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Character Actor ID.


OK, let's see how good you guys really are. I've been going nuts trying to remember a character actor. I can picture him in my head but don't remember his name or a single damn thing he was in. He is a basic older white male mostly active, I think, in the 1970's. Maybe he did an episode of Star Trek, or maybe not. The best I can do in describing him is that he was an insurance salesman or accounting type, with an occasional hint of menace. Think, maybe, mob accountant, and you've got it. Wore glasses, at least in my head picture.

I've tried Google searching for character actor pictures but no luck.

Sorry for the limited info, but if I remembered more I could find him myself.
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Herbert Anderson.
He played Dennis the Menaces dad.
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Herbert Anderson was more an actor of the 1950's than of the 1970's:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Anderson

Here are pictures of him:

https://www.google.com/search?q=herb...w=1280&bih=647
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Nope. Grey hair, fuller face.
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William Shallert? https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0769974/
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What kind of shows was he in? Cop? PI? Medical? Sitcoms?

If he was in Star Trek, he probably was also in Mission: Impossible. By "older," you mean 50+?

Maybe James Daly? He had grey hair, could play heavies, and sometimes wore glasses.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...path-prefix=en

He was also noted for Medical Center and Roots. He died of lung cancer shortly after appearing in the latter.
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James Daly, BTW, was the principal villain in the only episode of M:I in which a member of the IMF committed out-and-out cold-blooded premeditated murder. Dan Briggs shot him point-blank in the head while he was passed out behind his desk.

Normally they tricked the bad guys into shooting each other, or they were hoist by their own petard. At the end of this episode, Cinnamon complimented Briggs with a "Nice shot, Dan."
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James Daly, BTW, was the principal villain in the only episode of M:I in which a member of the IMF committed out-and-out cold-blooded premeditated murder. Dan Briggs shot him point-blank in the head while he was passed out behind his desk.

Normally they tricked the bad guys into shooting each other, or they were hoist by their own petard. At the end of this episode, Cinnamon complimented Briggs with a "Nice shot, Dan."
AFAIK, no, Briggs doesn’t shoot the bad guy in the head; he shoots the guy the bad guy was supposed to shoot, making sure to aim for the thin metal plates that supply the target with a bulletproof area the size of a slim book.

That innocent then plays dead; Briggs then locks himself in the study and fires a shot nowhere near the head of a guy who’s slumped over at the desk (and who looks exactly like the peel-off disguise being worn by Briggs).

So at first it looks like Guy A shot Guy B dead and then shot himself in the head in a bizarre murder-suicide; but Guy B is alive, since Briggs is so fine a first-shot marksman (explaining Cinnamon’s praise), and the second shot just wowed folks outside the room (so they’d think a guy just got head-shotted). But then Briggs, sans peel-off disguise, strides in to deliver exposition.

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Stephen Tobolowsky?
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AFAIK, no, Briggs doesn’t shoot the bad guy in the head; he shoots the guy the bad guy was supposed to shoot, making sure to aim for the thin metal plates that supply the target with a bulletproof area the size of a slim book.

That innocent then plays dead; Briggs then locks himself in the study and fires a shot nowhere near the head of a guy who’s slumped over at the desk (and who looks exactly like the peel-off disguise being worn by Briggs).

So at first it looks like Guy A shot Guy B dead and then shot himself in the head in a bizarre murder-suicide; but Guy B is alive, since Briggs is so fine a first-shot marksman (explaining Cinnamon’s praise), and the second shot just wowed folks outside the room (so they’d think a guy just got head-shotted). But then Briggs, sans peel-off disguise, strides in to deliver exposition.

[/hijack over]
Don't you mean Rollin Hand? Briggs didn't usually get involved in the dirty workk, and the peel-off mask was Rollin's thing.
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Don't you mean Rollin Hand? Briggs didn't usually get involved in the dirty workk, and the peel-off mask was Rollin's thing.
No, I mean Briggs; IIRC this is when Steven Hill was getting less and less time in the episodes before getting dropped altogether for Peter Graves, so having ‘Briggs’ spend most of an episode ‘in disguise’ was a big help. (Plus they threw in a line about how the guy to be doubled physically resembled Briggs more than Hand.)
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This is my guess too. He was in everything in the 70s, played comic and straight roles, and had a distinctive voice.
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Schallert is way off (too milquetoasty). James Daly is actually the best guess we've had so far, but it's not him. Dabbs Greer would be another good guess, but it's not him either. This process is actually working the way I figured it would. Eliminating an individual takes out whole groups and we'll narrow it in. Tobolowsky is bald and too contemporary.
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Maybe James Gregory? TOS, M:I, BM.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20090216083928

Lew Ayres? He was still around in the '70s. He even dated MTM.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20090216083928
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AFAIK, no, Briggs doesn’t shoot the bad guy in the head; he shoots the guy the bad guy was supposed to shoot, making sure to aim for the thin metal plates that supply the target with a bulletproof area the size of a slim book.

That innocent then plays dead; Briggs then locks himself in the study and fires a shot nowhere near the head of a guy who’s slumped over at the desk (and who looks exactly like the peel-off disguise being worn by Briggs).

So at first it looks like Guy A shot Guy B dead and then shot himself in the head in a bizarre murder-suicide; but Guy B is alive, since Briggs is so fine a first-shot marksman (explaining Cinnamon’s praise), and the second shot just wowed folks outside the room (so they’d think a guy just got head-shotted). But then Briggs, sans peel-off disguise, strides in to deliver exposition.

[/hijack over]
According to IMBd, Briggs did indeed execute the impostor, which is how I understood it. I saw the episode a few months ago, and it came as a shock.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0649270...ef_=tt_trv_trv

It's also true Ricardo Montalban was whacked in another episode, but that was more a case of the villain doing himself in (he needn't have been in the tunnel). Something similar happened with John van Dreelin in another episode when his diamond-making machine blew up. The IMF may have wanted him to die, but they couldn't guarantee it.
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Lew Ayres? He was still around in the '70s. He even dated MTM.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20090216083928
Sorry, wrong link. Try this one:

https://image.tmdb.org/t/p/w300/yq6z...xx8JgYpJmQ.jpg
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Another possibility: Vic Perrin. Can't vouch for the glasses, though.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20180706003827

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According to IMBd, Briggs did indeed execute the impostor, which is how I understood it. I saw the episode a few months ago, and it came as a shock.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0649270...ef_=tt_trv_trv
It was a very convoluted episode as well: Briggs impersonating the bad guy who was impersonating the good guy whom the IMF rescued before they shot the bad guy who was supposed to shoot another good guy, but Briggs shot him instead, only he wasn't really shot....

You needed a score card with this one, just to keep track of who was supposed to kill whom.
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According to IMBd, Briggs did indeed execute the impostor, which is how I understood it. I saw the episode a few months ago, and it came as a shock.
I don’t see how. I mean, okay, sure, you and whoever posted that IMDB comment agree, but: near as I can tell, (a) it’s not that we see him line the gun up with the guy’s head when he pulls the trigger; and (b) it’s not like we see the guy, and then there’s a quick cut to a close-up of Briggs firing, and we can’t technically see where the gun is pointed but the clear implication is obvious.

Near as I can tell, it’s a single long shot where we can see Briggs, and we can see the guy, and we can see where Briggs points the gun right as he pulls the trigger, and the gun is visibly pointed away from the guy’s head. (And it stands out as doubly obvious because, again, we just saw Briggs pull a trigger while actually pointing that gun at someone; we know what that looks like.)
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...and, coming back around to the OP: Joe Mantell, also an M:I villain, looks more than a little like Daly with grey hair and a fuller face.
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Vincent Gardenia, who played a bespectacled mobster in M:I, is actually wearing a pair of glasses in his IMDB profile pic...
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Maybe he did an episode of Star Trek, or maybe not. The best I can do in describing him is that he was an insurance salesman or accounting type, with an occasional hint of menace. Think, maybe, mob accountant, and you've got it. Wore glasses, at least in my head picture.
Anthony Caruso did an iconic episode of Star Trek as a mob guy who wore glasses.
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Those are all good guesses. And It's not David Brian who played John Gill in the classic ST ep "Patterns of Force" either. But he kind of looks like the guy too.

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E-DUB, could you, in one post, list all the actors suggested so far and your reaction to each of them? For each one, tell us in what way they do or don't resemble the actor you're thinking of. This thread has gotten very confusing, so it's hard to tell what your reactions to all the actors listed are.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Gunton

Bob Gunton played the Warden in Shawshank Redemption.
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Why don't you go to IMDb and look at some full cast lists of late '60s--'early '70s TV shows, starting with TOS and M:I? Odds are, he's on one of them.
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Vincent Gardenia, who played a bespectacled mobster in M:I, is actually wearing a pair of glasses in his IMDB profile pic...
That guy! I was going to mention him but couldn't immediately recall his name.
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OK-to recap:

Herbert Anderson: Way off. Too nondescript.
William Schallert" Way off. Too mild-mannered.
James Daly: Close, but no cigar.
James Gregory: No. Hair too dark.
Lew Ayres: Good guess. But too mild-mannered.
Vic Perrin: Good guess.
Anthony Caruso, Vince Gardenia: Too ethnic.
Steven Tobolowsky: Too recent, bald
Bob Gunton: Too recent
Abe Vigoda: I'd know if it was him.

I'm gonna go to IMDB and do full looks at the ST and MI casts. Just to see if I can find the needle in one of those two haystacks.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Vernon

John Vernon was the mayor in Dirty Harry and Dean Wormer in Animal House.

ETA: His screen debut was as the voice of Big Brother in the 1956 version of 1984.

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How about William Windom? I forgot if he's come up.
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Probably not correct, since he was also bald, but John Fiedler?
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No, no, and no. I should point out that I've seen every episode of ST:TOS probably dozens of times as watching it was a daily dorm ritual. That takes out Fiedler and Windom. Vernon, I'd know right away. All these guys are too prominent. Go more obscure. And I did check the listing for ST:TOS and MI. (God, those pictures are small.)
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Joseph Campanella

Martin Balsam

Christopher George

Peter Mark Richman This guy looks like a mob accountant.

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Here are some lists of actors whose faces are recognizable but whose names are often forgotten:

http://www.ninjajournalist.com/enter...own-actors-fb/

https://www.ranker.com/list/character-actors/lisa-waugh

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls021574710/

https://stars.topix.com/slideshow/15709

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls002511750/

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls000122191/

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls050427245/

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls000062158/

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls006574251/

http://www.460xvr.com/tg/not.htm
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For the Star Trek connection and a mob lawyer look: Arthur Batanides?
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Peter Mark Richman This guy looks like a mob accountant.
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Richard Herd, maybe; although I don't recall him wearing glasses.
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Ray Walston?

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Herd is too hefty. Betanades was a good guess, but not gray haired. Noticed Edward Andrews on there, he's close but not a winner. And no to Ray Walston (Come on. I know Uncle Martin.)
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Monte Markham.
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Liam Sullivan? Did do a guest shot on ST:TOS. Lots of fifties-through-seventies tv appearances as lawyers, doctors, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liam_Sullivan

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Nope. Dabbs Greer, Edward Andrews and James Daly are the closest so far. Think maybe the guy did a few westerns too.
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Nope. Dabbs Greer, Edward Andrews and James Daly are the closest so far. Think maybe the guy did a few westerns too.
Elisha Cook Jr.?

Also was in TOS
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Cook is too smallish, although he could certainly do sinister, give his later recurring role in Magnum PI.
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Phillip Pine was dark-haired when he showed up on STAR TREK, but went grey while retaining his Somewhat-Amiable-But-Somewhat-Sinister persona; sometimes wore glasses, and looks like he had a slight resemblance to Daly.
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What the hell, I'll take a guess. John Dehner?
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