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Old 05-19-2019, 12:04 PM
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The “fifth” this, the “fourth” that


Murray the K and Billy Preston have both been called the “fifth Beatle”.

Andre the Giant was billed as the “Eighth Wonder of the World”.

Hoboken NJ has often been called the “Sixth Borough” of New York City.

Other examples of an unofficial “extra” of something, some place, some band team etc ?


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John Cairncross was the Fifth Man in the KGB British spy ring.
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A lot of football teams speak of their fans as being the "twelfth man" on the field that helps the team win via their support.
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Carol Cleveland and Neil Innes have both been referred to as the "seventh Python."
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A lot of football teams speak of their fans as being the "twelfth man" on the field that helps the team win via their support.
To the point that the Seattle Seahawks have retired jersey #12 in recognition of their fans.
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Basketball fans are called the "sixth man", and I believe the Orlando Magic have retired the #6 in their honor.

It was already mentioned that Andre the Giant was called, by the WWF, the "Eighth Wonder of the World". Well, later came Chyna, and she was named the Ninth Wonder of the World.
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A lot of folks have been called The Fifth Beatle. Not just Murray and Billy.

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The term "Eighth Wonder of the World" gets thrown around an awful lot, in fact, and I have no doubt that that is by no means a complete list.
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A lot of folks have been called The Fifth Beatle. Not just Murray and Billy.
I only just learned of Murray the K from a NYTimes crossword puzzle a few weeks ago. It was a "fifth Beatle" clue, and none of the answers I normally associate with the Fifth Beatle (Epstein, Sutcliffe, Martin, Best, Preston, etc.) fit in the space. I have even watched the 8-part Beatles Anthology and somehow either missed him or just completely didn't file him away in my memory banks. I wonder if that's one of those things you would know if you were an American growing up during the Beatles craze vs. a generation afterwards (like me.)
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Some Friends fans debate who deserves the title of "the seventh Friend." The three main candidates are Gunther, Janice, and Mike.
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A group that undermines a larger group is called a Fifth Column, usually in favor of an enemy group or nation. It was claimed that Japanese Americans living in Hawaii helped the Japanese.
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Taco Bell, long a haven for late-night inebriated dining, ran an ad campaign a few years ago, positioning those late-night taco binges as the "fourth meal," after breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
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Newspapers have been called "The Fourth Estate" for 200+ years.


It comes from just before the French Revolution: there were three "estates" in their legislative body: the church, the nobles, and the commoners. Laws required two estates to approve. The power of the newspapers in influencing public opinion led them to be called the Fourth Estate.
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Eighth Day, referring to the creation myth of seven days, and what happened after.
Several uses, but perhaps most notably in Hazel O'Connor's song.
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Tommy Oliver, the Green Ranger, was the "Sixth Ranger" on Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers, and "Sixth Ranger" is now the TV Tropes name for the phenomenon in which someone more powerful joins an established team.
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Newspapers have been called "The Fourth Estate" for 200+ years.

It comes from just before the French Revolution: there were three "estates" in their legislative body: the church, the nobles, and the commoners. Laws required two estates to approve. The power of the newspapers in influencing public opinion led them to be called the Fourth Estate.
While not quite as influential as newspapers, and certainly nowhere near 200+ years old, CBC-TV in Canada has had a news program for years, called The Fifth Estate. It's for televised investigative journalism, and built its name off the traditional Fourth Estate.
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I only just learned of Murray the K from a NYTimes crossword puzzle a few weeks ago. It was a "fifth Beatle" clue, and none of the answers I normally associate with the Fifth Beatle (Epstein, Sutcliffe, Martin, Best, Preston, etc.) fit in the space. I have even watched the 8-part Beatles Anthology and somehow either missed him or just completely didn't file him away in my memory banks. I wonder if that's one of those things you would know if you were an American growing up during the Beatles craze vs. a generation afterwards (like me.)
In the TV film The Rutles: All You Need Is Cash, Bill Murray played the Fifth Rutle, "Bill Murray the K".
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The 12th man in football comes from Texas A&M:

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Gill told the Post that when he got to the sideline, Bible told him, "Boy, it doesn't look like I'm going to have enough players to finish the game. You may have to go in there and stand around for a while."

So Gill ran under the bleachers and put on Weir's uniform. He returned to the sideline, ready to aid the Aggies if needed. He was the only player on the bench for the rest of the game, but never got into the game.
When the Seahawks started using the term in an official way, A&M lodged a protest (or threatened to sue, not sure which). Apparently they had trademarked the term, or at least felt they had the rights. After negotiations, they compromised with A&M taking the rights for college and the Seahawks for the pros.

Other Nth <something> uses in sports are the 19th Green, which is the bar at the golf course clubhouse. Some of them have that at their actual name. The post-game show on some radio broadcasts of football and basketball games are sometimes called the 3rd Half or the 5th Quarter.
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There is a third wheel, a single person doing something with a couple.

I had a good friend in Japan, but whenever he got into a relationship, it would turn into a codependent mess.

We would get together once a month for dinner or drinks and even though they lived and worked together, she couldn’t stand to let him have one night a month with me.

So she would come along and it changed instantly from a couple of guys hanging out together to me as a third wheel.

As far as I could tell, the only thing she liked to talk about was get friends and who was doing what. Since I had never met said friends, didn’t know them and had absolutely no idea who their current boyfriends were and why they were either better or worse then the previous ones, there wasn’t much to contribute to the conversation.

That got old pretty quickly.
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In a James Bond book, Bond has pinned a female baddie (henchwoman?) with a chair; another character makes a joke about Bond inventing the 70th position.


If you don't get the joke, get Rob Gronkowski to explain it.

Well, give you a clue, anyway. You'd probably actually have to explain the joke to him.
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The AA (British equivalent of the AAA), had, until recently, a strapline of 'The Fourth Emergency Service'.
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The AA (British equivalent of the AAA), had, until recently, a strapline of 'The Fourth Emergency Service'.
I'm sure Her Majesty's Coastguard* were delighted to hear that.

* which in UK parlance refers to a search and rescue service for people in distress at sea. It's very different from the US Coast Guard, it doesn't do things like stop boats smuggling drugs.
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The term "Eighth Wonder of the World" gets thrown around an awful lot, in fact, and I have no doubt that that is by no means a complete list.
I saw in a museum the other day a poster for the opening ceremony for the first Tay Bridge in 1878. It was about 2 miles long and would have been amongst the longest bridges in the world at the time.

Weirdly the poster described the bridge as the "9th wonder of the world". I've no idea what they regarded as the 8th wonder (by which I mean I haven't bothered to research) but I suspect that it was something that was far more specific to the 1870s than people realised at the time.
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John Cairncross was the Fifth Man in the KGB British spy ring.
I don't think that quite works here, as the number of spies wasn't regarded as normally finite (as in the Fab Four, the Seven Wonders etc...). I think we were shocked to discover that there were a couple of high level spies, then we dicovered there were four of them, then evidence turned up of a fifth, so it became "OMG, who is the fifth man!?".
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When a pitcher is adept with the glove, announcers will sometimes applaud him for being a "fifth infielder".

I've seen Lake Winnipeg described as the Sixth Great Lake.
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I've heard of "transferred to the [number_of_floors+1]th floor" used as a euphemism for "died" in hospitals.
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The 51st state.

Thought about this for the OP but wasn’t sure. I’m going to guess Puerto Rico and District of Columbia May have been referred to as this.


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In basketball, you would sometimes hear a player referred to as the "sixth man" of a team - i.e. the best player to not be in the regular starting five.

I suggest Newman (!) was the fifth cast member of Seinfeld.
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In basketball, you would sometimes hear a player referred to as the "sixth man" of a team - i.e. the best player to not be in the regular starting five.
In fact, one of the NBA's annual player awards is the Sixth Man of the Year Award.
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I suggest Newman (!) was the fifth cast member of Seinfeld.
Out of 173 episodes:

Ruthie Cohen: 101 episodes.
Newman: 45.

Not even close.

Larry David has 38 voice/acting appearances on the show, co-creator, frequent writer and was the basis for George. Some of his real life experiences were worked into the show. He's the best candidate for 5th cast member.
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This one is super local so it will require some explaining. I used to work for Intel, the big semiconductor company. The numbering system they use to identify their buildings uses a two letter code to identify the campus (for example, SC for Santa Clara, CA, FM for Folsom, CA), and a number for each individual building on that campus. The campus in Folsom, where I worked, had seven buildings, designated FM1 through FM7. Any bar or restaurant in Folsom that becomes a popular after work hangout for Intel employees (the town's largest employer) gets nicknamed FM8, at least among said employees.

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I saw in a museum the other day a poster for the opening ceremony for the first Tay Bridge in 1878. It was about 2 miles long and would have been amongst the longest bridges in the world at the time.

Weirdly the poster described the bridge as the "9th wonder of the world". I've no idea what they regarded as the 8th wonder (by which I mean I haven't bothered to research) but I suspect that it was something that was far more specific to the 1870s than people realised at the time.
Did the poster mention that it collapsed in 1879 after 19 months of official service? There hadn't been any reinforcing for wind.

It was the longest bridge in the world when it was first completed, which would qualify it as a wonder. All 75 people on the train that was crossing it at the time of collapse were killed. The collapse was commemorated by what some people think is one of the worst poems ever written.
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Did the poster mention that it collapsed in 1879 after 19 months of official service? There hadn't been any reinforcing for wind.
The poster didn't, because its creators couldn't see into the future, and if they could it would have put a bit of a dampener on the bridge's opening ceremony!

But the museum was in Dundee, and the poster was part of a display about the disaster, alongside bits of the actual bridge and train.
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I have heard "Love thy neighbor as you would yourself" referred to as the Eleventh Commandment
Much more often you will hear "Thou shalt not get caught" as the 11th commandment.
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The poster didn't, because its creators couldn't see into the future, and if they could it would have put a bit of a dampener on the bridge's opening ceremony!

But the museum was in Dundee, and the poster was part of a display about the disaster, alongside bits of the actual bridge and train.
Sorry, I somehow slid over the opening ceremony part.
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Out of 173 episodes:

Ruthie Cohen: 101 episodes.
Newman: 45.

Not even close.

Larry David has 38 voice/acting appearances on the show, co-creator, frequent writer and was the basis for George. Some of his real life experiences were worked into the show. He's the best candidate for 5th cast member.
Most of Ms Cohen's appearances were as an extra, the cashier in the coffee shop. I am not sure that counts.

As for Larry David, he might have a claim to be the 5th cast member, but I stand by Newman as the fifth character.
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