribe to Pewdiepie". It looks like his weapon was covered in meme stickers too. If anyone doubts that an alt-right pipeline exists and thrives by means of algorithmic information bubbles then this should quash it.
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Death toll has risen to 49.

Fuck you right-wing scumbags and the politicians who encourage and promote such vile agendas.

A senator here in Australia has made a press release, essentially blaming Muslims themselves for the fate that befell them today. Fuck that shit Fraser Anning. You can rot in hell too cunt.
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A senator here in Australia has made a press release, essentially blaming Muslims themselves for the fate that befell them today. Fuck that shit Fraser Anning. You can rot in hell too cunt.
That's the "white genocide in South Africa" fucker, isn't it? Yeah, fuck him, shit like that and his use of "Final solution" should end his career. Won't, though.

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One of the last things the shooter said before entering the mosque was "subscribe to Pewdiepie". It looks like his weapon was covered in meme stickers too. If anyone doubts that an alt-right pipeline exists and thrives by means of algorithmic information bubbles then this should quash it.
I thought Pewdiepie was some sort of teen idol on Youtube. I had no idea he was mixed up with the alt-right. Hard to keep up sometimes.
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I thought Pewdiepie was some sort of teen idol on Youtube. I had no idea he was mixed up with the alt-right..
He has a history of "edgy humour" that just "happens" to include anti-Semitic shit. Plus he likes using the word "nigger". "Accidentally", of course.

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The video autostreamed. A guy in another chat site I frequent inadvertantly saw a gruesome murder before he turned it off. Fuck autoplay videos.
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The video autostreamed. A guy in another chat site I frequent inadvertantly saw a gruesome murder before he turned it off. Fuck autoplay videos.
How do you reach "inadvertently" a webpage with such a video playing???
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The video autostreamed. A guy in another chat site I frequent inadvertantly saw a gruesome murder before he turned it off. Fuck autoplay videos.
I just watched the video. Very disturbing. The shooter was pure evil.

Am guessing Arthur Brown will feel particularly disgusted.
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How do you reach "inadvertently" a webpage with such a video playing???
YouTube has an "up next" feature which, if it is on and you don't turn it off, will automatically play an algorithmically-related video after the one you are playing finishes. I do not know if all of the videos are keyed off the one you deliberately played or if they continue down into a crazy rabbit hole if you just let them keep going since I've never let them continue more than twice, but yes, you can see videos you did not deliberately wish to play.

I could see seeing a murder video by accident if it automatically came up next, and you were only paying half attention and/or the video was not labelled descriptively enough.
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Old 03-15-2019, 06:49 AM
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How do you reach "inadvertently" a webpage with such a video playing???
He was on Twitter, presumably reading about the incident, and it started playing with no warning.

I "inadvertently" see the first several seconds of video of every ad Facebook feeds to me, along with some videos that friend have posted/linked. I turned off "auto-next" on YouTube, but I used to inadvertently see all sorts of crap there. It seems completely unsurprising to me that this happened to him.
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That's the "white genocide in South Africa" fucker, isn't it? Yeah, fuck him, shit like that and his use of "Final solution" should end his career. Won't, though.
Because of Australia's weird electoral system, the fucker managed to score a senate seat with just 19 votes last election.
However, he has been active on social media, amassing supporters with his racist rhetoric. It's his last ditch attempt to score a senate seat in the next election.

I rarely use the word CUNT as a descriptor, but Fraser Anning certainly fits. There's a few others of higher profiles here in Australia, but he is probably the most syphlitic one.
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Old 03-15-2019, 07:17 AM
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I have to say that I've never understood actually seeking out such videos.

Being confronted with shocking images by accident is one thing, actually searching out footage of men, women and children being shot and killed in cold blood is completely alien to me.
In the abstract I suppose I accept that some people have perhaps stronger stomachs than me and can watch such things and either get something from it or be unaffected by it but.....shit, I just don't need that horror in my head.

On the incident itself, horrifically typical I'm afraid. Poisonous, totalitarian ideology, attacking a soft target of innocent people.
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I rarely use the word CUNT as a descriptor, but Fraser Anning certainly fits. There's a few others of higher profiles here in Australia, but he is probably the most syphlitic one.
You are right to keep it for when you need it, as my old Granny used to say "always have a cunt up your sleeve".
I hadn't come across him before but he absolutely fits the bill.
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I have to say that I've never understood actually seeking out such videos.
I quite agree. We know what happened, why the hell do we need to see it. I wonder if they got a particular kick out of the 6 or 7 year old girl being shot in the back.Fuck them.
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One of the gunmen cited right-wing figure Candace Owens as his inspiration. Her reaction was "LOL!" and a laughing emoji, and to blame "The Left" for implying a connection between her and the shooting.

Lady, it isn't about you - save your laughter for an occasion where laughter is appropriate.

How about "While I have no idea how my words could have inspired such an act, that's not important right now. I join the people of New Zealand in mourning these senseless deaths." How hard would that have been?
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Owens reacted like that? Yesterday must been a day that ends with the letter Y.
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How about "While I have no idea how my words could have inspired such an act, that's not important right now. I join the people of New Zealand in mourning these senseless deaths." How hard would that have been?
Pretty hard to do if deep down she actually things the deaths are terriffic. Which sounds like she might.
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Pretty hard to do if deep down she actually things the deaths are terriffic. Which sounds like she might.
I doubt she finds death terrific, but no less troubling is that she finds it hard to process the magnitude of the tragedy. She's indifferent, which in many regards is just as bad.
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Condolences pouring in from around the world. Have not seen anything from Trump yet. Will he say that some shooters at mosques are very good people?
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Pretty hard to do if deep down she actually things the deaths are terriffic. Which sounds like she might.
She's a shameless grifter, startlingly transparent in her case. She would hold hands in harmony with Muslims if that's where the money led her.
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Remember when Stefan Molyneux and Lauren Southern went on their Australia & New Zealand pro-white, anti-Muslim/diversity tour a few months ago? This is the same people who publish daily hours long rants on their youtube channels questioning the validity of non-whites existing in the west (or in Southern's case, traveling to the Europe to enable the drowning of African Migrants).

When will my country (Canada) be properly labeled as an exporter of extremism/terrorism?

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Condolences pouring in from around the world. Have not seen anything from Trump yet. Will he say that some shooters at mosques are very good people?
There was a tweet at 7:41. Also noted there: somebody deleted that tweet about "tough people".

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Jesus Christ....in New Zealand of all places? I'd never imagine something like this happening there. (Sadly I can imagine it quite easily in America - I mean, I don't need to imagine it, since it's already happened so many times.)
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One of the gunmen cited right-wing figure Candace Owens as his inspiration. Her reaction was "LOL!" and a laughing emoji, and to blame "The Left" for implying a connection between her and the shooting.
She's a troll, she's hated by white racists for insinuating herself into right-wing politics in the US, and the shooter was parroting racist memes in trolling her right back.
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When will my country (Canada) be properly labeled as an exporter of extremism/terrorism?
It took us a hell of a long time to deal with Ernst Zundel and we never properly dealt with Omar Khadr's family.

We have provincial politicians who said Islamophobia doesn't exist on the anniversary of a mass murder at a mosque.

Within the past month the federal leader of the opposition spoke to a rally of racists and neo-nazis on Parliament Hill.

But at least nobody has heard from the Neo-Nazi from Montreal ever since there was a warrant issued for his arrest.
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Since I don't feel like doing the research, anyone want to chime in on NZ weapon-control laws and if they had any -- good or bad -- effect on this event?
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Since I don't feel like doing the research, anyone want to chime in on NZ weapon-control laws and if they had any -- good or bad -- effect on this event?
Here is CNN's take, FWIW:

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Following that attack, the nation's gun laws -- which were first passed in 1983 -- came under scrutiny. The ensuing debate led to a 1993 amendment on the regulation of military-style semi-automatic firearms.

Despite those laws, New Zealand's weapons legislation is considered more relaxed than most Western countries outside of the USA. Gun owners do need a license but they aren't required to register their guns -- unlike in neighboring Australia.

While authorities do not know exactly how many legally or illegally owned firearms are currently in circulation in New Zealand, estimates put the number at about 1.2 million, according to New Zealand Police. This figure equates to about one gun for every three people -- a rate that is considered high when compared with Australia, which has 3.15 million guns, approximately one for every eight people.
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Not sure gun control laws have much to do with this sort of random mass shooting, though. From what I understand, the guy who did this attack is Australian, which has tighter gun control laws than New Zealand according to CNN.
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New Zealand can probably do more to regulate firearms, but nothing is going to stop the occasional nutter from doing something like this.

It's times like this when I wonder what, if anything, should we be doing about 'taking away the microphone' from people who troll with hatred. I'm not a fan of restricting speech, particularly if it's the government being the arbiter or censor, but I think there's clearly a responsibility of companies like Google, Facebook, et al to do more to police this kind of shit.

In all fairness, though, it seems like much of this took place in seedy, underground chat rooms and web boards. Maybe it's time to start shining the spotlight on companies that play host to these animals.

Which websites did he visit? Who owns them? Who hosts them?

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Fox & Friends blames the shootings on socialism.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-an...ooting-suspect
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Remember when Stefan Molyneux and Lauren Southern went on their Australia & New Zealand pro-white, anti-Muslim/diversity tour a few months ago? This is the same people who publish daily hours long rants on their youtube channels questioning the validity of non-whites existing in the west (or in Southern's case, traveling to the Europe to enable the drowning of African Migrants).

When will my country (Canada) be properly labeled as an exporter of extremism/terrorism?
It seems that Lauren Southern deleted her "The Great Replacement" video (Muslims are replacing Whites in the west, White-genocide, etc.) as the murderer's alleged manifesto used the theory as its title.

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Fox & Friends blames the shootings on socialism.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-an...ooting-suspect
Because of course they do.

Blaming others for white supremacist right wing terrorism is pretty much standard for Trump & Fox & Friends.
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Fox & Friends blames the shootings on socialism.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-an...ooting-suspect

To be fair, they blame everything on socialism. In 2021 they'll absolutely for sure blame Trump (which at this point they will retroactively have always condemned as an obviously terrible, criminal person) on The Left. I have zero doubt of this.
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Individual 1 actually just called it a terrorist attack.
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Individual 1 actually just called it a terrorist attack.
Surely a large number of his supporters cheered the news.
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I have to say that I've never understood actually seeking out such videos.
Curiosity--what does one of these rampages look like? What would one look like in places I frequent? What chances did the victims have to escape that they failed to take? What chances did the lucky ones have to overcome the shooters? Confirm it actually happened. To humanize the victims, and to make the killings real vs names or categories of people on the television. To see whether the body count is due to the specific weapon & configuration or to strategy, luck, and helplessness of the victims. I could go on, and none of my reasons would have anything resembling a pleasant orientation. To say a viewer would watch the video for kicks or worse (although this being the world it is, there are surely some) is just plain lazy and ridiculously judgmental.

For what it's worth, I don't look these sorts of things up because I don't have the need and I don't want to contribute to "hits" and popularization of the videos.
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He was on Twitter, presumably reading about the incident, and it started playing with no warning.

I "inadvertently" see the first several seconds of video of every ad Facebook feeds to me, along with some videos that friend have posted/linked. I turned off "auto-next" on YouTube, but I used to inadvertently see all sorts of crap there. It seems completely unsurprising to me that this happened to him.
But who is posting this kind of video on twitter or youtube ???
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People who play FPS video games, probably. They're getting quite realistic.
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New Zealand can probably do more to regulate firearms, but nothing is going to stop the occasional nutter from doing something like this.

It's times like this when I wonder what, if anything, should we be doing about 'taking away the microphone' from people who troll with hatred. I'm not a fan of restricting speech, particularly if it's the government being the arbiter or censor, but I think there's clearly a responsibility of companies like Google, Facebook, et al to do more to police this kind of shit.

In all fairness, though, it seems like much of this took place in seedy, underground chat rooms and web boards. Maybe it's time to start shining the spotlight on companies that play host to these animals.

Which websites did he visit? Who owns them? Who hosts them?
This has Tor written all over it.
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Jesus Christ....in New Zealand of all places? I'd never imagine something like this happening there.
The killer said that's partly why he chose New Zealand as a target, so that no place felt safe.

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Individual 1 actually just called it a terrorist attack.
And then immediately started talking about the Evil Foreigners:

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Most likely he's perfectly happy about this, it's standard right wing rhetoric tactics for the aftermath of right wing terrorism. Throw out some crocodile tears about deploring violence, then make it immediately clear that they actually support what happened.

I'm sure the great majority of the western Right thinks this was great, it's just that most aren't willing to openly admit it. But among themselves and in their own heads they're gloating.
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Surely a large number of his supporters cheered the news.
Or said the worshippers should have been armed - until realizing that this happened on the other side of the world.

I just heard on NBC News that the youngest surviving victim is 4 years old.

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I thought Pewdiepie was some sort of teen idol on Youtube. I had no idea he was mixed up with the alt-right. Hard to keep up sometimes.
As a rule, I stay out of the pit.

This, however, needs to be addressed. In no way does Pewdiepie support this, encourage this, and he is definitely not alt-right. He's already condemned their actions.

Just like shooting the president to get to Jodie Foster, this in no way involves him.
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I have echoed Sam Harris in pointing out in the past that these kinds of attacks are almost always inflicted by, not against, Muslims. This is a massive counterexample, and I just wanted to state for the record that I see and recognize that.

Really terrible, and I hope not the start of a trend.


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Curiosity--what does one of these rampages look like? What would one look like in places I frequent? What chances did the victims have to escape that they failed to take? What chances did the lucky ones have to overcome the shooters? Confirm it actually happened. To humanize the victims, and to make the killings real vs names or categories of people on the television. To see whether the body count is due to the specific weapon & configuration or to strategy, luck, and helplessness of the victims.

Cosigned, although you seemed to undercut your point later in your comment.

I always wonder, when people get on their high horse disapproving of those of us who are curious to see these things: do they also think it was wrong for people to want to see World War II footage on newsreels in the 1940s, or decades later on the History Channel?
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