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So he hung himself. That is probably to the relief of dozens of very rich and powerful men.
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Old 08-10-2019, 08:28 AM
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I'm surprised there are pedophiles who do not choose suicide when caught.
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Old 08-10-2019, 08:32 AM
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So he hung himself. That is probably to the relief of dozens of very rich and powerful men.
Which makes you wonder if he had some help.
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Which makes you wonder if he had some help.
If he needed help, he probably got it.
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Which makes you wonder if he had some help.
Trump had him silenced.


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Old 08-10-2019, 08:42 AM
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So he dies and is now officially innocent of all charges, right? I mean, as far as the law is concerned.

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Old 08-10-2019, 08:46 AM
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So he dies and is now officially innocent of all charges, right? I mean, as far as the law is concerned.

Is that how the law works? Shouldn't the investigation continue into his customers?
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Old 08-10-2019, 09:01 AM
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Hey, wasn't he supposed to be on suicide watch? Don't they take away stuff like belts and shoelaces that can be used to self-harm in those cases?

One does wonder if he had "help"....
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Old 08-10-2019, 09:03 AM
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Hey, wasn't he supposed to be on suicide watch? Don't they take away stuff like belts and shoelaces that can be used to self-harm in those cases?

One does wonder if he had "help"....
At least one Trump staffer has already blamed Hillary.
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Old 08-10-2019, 09:04 AM
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My immediate knee jerk reaction to hearing he killed himself was "no chance he killed himself. That's just what it looks like"

I may have watched too many movies.


But he did have dirt on people who absolutely could have had this done.
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Old 08-10-2019, 09:04 AM
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Hey, wasn't he supposed to be on suicide watch?
I assume someone watched him do it.
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Old 08-10-2019, 09:12 AM
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Trump had him silenced.


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Nice spin-job, doctor.
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Old 08-10-2019, 09:21 AM
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Old 08-10-2019, 09:34 AM
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I assume someone watched him do it.
Right. They didn't say that they had him on suicide stop.
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Old 08-10-2019, 09:43 AM
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America's most high profile prisoner - a guy who may very well have had serious dirt on any number of rich and powerful figures - offs himself while on suicide watch a week after a failed attempt?

Nah. Nuh-uh. I'm not a conspiracy minded guy, but I'm going to need to see some serious evidence that the motherfucker wasn't "helped".
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I'm seeing a FB meme posted by a (former?) Doper that says Clinton had him killed. A far-left friend says Clinton did it. To what end? How does that make sense? Trump is the one who benefits from Epstein's death.
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Old 08-10-2019, 10:12 AM
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Epstein may have had ties to intelligence agencies too (maybe they were using his blackmail abilities for their own purposes).

If so I'm sure they'd know how to get a prison guard to 'let' epstein kill himself using carrots and sticks.

I won't be surprised if the cctv camera stopped working too.
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Old 08-10-2019, 10:20 AM
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If so I'm sure they'd know how to get a prison guard to 'let' epstein kill himself using carrots and sticks.
Except I think he used a sheet or something.
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Old 08-10-2019, 10:28 AM
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I assume someone watched him do it.
I shared this comment with my son and he used it in a youtube comment. He's quite excited about the number of likes and LOLs he's getting in response. I told him to send you a screenshot of half the likes as compensation; it seems only fair.
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I can't wait to hear the explanation for how a suspect of such a high profile case, on suicide watch, manages to kill himself without anybody preventing it from happening.
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Old 08-10-2019, 10:37 AM
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The one thing that prevents me from wholeheartedly believing this was a murder:

I'm no criminologist, but does it make sense for a murderer to try the same method twice (make-it-look-like-a-suicide) after the first method failed? Wouldn't a would-be murderer realize that the authorities would be alerted to that kind of method (as, indeed, Epstein was said to be on suicide watch), and try a different one--poison, perhaps?

Besides, if the first time were a murder attempt, wouldn't Epstein have said something about it before this?

My guess is it was a legitimate suicide, but given that pedophiles are the lowest order of scum in prisons (not just among the guards, but among the prisoners--even evil has standards), the guards just "happened" to be taking a very long break in the hope that Epstein would do the world a favor.
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in the hope that Epstein would do the world a favor.
I don't know about the rest of the world, but this is not a favor to me. Everybody dies at some time or another. Death isn't justice. Facing your accusers and seeing the evidence against you exposed to the public—I would want that before his death.
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I don't know about the rest of the world, but this is not a favor to me. Everybody dies at some time or another. Death isn't justice. Facing your accusers and seeing the evidence against you exposed to the public—I would want that before his death.
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I don't know about the rest of the world, but this is not a favor to me. Everybody dies at some time or another. Death isn't justice. Facing your accusers and seeing the evidence against you exposed to the public—I would want that before his death.
Me too.
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I can't say how similar my thought processes are to your typical jail guard's but I would want him to go through the humiliation of a trial, get convicted, then sent to prison where he has to spend years in isolation for fear of being offed as a short eye.
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Old 08-10-2019, 11:26 AM
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I dunno, I was a little worried the double jeopardy defense might have legs, and I'm happy he's no longer with us.
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Old 08-10-2019, 11:26 AM
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And with his death, we've also lost any information he might have shared about other pedophile monsters, and so there are probably some of them who will walk free as a result.
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Old 08-10-2019, 11:31 AM
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If you are surprised at the Jeffrey Epstein suicide this morning...

Imagine how he must have felt.
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I’m not one who typically engages in conspiracy thinking but this is fishy.
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Old 08-10-2019, 11:53 AM
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Barring any existing will to the contrary, his brother, who is the sole living immediate relative, will likely inherit the estate and have to deal with all the lawsuits that are certain to follow Epstein's death.
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Have we seen the body? Do we know he's really dead?
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I'm not a conspiracy minded guy, but I'm going to need to see some serious evidence that the motherfucker wasn't "helped".
How do you prove that something didn't happen? You could have 24hrs footage of him alone in his cell and then killing himself but maybe maybe he was given the instructions on how to make a rope out of cell materials and told his family would be tortured if he didn't do it!

I was reading some older articles and it sounds as though (a) "Suicide watch" is a broad spectrum between someone checking on you every half hour to being strapped to a plastic mattress naked with someone actively staring at you 24hrs a day and (b) suicides while on suicide watch aren't all that rare to assume that someone had to have assistance. I'd need to hear a lot more details about the watch itself and how he died before giving myself over to assuming that Clinton/Trump baked him a cake with a rope in it.

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Man, the CT's are going nuts today. Surprised to see so much of it here.

Epstein' s power and influence finally failed him. He was exposed as a pedophile and was facing the rest of his life doing hard time. People have chosen suicide when faced with far less dire circumstances.

I bitch about this board sometimes, but I do generally admire the skeptical attitude and evidence based reasoning that goes on here. Let's not lose sight of that.
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My guess is it was a legitimate suicide, but given that pedophiles are the lowest order of scum in prisons (not just among the guards, but among the prisoners--even evil has standards), the guards just "happened" to be taking a very long break in the hope that Epstein would do the world a favor.
My thought is that if there was any sort of outside help, it consisted of bribing guards to be conveniently inattentive if he should attempt suicide again.
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Have we seen the body? Do we know he's really dead?
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I read he was no longer on suicide watch.
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My thought is that if there was any sort of outside help, it consisted of bribing guards to be conveniently inattentive if he should attempt suicide again.
Yeah, follow the money.

Some of the workers on his estate seem to have come forward, so they might be able to pursue this further. But it's damn convenient for the rich sickos.
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I bitch about this board sometimes, but I do generally admire the skeptical attitude and evidence based reasoning that goes on here. Let's not lose sight of that.
FWIW, my rhetorical style tends to be hyperbolic -- and it's easy to keep a straight face on a message board.
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Imagine how he must have felt.
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And with his death, we've also lost any information he might have shared about other pedophile monsters, and so there are probably some of them who will walk free as a result.
Actually this is not entirely correct.

Epstein's death does in fact end the criminal complaint against him. However, it doesn't end the civil case against his estate. Cold comfort, but there are fat pickings to be had for his victims.

Even more interesting, Epstein's death effectively ends any possible 4th amendment challenge to search warrants executed against him. Nobody else has any standing to challenge.

True, Epstein can no longer be a star witness against anybody, but at least the state can paw through his $80 million house for dirt on whoever they want, and then sell it for victim compensation. That's something.
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Jeffrey lead such a rich and privileged life. I'm sure the specter of prison had to be overwhelming. His guilt so blatant that a cadre of high dollar lawyers couldn't help.

A quick death is far better than decades in prison.

Jeffrey made the right decision for himself and any remaining family. A trial would have been drawn out and sensationalized. Vulgar entertainment for the masses and profit for the mass media.

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Imagine how he must have felt.
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I read he was no longer on suicide watch.
Well, not anymore.
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Man, the CT's are going nuts today. Surprised to see so much of it here... People have chosen suicide when faced with far less dire circumstances.
Do you find it so surprising?

Epstein had dirt on powerful people. He had reason to commit suicide (as you said). He even attempted suicide last week. Yet he was taken off suicide watch, whereupon he then committed suicide. The circumstantial evidence is pretty strong.

I don't think anybody directly killed him. But it wouldn't take much to have the guards take him off suicide watch and tell him he may as well do it because he's not getting any outside help.
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Do you find it so surprising?

Epstein had dirt on powerful people. He had reason to commit suicide (as you said). He even attempted suicide last week. Yet he was taken off suicide watch, whereupon he then committed suicide. The circumstantial evidence is pretty strong.

I don't think anybody directly killed him. But it wouldn't take much to have the guards take him off suicide watch and tell him he may as well do it because he's not getting any outside help.
People kill themselves in prison all the time. Plenty of people aren't on suicide watch who should be.

I'm not saying your theory is impossible, I just want to see some evidence for it.
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Epstein had dirt on powerful people. He had reason to commit suicide (as you said). He even attempted suicide last week. Yet he was taken off suicide watch, whereupon he then committed suicide.
Where'd he get the gun and the single bullet?

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Jeffrey lead such a rich and privileged life. I'm sure the specter of prison had to be overwhelming.
If by "specter" you mean "mural"...
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