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Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash.


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Kobe was traveling with at least 3 other people in his private helicopter when it went down. A fire broke out. Emergency personnel responded, but nobody on board survived. 5 people are confirmed dead. We're told Vanessa Bryant was not among those on board.

The cause of the crash is under investigation.
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Just saw this on Twitter. Ugh. Way too soon
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Kobe Bryant Dead in Helicopter Crash


TMZ is reporting that Kobe and 4 others died when his personal helicopter crashed in Calabasas

https://www.tmz.com/2020/01/26/kobe-...-in-calabasas/

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I'm hearing this too. Very tragic and sad.
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Old 01-26-2020, 03:06 PM
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Oh man. So sad.

RIP Kobe.
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Wow I'm not that much of a sports fan but I did like Kobe. I'm also shocked to realize how young he was, he's been famous so long I guess I assumed he was older by now.
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Holy sh*t. This is a shock. I think he still has young kids. I hold out a small hope that this is one of those celebrity rumors that circulates.
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CNN is reporting it too.
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ESPN is reporting this, too.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...licopter-crash

ABC is also reporting that Kobe's four daughters were aboard the helicopter.

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This is going to be even more imprinted on people's memory than the breaking news of Michael Jackson's death eleven years ago. Kobe was a huge international icon. He probably had 300 million fans in China alone.
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I'm seeing reports that Rick Fox was onboard.
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Now this is a damn shame. You donít have to be tall to be a giant among men. But it makes for thrilling basketball. How strange for this to happen within 24 hours of James accomplishment. And how sad for all those who value Bryantís contributions and leadership.
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Wow I'm not that much of a sports fan but I did like Kobe. I'm also shocked to realize how young he was, he's been famous so long I guess I assumed he was older by now.
He entered the NBA right from high school, so you’ve heard of him since he was 18.

I’m hearing on the news that Kobe was known to get around California in a helicopter. I took some flight lessons for a time from airplane pilots; they all were wary of helicopters, since you have limited options if something goes wrong in the air (unlike a plane, a copter can’t glide).

I believe his wife just had a new baby.

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ABC News said his four kids were on board.
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Earlier thread in the Game Room:

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Kobe was a huge international icon. He probably had 300 million fans in China alone.
...and much of his childhood was spent in Italy.

No doubt Phil Jackson will have some deep, insightful comments on his life and passing, at some point. No snark intended; I mean that seriously, based on a book Jackson wrote.

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Reminds me of Colin Mcrae. So sad.
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ABC News said his four kids were on board.
I can’t find any credible reports besides a snippet from a broadcast. In fact, most reports are saying that neither his wife nor any of his daughters were on it.
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I am also wondering about who else was on board. When Colin Mcrae died the same way, I think it was his two sons with him as well, which magnified the tragedy.
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ABC News says "There were no survivors in the crash around 10 a.m. local time Sunday, fire officials said in a press conference. None of the other victims have been identified," at this point.
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Shoot. TMZ is reporting his daughter is also dead.
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As the shock wears off


Goddammit

Goddammit

GODDAMMIT!
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Just an awful day. Canít help but think about his wife and other daughters. Just devastating
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Shoot. TMZ is reporting his daughter is also dead.
One of his four daughters, Kobe and the pilot. Two others remain unidentified. That daughter, Gigi, was 13 years old and very good basketball player. They were on their way to a practice facility.

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He entered the NBA right from high school, so youíve heard of him since he was 18.

Iím hearing on the news that Kobe was known to get around California in a helicopter. I took some flight lessons for a time from airplane pilots; they all were wary of helicopters, since you have limited options if something goes wrong in the air (unlike a plane, a copter canít glide).

I believe his wife just had a new baby.
Not to hijack the thread, but as a former Army helicopter pilot, I can assure you that autorotations give a nice soft landing. The problem as you stated is helicopters don't glide for long distances and are usually flown fairly low so it limits your choice of landing areas. On a joint USAF exercise at Ft Bliss we had A7 pilot loose his engine at 20,000 ft. thought the desert looks flat and thought he would ride it in. Got to 100 ft realized hitting all the 5 ft dunes at over 100mph forward speed would not be good so he punched out. We routinely autorotated to the ground (for training) and jus landed between the dunes with no forward air speed.
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Kobe, and his daughter.

Man, that's just gotta be pure hell for his family.
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Not to hijack the thread, but as a former Army helicopter pilot, I can assure you that autorotations give a nice soft landing. The problem as you stated is helicopters don't glide for long distances and are usually flown fairly low so it limits your choice of landing areas. On a joint USAF exercise at Ft Bliss we had A7 pilot loose his engine at 20,000 ft. thought the desert looks flat and thought he would ride it in. Got to 100 ft realized hitting all the 5 ft dunes at over 100mph forward speed would not be good so he punched out. We routinely autorotated to the ground (for training) and jus landed between the dunes with no forward air speed.
This isn't a hijack at all. Is there enough information for your to give an educated speculation on what happened?
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If I may also semi-hijack briefly, how much more dangerous are helicopters than fixed-wing airplanes, statistically? Are there stats on how many helicopters crash on a per flight basis compared to the fixed wings? (i.e., 1 fatal crash out of 100,000 flights, etc.)
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This isn't a hijack at all. Is there enough information for your to give an educated speculation on what happened?
How thorough a pre flight mechanical check is done on a helicopter before each take off?
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This isn't a hijack at all. Is there enough information for your to give an educated speculation on what happened?
How thorough a pre flight mechanical check is done on a helicopter before each take off? I bet the mechanic is going to have to go through some heavy duty therapy.
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How thorough a pre flight mechanical check is done on a helicopter before each take off?
Very thorough (if the pilot is worthy of the title).
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Scene of the crash:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz9Fp2uWz9g

Foggy conditions reported.

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Kobe, his 13-year-old daughter, and three other people.

And he's only first eligible for the Hall of Fame this year. That's how recently he retired.

I have no words.
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I hope the crash killed them at once, and that it wasn't flames burning them alive.
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Foggy conditions reported.
Foggy and low ceilings. Local pilots looking at the radar/ads-b track saw the helicopter was accelerating in a descending left-hand turn when it hit the mountainside. Immediately spatial disorientation comes to mind but thatís just a thought based on a lot of initial information.
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Anyone who can play like Kobe is both.
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Holy sh*t. This is a shock. I think he still has young kids. I hold out a small hope that this is one of those celebrity rumors that circulates.
And one of them, 13-year-old Gianna, also died in the crash.

RIP, all of you.
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Anyone who can play like Kobe is both.
He won an Academy Award for the best animated short in 2018 for Dear Basketball, so I'd say that qualifies him as an artist, too.
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I just heard that there were 9 total fatalities. Jeezus.
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Not to hijack the thread, but as a former Army helicopter pilot, I can assure you that autorotations give a nice soft landing. The problem as you stated is helicopters don't glide for long distances and are usually flown fairly low so it limits your choice of landing areas. On a joint USAF exercise at Ft Bliss we had A7 pilot loose his engine at 20,000 ft. thought the desert looks flat and thought he would ride it in. Got to 100 ft realized hitting all the 5 ft dunes at over 100mph forward speed would not be good so he punched out. We routinely autorotated to the ground (for training) and jus landed between the dunes with no forward air speed.
Thank you for posting this. I had no idea this existed and am really realizing how ignorant I am of helicopters.

I wonder what happened here.

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I just heard that there were 9 total fatalities. Jeezus.
Yikes, where did you hear that? I'm hearing 5.
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Yikes, where did you hear that? I'm hearing 5.
LA Sheriff's press conference just a few minutes ago. They are not releasing any names until the medical examiner confirms identities and they notify the families.
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Yikes, where did you hear that? I'm hearing 5.
Apparently the LA sheriff reported flight manifest was pilot + eight. They're holding names until next of kin notifications.
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Yikes, where did you hear that? I'm hearing 5.
The sheriff, at a press conference (about ten minutes ago), said there were nine on the manifest.

ETA: Double spanked.

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If I may also semi-hijack briefly, how much more dangerous are helicopters than fixed-wing airplanes, statistically? Are there stats on how many helicopters crash on a per flight basis compared to the fixed wings? (i.e., 1 fatal crash out of 100,000 flights, etc.)
Trying my best to compare apples to apples, or at least to fruit, helicopters are safer on a fatal accident per flight hour rate than general aviation as a whole. I was looking at this study on helicopter accidents, which used the NTSB dataset from 2005 to 2015, and this statement from FlightSafety International on GA fatal accident rates. The first paper found a 0.7 fatal accident per 100,000 helicopter flight hours rate. The 2018 GA fatality rate was 1.029 per 100,000 flight hours.

I'm very surprised by those figures. Your guess was really close.

As to the accident, if it was weather related, CFIT, this pilot wasn't the first helicopter pilot to be killed by inadvertent flight into IMC, and s/he won't be the last. Those of you who are helicopter pilots, my impression is that IFR certification among your ranks is a lot less prevalent than in fixed wing GA. Would a professional pilot of a Sikorsky S-76 typically be IFR certified?
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