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Old 01-16-2020, 04:15 PM
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The Artform You Could Live Without


I went to see a musical yesterday. (Long story. The Book Of Mormon, as it happens.) At one point in the first half there was a Very Musical Moment: all the boys onstage NOW, and tapdance like your life depends on it! And I thought……Nice set. I can’t see the drummer – I wonder how far under the stage the orchestra pit goes? That woman three rows in front is very tall. Do I need a piss?

Now, I don’t hate tap. I mean, how could you? But I could live without it. If it went away for ever, I wouldn’t even notice it had gone. So that’s what this thread is about – and feel free to interpret “artform” as widely as you like. And hey, if there’s an artform that you really hate – if you loathe, say, ironing plastic beads* – well OK, go ahead and vent about that too; but that’s kind of a sidebar to this thread.

So if I woke up tomorrow and someone told me, it’s over, that’s it, tapdancing is gone for ever – I wouldn’t rejoice. Not really. I’d just say fine, and then wonder about breakfast. It’s the artform I could live without.

What’s yours?

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* - You didn’t know it was a thing? Me either, until I ended up in a repurposed Copenhagen church where young adults (!) were doing it (even longer story). So it is a thing. But it shouldn’t be.
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Old 01-16-2020, 04:33 PM
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I really like tapdancing when it happens to appear before me, but I never seek it out, so like you I could probably live without it. I do like it though, and I'm always pleasantly surprised when it pops up in movies (I've never seen a person tap dance live).

Personally, I frequently actively dislike, and at best merely tolerate, slam poetry, so that's my choice.
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I thought I'd take on some larger prey just for conversation's sake.

I like to think of myself as a guy who likes his culture, but if opera disappeared tomorrow, I don't think I'd even notice. It's one of those things (like ballet or poetry) that I pay lip service to as one of the high arts, but I never really put in any effort towards appreciating it. As many of you will say, my bad.
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if you loathe, say, ironing plastic beads...
I was just looking at those in a store, fantasizing about doing a huge mural with those beads. Might have to rent a flamethrower, an iron would take too long. My other dream mural would be a wall-sized LiteBrite.

As to the OP, for me, it'd be couples figure skating. Oh, I'll watch it during the Olympics, but meh...

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But I'll tell you what we can't live without...

"Next big thing? Whaling songs. No more country music, no more classical music. Fuhgettit, fuhgettit, fuhgettit. Hello, no more classical music at this station, just whaling songs... No more rock and roll, in the dumper. Whaling songs."


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Heinlein invented the "artform" I could do without in PODKAYNE OF MARS: full video+sound holographic adverts beamed at you wherever you are. But that's inescapable. So I'll nominate musical greeting cards. And Billy Fish.
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I appreciate the skill necessary for opera and ballet, but I cannot even pretend to be interested. They could disappear tomorrow and I wouldn't care.
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I thought I'd take on some larger prey just for conversation's sake.

I like to think of myself as a guy who likes his culture, but if opera disappeared tomorrow, I don't think I'd even notice. It's one of those things (like ballet or poetry) that I pay lip service to as one of the high arts, but I never really put in any effort towards appreciating it. As many of you will say, my bad.
Opera is where, when they stab a guy, instead of dying, he sings about it.

(I forget who said it.)
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I appreciate the skill necessary for opera and ballet, but I cannot even pretend to be interested. They could disappear tomorrow and I wouldn't care.
Oddly, my ten year old son just fell in love with the opera “Akhnaten”, by Philip Glass. He plays it over and over. Very surprising.
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Let me be the one to drop in the requisite "old white guy whose musical tastes atrophied somewhere in the mid-70s" suggestion of rap/hip-hop/whatever the hell it is these days that the cretin in the chopped Toyota next to me at the stoplight is blaring at a volume that would sterilized frogs at 50 meters.

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Old 01-16-2020, 05:49 PM
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Old 01-16-2020, 05:58 PM
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Old 01-16-2020, 06:04 PM
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And Billy Fish.
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I'm going to be contrarian and say Hama beads are great fun, but you really need a convenient five-year-old with you for camouflage purposes.

That thing where people dress themselves in all-over silver and busk as pretend-robots was kind of fun while it lasted. But I'm fine with its window being brief.
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Old 01-16-2020, 06:24 PM
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Old 01-16-2020, 06:57 PM
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Abstract painting and sculpture. There are a few pieces that I appreciate on an abstract intellectual level, but emotionally, they leave me cold.

Free verse. You know the line, "90% of everything is drek"? Well, with free verse, it's more like 99.999%. Purple prose is just as good, and much less pretentious.
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There are probably quite a few, but two art forms that I'd probably be just as happy without are

1. dance in general and ballet in particular (I'd keep the music; just don't make me watch it), and

2. rap/hip-hop.

If you enjoy these things, more power to you. There's nothing inherently wrong with them, and great artistic merit in the best of them. They just don't do it for me.
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Like regular juggling is so intellectual? I say that as someone who can juggle a little. It's all 'hey look at this/these balls! Watch them move!'

I could probably live without free verse, although blank verse can be nice. Not that I run across much free verse in an average year.

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Beat me to it. Any sportsball type game, really.
Sports are Artforms? I don't agree. At all.

Adult coloring books are trying to be artforms, though, Beckdawrek; trying and failing.
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Oddly, my ten year old son just fell in love with the opera “Akhnaten”, by Philip Glass. He plays it over and over. Very surprising.
Huh. I was all set to say opera, too--I've given it the old college try and just don't care for it--but I too went through an Akhnaten phase. The Funeral of Amenhotep III from it still stirs me; I imagine an army of dwarves marching into underground battle every time I hear it.
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Several forms of dance — modern dance, ballet

Visual art — abstract Impressionism, especially of the Jackson Pollock Or Gerhard Richter type.

Music — weird boring stuff like silence or atonal stuff or stuff without melodies, avant-garde jazz

Performance art that isn’t the performance of of one or more arts like drama or music or whatever

Computer-rendered animation or illustration - I’m happy with just things that people have to make with their own hands
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Beat me to it. Any sportsball type game, really.
I'm not a sports fan, but I've become a fan of going to the local pub and soaking up the energy of dozens of excited sportsball fanatics hootin' an' hollerin' whenever a good play is made. Oh, and they have a great Farmhouse Ale on tap, and they don't realize what a good single malt should cost...

Took a similarly-leaning friend, and we were shouting along, yelling things like "Annnd, he sported the ball!" "Better than the gentlemen sporting the opposite colors!" "You mean the colors that aren't even a compelling split complementary?" "Oh, look, the sportsball is close to our end of the lawn! Can it get any more exciting?" "I'd contend that's a definite negative there..."
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Let me be the one to drop in the requisite "old white guy whose musical tastes atrophied somewhere in the mid-70s" suggestion of rap/hip-hop/whatever the hell it is these days that the cretin in the chopped Toyota next to me at the stoplight is blaring at a volume that would sterilized frogs at 50 meters.

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And pre-Baroque classical music, especially played on "original" instruments. There's a local concert advertised as 13th century songs. You couldn't pay me to hear that.

And BTW, I like tap dancing (have done it myself), ballet and opera (but NOT Philip Glass).
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Let me be the one to drop in the requisite "old white guy whose musical tastes atrophied somewhere in the mid-70s" suggestion of rap/hip-hop/whatever the hell it is these days that the cretin in the chopped Toyota next to me at the stoplight is blaring at a volume that would sterilized frogs at 50 meters.

Gone tomorrow? Where do I sign?
You know, back when I was about 15 and rap was gaining popularity, I felt the same way. Now that I'm older, I feel exactly the same. With the exception of a handful of pieces that incorporate some rap (Blondie's, "Rapture" and Billy Idol's, "Eyes Without A Face") and one or two more rap-intensive pieces (Massive Attack's, "I Against I"), I would not miss it. That's about the extent of my interest in it.

You'd think that, being that age, it would become my thing. Not so much.

Let me tag on here, "Beatboxing." You're making farting noises. Stop it.
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Ballet works as my answer (picking a "major" art form and not a niche thing). There's music genres I could do without but I think they all touch songs I do like here or there whereas ballet I don't think I'd miss at all.
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I invented a word for people like that: Macramísts. (From people who practice macramé, of course)
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Arts I could live without? too many to name

Arts I would very much prefer to live without?
Rap/Hiphop
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Not sure why my choices are particularly worthy of comment. Those are fairly common targets of distastse.
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I do believe the OP was meant to include artforms **outside** of Arkansas.
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I'm not a sports fan, but I've become a fan of going to the local pub and soaking up the energy of dozens of excited sportsball fanatics hootin' an' hollerin' whenever a good play is made. Oh, and they have a great Farmhouse Ale on tap, and they don't realize what a good single malt should cost...

Took a similarly-leaning friend, and we were shouting along, yelling things like "Annnd, he sported the ball!" "Better than the gentlemen sporting the opposite colors!" "You mean the colors that aren't even a compelling split complementary?" "Oh, look, the sportsball is close to our end of the lawn! Can it get any more exciting?" "I'd contend that's a definite negative there..."
This reminds me of the time I attended a party a friend threw to watch the series finale of "Melrose Place", even though I'd never seen a single episode of the series. I was spewing a lot of: "How could she?!"; "He was always like a son to me!"; "She's too good for him!"

I had a great time....

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The current trend of hyper-realistic drawings (not from life, just basically copying a photo much larger with pens or pencils).

Yay, you've painstakingly duplicated a photograph, just like my desktop printer does. Well done, you.
In the same vein, people who literally make money by drawing WHAT IF DISNEY PRINCESSES WERE LIVING IN MODERN TIMES articles for BuzzFeed or WHAT IF ANIME CHARACTERS WERE DRAWN LIKE WESTERN CHARACTERS for Kotaku. Basically if your entire art gimmick is taking already existing characters and then just drawing them in a different style/scenario and pretending it's deep.

Also more to your point, all those Patreon artists who draw anime/video game characters "realistically" and thus they lose all their style/uniqueness.
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