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Old 04-21-2019, 06:14 PM
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Game of Thrones 8.02 "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms" 4/21/19 [SHOW ONLY]


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That was one of my favorite episodes ever. I hope Tormund got some.
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Old 04-21-2019, 09:10 PM
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That was one of my favorite episodes ever. I hope Tormund got some.
He wouldn't be the only one.
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Old 04-21-2019, 09:10 PM
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Lots of great moments -- Brienne being knighted at the top. Also, Tormund telling a story. And everything with Bran (no worries IMO that ominscient Bran is boring Bran... I think he's the most interesting he's ever been). I'm glad Sam gave the sword to someone who can use it -- they need all the Valyrian steel they can get. I figured the Hound would be a good choice, considering the frickin' size of that sword, but Jorah has a history with Sam and makes more sense.
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Also, someone has to see the problem with hiding in the crypts from the guy who can raise the dead.
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Old 04-21-2019, 09:11 PM
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I'm just not going to be able to handle it if they put to bed the main antagonist next ep....and then just go back to boring Game of Throning in two weeks.

I don't give a shit about the GD Iron Throne and wish Jon had said as much. I sure don't give a shit about Bronn and the crossbow. Don't give a shit about the Golden Company. Give a little bit of a shit about Dany's pigheadedness, but don't want to see the North at odds with her.

I just want to see a running fight all the way to Kings Landing with the Night King and things wrapped up in the last episode without stupid politicking
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Old 04-21-2019, 09:13 PM
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I couldn't watch Arya and Gendry. It felt almost as if I were watching my own child. I'm afraid she is far too confident and she's going to pay for it. Also, Bugs Bunny has spoiled all knighting scenes for me forever because I could not resist saying, "Arise, Sir Loin of Beef" when Breinne was knighted.
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Old 04-21-2019, 09:15 PM
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I'm just not going to be able to handle it if they put to bed the main antagonist next ep....and then just go back to boring Game of Throning in two weeks.
No, it looks like the Night King is about to attack Winterfell, but there are still too many episodes remaining. So it's going to go on for a while.

Fun episode, though.
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The Arya / Gendry (Genya? Ardry?) was nice. And ++ with the Knighting of Brienne.
Still unsure what Arya's weapon will do.
Ok, it is obviously not going to go well next episode for the living (it is only episode 3, and they wouldn't have them win so soon -- Though they can dedicate an episode with fighting Cersei)
Not that it really matters, but I hope one of the books Sam stole confirms Jon's parents.
And Podrick (well, the actor) can sing.

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Old 04-21-2019, 09:20 PM
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This episode was to get us emotionally invested only to break our hearts next Sunday.
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Old 04-21-2019, 09:21 PM
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Two possibilities to wrap this all up, I think:

1. The North triumphs next week (or early the following week). Then the last 3 episodes resolving the conflict with Cersei.

2. The White Walkers triumph next week and send the survivors fleeing South (really, everyone ought to flee on ships to Essos), and it's a big mess in Kings Landing to resolve as the White Walkers approach with an even larger army.

The interesting thing is the dragons. That's why I think 1 might be more likely -- if the dragons die, then they become dragon zombies, and everyone is totally fucked. And if the dragons don't die, then they won, almost certainly. It's hard to imagine a scenario in which the dragons live but the North falls -- that would require Dany to flee, which doesn't seem in character. I've heard a hypothesis that the Night's King might be throwing a feint at Winterfell, and move the bulk of his army around it and attack King's Landing. But I don't think there's enough episodes left for that to happen.

But we'll see. I'm surprised they've actually done so little in the first two episodes, with only 4 to go. I figured this one would be the Battle of Winterfell. But that will be next week.

I wonder if dead Starks will be rising from the crypt during the battle to attack the women and children, and I wonder if everyone was too stupid to consider and plan for that possibility...

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This episode was to get us emotionally invested only to break our hearts next Sunday.
There will be tons of me screaming 'Noooooo" next ep

Still don't know what they plan to do with the dragons. Personally id wait for the attack and then let each come in super low and get one run of dragonfire before sending them and Dany to the Iron Islands.
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I got choked up more times than any previous episode I think.
Brienne vouching for Jaime.
Jaimie knighting Brienne.
Sam giving his sword to Ser Friendzone.
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I loved the episode. It was great to see all the characters interacting in their various ways (especially since we know that for too many of them the next episode will be their last). I almost expected to hear someone playing a mournful harmonica like on the last night at the Alamo, and then Pod's song filled that role.

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I'm just not going to be able to handle it if they put to bed the main antagonist next ep....and then just go back to boring Game of Throning in two weeks.

I don't give a shit about the GD Iron Throne and wish Jon had said as much. I sure don't give a shit about Bronn and the crossbow. Don't give a shit about the Golden Company. Give a little bit of a shit about Dany's pigheadedness, but don't want to see the North at odds with her.

I just want to see a running fight all the way to Kings Landing with the Night King and things wrapped up in the last episode without stupid politicking
I don't give a shit about the stupid, boring battle scenes. They've been the worst episodes of the series. The only reason to watch GoT is the politicking. Everything else is a total waste of my time.

OK, that's a bit extreme. I just hate the mentality that people being interesting and clever is inferior to huge hordes of faceless extras being killed while the heroes miraculously survive. That attitude has infected and ruined the superhero movies of the past decade. Every one starts with something watchable and then ends with hordes, each ending battle longer than the one before. GoT caught this disease badly. (The Battle of the Bastards? Six against the zombie hordes?) Have Dany jump on a dragon, knock out the Night King, watch the hordes drop dead all at once, go after Cersei. That's entertainment.
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I think after next week ( epic dead vs not-yet battle) it will be about allies becoming enemies, and better natures giving way to ambition, expedience and revenge. I think it will echo post WWII stuff. The big fight is won, evil is defeated, but the fighting is never over.
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I don't give a shit about the stupid, boring battle scenes. They've been the worst episodes of the series. The only reason to watch GoT is the politicking. Everything else is a total waste of my time.

OK, that's a bit extreme. I just hate the mentality that people being interesting and clever is inferior to huge hordes of faceless extras being killed while the heroes miraculously survive. That attitude has infected and ruined the superhero movies of the past decade. Every one starts with something watchable and then ends with hordes, each ending battle longer than the one before. GoT caught this disease badly. (The Battle of the Bastards? Six against the zombie hordes?) Have Dany jump on a dragon, knock out the Night King, watch the hordes drop dead all at once, go after Cersei. That's entertainment.
Although I agree The Fellowship of the Wights was a dumb and boring fight, The Battle of the Bastards is one of my top 3 episodes ever.
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This episode was to get us emotionally invested only to break our hearts next Sunday.
This, x100. Right now I love them all and you know a lot of them will die next week.
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Old 04-21-2019, 09:55 PM
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Looks like I wasn't the only one a bit unsettled with Arya and Gendry's scene.
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Old 04-21-2019, 09:58 PM
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Melisandre hasn’t appeared yet and she won’t show up to help defeat Cersei. So unless she shows up with Kinvara and a horde of cultist with flaming swords next week the night king will be in play until the end.
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I watched The Falling last night, so I was kinda inoculated.
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This was a much stronger episode filled with the sort of character moments they just failed on last episode.
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Although I agree The Fellowship of the Wights was a dumb and boring fight, The Battle of the Bastards is one of my top 3 episodes ever.
Battle of the Bastards is widely held as one of the finest pieces of TV ever and of a medieval battle on TV or in a movie.

The Castle Black fight episode was fantastic as well. And so was the Dragon V Lannister battle.
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Inoculated? I thought I saw that and don't remember anything that inoculated us for tonight.



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This was a much stronger episode filled with the sort of character moments they just failed on last episode.
Really one long episode. If I was binging this show, I'd just put these on back to back.
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Battle of the Bastards is widely held as one of the finest pieces of TV ever and of a medieval battle on TV or in a movie.
It isn't that the fighting scenes weren't well done. (They are, in fact, usually more detailed and coherent than most comic book movies.) It's that everybody (i.e. all the named cast members) should have died.

For all the talk of being the series which kills off main characters, how many of them have ever fallen in battle? Compared to the miraculous number who have survived, effectively zero.
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I think that everybody in the crypts will be dead before morning and that Ser Davos will be killed by mini-Shireen.
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This episode would be great while binging, but I'm not a fan as a standalone episode.

Jaime knighting Brienne though, was the most heartfelt scene since... Sansa meeting Jon at Castle Black? Ever?
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The first two episodes feel mechanical to me with the characters showing up to their appointed locations to deliver the necessary lines to advance the plot forward towards the inevitable conclusion. A slow moving and ponderous epic soap opera.
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He wouldn't be the only one.
I found the Arya/Gendry sex seen unsettling, even more so than Sansa being raped on her wedding night. Which makes no sense Arya and Gendry are both consenting adults.

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Also, someone has to see the problem with hiding in the crypts from the guy who can raise the dead.
Funeral customs in the North involve cremation, except for the nobility who's remains are somehow made processed into statues. I don't think any of the remains are in a state to be reanimated.

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Fun episode, though.
There's still the battle for Iron Throne to get out of the way.
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2. The White Walkers triumph next week and send the survivors fleeing South (really, everyone ought to flee on ships to Essos), and it's a big mess in Kings Landing to resolve as the White Walkers approach with an even larger army.
It could be, but it will take months for the Army of the Dead to reach Kings Landing. By the time they get there, Winter could be over.
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Not a terrible episode but it's so obvious they ran out of source material before last season. I still want to see the end, but this is like when a show goes on too long and the main characters just become caricatures of themselves. I loved the GoT where it was unpredictable. Maybe if Jamie had chopped off Briene's head during the knighting ceremony and killed his brother, taking his head back to Cersei it would have brought some of that back, but now it's just cheesy.
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I loved it so much I had to immediately watch it again. I've always been a bigger fan of the character driven episodes and all the scenes were reminders of how much the characters have been through and why we care about them. It was also sad to know that it was goodbye to a lot of them.

Brienne vouching for Jaime, Theon and Sansa meeting and Davos with the little girl got me misty-eyed. Tormund's story was hilarious. It was fun to see he and Jaime "spar" over Brienne. The knighting scene was probably the best of the episode. Brienne's smile was so wonderful to see. Gendry and Arya having sex - I did not see that coming but I'm glad it happened because it boosts my prediction that Gendry will get the Iron Throne with Arya as his warrior queen. I also loved her scene with the Hound ("I fought for you") and think when she saw Gendry, she decided that she didn't want to die a miserable shit like the Hound and Beric.

I was wondering why no one in the war council mentioned that the Night King will be riding Viserion. Surely they know that is that is going to happen. When Jaime said he wouldn't expose himself, I expected someone to say he will be all by himself on a dragon. That's pretty exposed to someone else on a dragon.
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This was a much stronger episode filled with the sort of character moments they just failed on last episode.
Maybe they just decided that, with so much to get through in the first episode, they just postponed them to this one.
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Another thing I meant to mention is that Daenerys keeps saying that she has wanted the Iron Throne her whole life, that it is all she ever wanted. That's not true. Until Viserys died there was never any possibility that she could get the throne. She grew up believing that he was the true king. She was sold to Drogo to get an army for him. She had no expectations of ruling anything. So she has only wanted the throne for a few years. I guess revising that history is supposed to make it seem even harder for her to give it up.
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One thing that stood out to me was the idea that the iron islands are somehow safe. The Night King has a dragon. He could fly over, and raise an ay from those that he killed. I don't think a bit of water would stop him there, or at Essos for that matter.
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He could, but it's a challenge, or at least it seems so. Since the dead bring winter with them, I think they could probably actually just freeze a bridge to the Iron Islands.

Although I thought the first two episodes were good, this was bad pacing. Two episodes about the same thing where nothing actually happened, in a six episode season? This only works because I've come to love these characters and thought about them for years so that they've gotten under my skin and will live there for the rest of my life. If I was just binging the show it would be coming to a screeching halt right here.
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I don't approve of ending the story this year though. The show is falling into the trap a lot of shows do, where "Okay, we're going to end it, so let's just wrap up every storyline, even though some of these storylines could stand to get a lot more time". They spent 2 and a half seasons on the war between the Starks and the Lannisters and they are going to wrap up TWO even huger conflicts in just four episodes? The war with the dead needs the whole season and we need a ninth and tenth seasons to wrap up the Iron Throne battles.
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I'm not predicting this, but what if the army of the dead basically ignored Winterfell and just kept heading south? I realize a) They could have done that if they wanted and b) The whole Three Eyed Raven thing.
I do wonder if the living survivors head to Moat Cailin or some other fortification to the south.

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The title for this episode that I'm seeing is "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms."
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Jaime knighting Brienne though, was the most heartfelt scene since... Sansa meeting Jon at Castle Black? Ever?
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Still unsure what Arya's weapon will do.
It's a staff. I think we saw her spend a ton of time training for staff combat with the waif. Sort of like Morgan on Walking Dead. The only difference is that her staff has dragonglass blades on each end, ala Darth Maul. It should be quite effective in her hands against the dead.

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I suppose if Dany and Jon dies, I could stand more politicking
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Ditto
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It struck me that they're beating us too much with the crypts being the safest place for non-combatants. They must have said it three or four times last night.

They're doomed.

Sam and Gilly and Little Sam and the new spunky girl with gray scale (what happened to that being so impossibly rare in Westeros?) and all the rest.

And that was the point of the Little Bear scene: they don't want her dead (or at least not yet) so they had to explain why she won't be down there as she naturally should.

I've been discounting the posts these last weeks about the Winter King reanimating a zillion dead Starks inside the crypts. Mostly because the wights we've seen have had quite a bit of flesh on them so they can move and fight. Using a bunch of pure bone Harry Hausen skeletons would simply look ridiculous.

So the attackers will mainly be regular wights, pouring in through some access way that's been overlooked. In Real Life, many castles had 'sally ports' so that knights could slip out through them and harry the other side during sieges, without opening the main gates for attackers to flood in. One of these will be found/used by the wight army.

Actually, if it turns out to be true that the man who the Children turned into the Night King *was* a Stark, he might know exactly where these exits are.

I think the big shocker will be the identity of one of the wights: CATELYN. For all of you who have been longing for Lady Stoneheart, you'll get Zombie Kate instead. I bet that seeing her is what panics Arya into the blind panic run we saw in a promo.

Yes, she died at the Twins, and several years ago. But it's likely the Freys allowed for the various Houses to collect the bodies of their dead and take them home. and maybe it hasn't yet been long enough for all her flesh to rot away. (Hey, it's COLD down in those crypts, right?)

Hmm. I think Rob and Ned are dead dead, severed heads in both cases, but Rickon could be a possibility, too, but would the audience care about him at all?
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A few more random thoughts:

- So much talk of the crypts, I'm almost wondering if they're setting us up for a surprise. It's too easy for all of us to figure out "OMG! Crypts are full of DEAD PEOPLE! Night King reanimates DEAD PEOPLE! They're DOOOOMED!" Also, the dead in the crypts are mostly old dead - bones, etc. Are we going to get skeletons now? I really hope... something unforeseen happens down there.

- We saw a LOT of Brienne this episode, plus she was knighted. She's all poised to die a glorious hero death next week. I'll be sorry to see her go.

- Arya / Gendry: called it.

- Nice to see Ghost again. Guessing he'll do something significant in the next episode.

I can hardly wait until next week. I keep hearing reports of 55 days filming just this one episode. It'll be glorious!
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Sorry, ignore that. I had a temporary mental block and had forgotten that Sansa was ever at the Wall. Carry on.
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