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So, apparently a lot of people have named their kid Khalessi or Daenerys on the basis of her actions in the early part of the story. Those kids now have the name of Westeros's biggest mass murderer, probably not the aim their parents were going for. Has this ever happened before, (a fictional character getting so popular that people name their kids after him/her, then the character changing in some fundamental way that changes the context of the name for the worse)?
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I am a teacher and had two girls the same year with the name Isis and I thought it was kind of funny.
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Has this ever happened before, (a fictional character getting so popular that people name their kids after him/her, then the character changing in some fundamental way that changes the context of the name for the worse)?
Yes. Plenty of people named a kid Atticus.
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How to talk to your daughter Khaleesi about that ‘Game of Thrones’ episode.
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It'll be interesting 30 years from now when Daenerys Jones runs for president...or else.
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Wait, this is the character whose favorite word is the Draconic command for "burn it all", right? And who has pretty much always had that as her favorite word? You could maybe argue that, at first, she was fighting for a righteous cause, but she's always been a ruthless monster.

As, of course, are most of the other folks in that series.
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Wait, this is the character whose favorite word is the Draconic command for "burn it all", right? And who has pretty much always had that as her favorite word? You could maybe argue that, at first, she was fighting for a righteous cause, but she's always been a ruthless monster.

As, of course, are most of the other folks in that series.
She was also raped as a child, willingly ate a still beating horse heart, smothered her husband and impaled those who displeased her and set them out outside the city walls so all could see. But she's a pretty dragon Queen so, Ima name my kid Kaleesi. My husband reminds me she also burned all the Kals alive.

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Heh... there's hope for Atticus, the latest Broadway version seems to be getting good reviews.

IMO if you have to provide a "creative" or "meaningful" name you could always go the middle name route and try to combine with a boring family or community-culture one, as a backup.

Or just own it and go big. Never mind TV or contemporaty novels, name your girl Kali and your boy Temujin. Let them learn what it means on their own sweet time and see if they then find it... motivational
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"Khaleesi" is the title for a wife of a Khal. Sure, one particular Khaleesi was featured in the show, but one could claim it isan't after anyone in particular. Like Tsarina or Queenie.

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She was also raped as a child, willingly ate a still beating horse heart, smothered her husband and impaled those who displeased her and set them out outside the city walls so all could see. But she's a pretty dragon Queen so, Ima name my kid Kaleesi. My husband reminds me she also burned all the Kals alive.
1) She wasn't raped in the book. She was a willing bride, albeit 13 years old, so I can see HBO staying far away from that one.
2) I thought the heart was already dead?
3) Her husband was dead, for all intents and purposes. Call it assisted suicide.
4) They had previously crucified children as she entered the city.
5) They had kidnapped her and threatened to gang rape her because she became Khal after Drogo died instead of retiring gracefully as Khal widows are supposed to do.

I'm not happy with this 180 swerve they did. I'm sure this has been debated in other threads, so I will just say I know of one little girl and one on the way named Arya. Funny...I haven't seen any Sansas.
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You have to feel bad for all those German kids who got named Adolf around 1933. You know, before things turned ugly.
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You have to feel bad for all those German kids who got named Adolf around 1933. You know, before things turned ugly.
I feel sorry for the Uber driver named Osama who picked me up in Seattle a few years ago.
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Or just own it and go big. Never mind TV or contemporaty novels, name your girl Kali and your boy Temujin. Let them learn what it means on their own sweet time and see if they then find it... motivational
Bolding mine.

That is a good one! But then, I have a cat named Atilla. He was named for a cat in a comic strip, but still.
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Just to be clear, does anyone actually know of any real child really named "Daeneris" or "Khaleesi", or are we all just laughing at a hypothetical stupid thing that a hypothetical stupid person might have done?
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Just to be clear, does anyone actually know of any real child really named "Daeneris" or "Khaleesi", or are we all just laughing at a hypothetical stupid thing that a hypothetical stupid person might have done?
Real people.
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"Khaleesi" is the title for a wife of a Khal. Sure, one particular Khaleesi was featured in the show, but one could claim it isan't after anyone in particular. Like Tsarina or Queenie.

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Right it’s basically like calling her queen in a fake language. Queen of a people who’s main activities were rape, pillaging and rape. Best not to look too deep at it.
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I keep thinking back to one of the best history professors I had in college, this devout, dapper little guy who taught World History as a bunch of stories and social movements. To forestall a lot of the outrage people would have in learning of the terrible things done in history, he began the semester by warning us: "Most of the people we're studying went to Hell." Then he went right on teaching us about Caesar and Hammurabi and Charlemagne and the rest.

The fact that Daenerys is going to Hell doesn't mean she's not a great character.

Still not naming my kids after her, though.
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I've heard that "Nimrod" has become something of a popular name for Jewish children in Israel. In the scripture, he's mentioned only as a mighty hunter, warrior and conqueror-king. But in the Talmud and Midrash he's portrayed as a villain who tried on multiple occasions to kill Abra(ha)m and who was ultimately pwned by Abra(ha)m (whose support was G-d).
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I've heard that "Nimrod" has become something of a popular name for Jewish children in Israel. In the scripture, he's mentioned only as a mighty hunter, warrior and conqueror-king. But in the Talmud and Midrash he's portrayed as a villain who tried on multiple occasions to kill Abra(ha)m and who was ultimately pwned by Abra(ha)m (whose support was G-d).
Also, Bugs Bunny used the name rather derisively to mock Elmer Fudd's hunting skills.

Just sayin'.

ETA: I did not know the bit from the Talmud and Midrash, only the 'mighty hunter' bit. Thanks for the enlightenment.

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Just to be clear, does anyone actually know of any real child really named "Daeneris" or "Khaleesi", or are we all just laughing at a hypothetical stupid thing that a hypothetical stupid person might have done?
Not personally. But there's this for Khaleesi. No numbers available for Daenerys or for 2018-2019.
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Many tweens of the 80s named their daughters Madison. At some point in the 90s, it was the 2nd most popular girls name.

My daughter's college roommate named her daughter Clara Belle. She was totally oblivious to the Howdy Doody connection.
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Many tweens of the 80s named their daughters Madison. At some point in the 90s, it was the 2nd most popular girls name.
And.... what?

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My daughter's college roommate named her daughter Clara Belle. She was totally oblivious to the Howdy Doody connection.
A name that randomly used in an obscure show from decades ago, not actually named after the character. Not really very relevant.
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I've heard that "Nimrod" has become something of a popular name for Jewish children in Israel. In the scripture, he's mentioned only as a mighty hunter, warrior and conqueror-king. But in the Talmud and Midrash he's portrayed as a villain who tried on multiple occasions to kill Abra(ha)m and who was ultimately pwned by Abra(ha)m (whose support was G-d).
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Also, Bugs Bunny used the name rather derisively to mock Elmer Fudd's hunting skills.

Just sayin'.

ETA: I did not know the bit from the Talmud and Midrash, only the 'mighty hunter' bit. Thanks for the enlightenment.
Also, didn't Nimrod, according to some accounts, believe himself to be so important that he directed the building of the Tower of Babel so he could be on a one-to-one basis with God only for the Almighty to foil his plan by making everyone start speaking different languages? As a result, the name "Nimrod" became synonymous with "vainglorious fool" thereby adding an additional meaning to Bugs Bunny's insult.
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Honestly, I think Elizabeth Warren having to retract support for Dany is more embarrasing.
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And.... what?



A name that randomly used in an obscure show from decades ago, not actually named after the character. Not really very relevant.
"Madison" means "son of a soldier". It's kinda in the name.

In the movie Splash, Darryl Hannah's character took the name from a street sign, and it was completely played for laughs. Looking at SS naming records there are no records of "Madison" being a female name prior to, IIRC, 1985, meaning people named their daughters after a joke in a movie.
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Many tweens of the 80s named their daughters Madison. At some point in the 90s, it was the 2nd most popular girls name.

My daughter's college roommate named her daughter Clara Belle. She was totally oblivious to the Howdy Doody connection.
At first I read this to mean "back in the 80s, many tween were having babies"

I think I'd be embarrassed to give my kid a name that would be instantly recognizable as having come from a popular movie or whatever. Pets on the other hand . . .
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A name that randomly used in an obscure show from decades ago, not actually named after the character. Not really very relevant.
The Howdy Doody Show was hardly an "obscure show." It was one of the most popular children's shows of its day. Admittedly that day was a while ago now, but Clarabelle the Cow was pretty well known.
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Oh, Clarabelle the Cow was the Howdy Doody character? My thought was "Well, I don't know about Howdy Doody, but my first mental association with the name is a cow".
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Oh, Clarabelle the Cow was the Howdy Doody character? My thought was "Well, I don't know about Howdy Doody, but my first mental association with the name is a cow".
Clarabelle the Cow was Disney. Clarabell the Clown was Howdy Doody.
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Yeah, my bet is anyone under 50 having a DVD box set of Howdy Doody is vanishingly small. I'm 47 and pretty much all I know about it is it was a Kid's show from the 50's and inspired Woody from Toy Story. I've seen some still pictures of it, maybe a clip here and there, but never a full episode. That's more my mom's time, she apparently watched it a lot.
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Clarabelle the Cow was Disney. Clarabell the Clown was Howdy Doody.
Oh! Of course you're right. My mistake. But Howdy Doody and its main characters were definitely not obscure.
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I recently encountered a boy of about 8 years old named Anakin.

Though that doesn't really fit the thread's premise since those parents knew what they were getting.
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I recently encountered a boy of about 8 years old named Anakin.

Though that doesn't really fit the thread's premise since those parents knew what they were getting.
I know someone whose son is named Anakin too. Dad is (naturally) a huge Star Wars fan, and the kid is just fine with his name.
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A few years ago, I started noticing kids named Serenity. Now, it's not a certainty, since there's a long tradition of naming girls after virtues, but they were about the right age to be named after the ship in Firefly.
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A few years ago, I started noticing kids named Serenity. Now, it's not a certainty, since there's a long tradition of naming girls after virtues, but they were about the right age to be named after the ship in Firefly.

The ones named Serenity Now are from a different show.
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Back in my high school (late 80s) there were two brothers who were named Christian and Damien, which I always thought was awesome.

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That is a good one! But then, I have a cat named Atilla. He was named for a cat in a comic strip, but still.
It's a super-popular first name in Hungary, apparently.
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My search of our data base of those once under state supervision shows:

One with the first name of Nimrod.

Also one Atilla and 2 named Attila

3 named Isis (all female)

One Atticus

2 named Draco

But no Anakin, no Tiberius, no Danaerys, no Vlad (but one Vlado).

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It's a super-popular first name in Hungary, apparently.
Yes, it's a completely common name in Hungary. (In 2018, it was the 28th most popular name. In the years 1965-1985, it was the 4th most popular name.) Off the top of my head, I knew at least three Atillas on a personal level, and met many more in passing. Another one that people, or at least English speakers, find a bit surprising is the name Zoltán, which almost sounds, I guess, like the name of a futuristic or fantasy character or something (and this was before Dude, Where's My Car's Zoltan! character.) It's also a very common Hungarian name (the most popular, according the cite above, from 1975-1984, and second most from 1965-1974).

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Right it’s basically like calling her queen in a fake language. Queen of a people who’s main activities were rape, pillaging and rape.
You said "queen" twice.
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*three Attilas. Dammit. Two Ts, one L. It's like Cincinnati. Half the time I want to spell it Cincinatti. Or graffiti/grafitti. I'm otherwise a good speller, but those words always slow me down and I have to double check.
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It's a super-popular first name in Hungary, apparently.
A few years ago I hired a father/son painting company. Both were named Attila (and were Hungarian).
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...no Vlad (but one Vlado).
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And in Turkey too, I am told. I knew one Attila in Berlin in the 80's, he used to make a mean BBQ in the Lausitzer Platz for free in front of his bar. The drinks were not free.
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Not a great optics in the era of #metoo?
No, that's not it at all. Atticus is pretty racist in the sequel, that's the problem.
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You have to feel bad for all those German kids who got named Adolf around 1933. You know, before things turned ugly.
Adolf Marx changed his name to Arthur, but he is better known as Harpo.

What about modern day idiots who name their sons Adolph?
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