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Old 05-18-2020, 05:04 PM
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Trump Claims to be Taking Hydroxychloroquine


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Donald Trump revealed Monday he is taking hydroxychloroquine, a malaria drug he has pushed for weeks as a treatment for coronavirus -- even though he has tested negative and federal health agencies have warned of serious negative side effects

"I take it," he told reporters. "All I can tell you is, so far, I feel okay."

The president said he has taken only an initial dose. "It seems to have an impact," he said. "Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. ... You're not going to get sick and die."

Mr Trump said he has taken the drug for "about a week and a half now," adding: "I take a pill everyday" and has had "zero symptoms."
How could he have gotten a prescription? Isnt it unethical for an MD to write a prescription for a drug a patient doesnt need?

Trump said he has only 'taken an initial dose' but then that he has been taking it for 'about a week and a half'.

Could Trump be lying (not for any political reason but because he has a narcissistic need to be at the center of everything)?

If he is telling the truth is he putting his life at risk?

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Could Trump be lying (not for any political reason but because he has a narcissistic need to be at the center of everything)?

If he is telling the truth is he putting his life at risk?
Since I can't see this not devolving into further criticism of Trump, let's move this to IMHO.

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Trump said he has only 'taken an initial dose' but then that he has been taking it for 'about a week and a half'.
I can't find the complete transcript, but from other articles I think he said he took an initial dose of azithromycin, and is taking daily doses of hydroxychloroquine. The timing seems to coincide with his valet testing positive.
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...Could Trump be lying (not for any political reason but because he has a narcissistic need to be at the center of everything)?
My guess is that he's lying, not for a political reason, but for a financial one. He or someone in his family owns a chunk of the company (I'm betting) and when his followers all flock to beg their doctors for it and/or the stock goes up, he'll make a bundle. He wants to make as much $$ as he can while he's still in office.

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How could he have gotten a prescription? Isnt it unethical for an MD to write a prescription for a drug a patient doesnt need?
Considering his doctor (current? previous?) gave him, not just a clean bill of health, but the cleanest bill of health of all the presidents ever, I can't imagine it's much of a stretch for him to get a doctor to write him a script for whatever he wants.
And, let's keep in mind, it's also entirely possible he's not taking it but is just lying about taking it.

Having said that, I assume he's taking it so if never catches covid19, he can claim that's why he never got it. What's his plan if he does test positive (especially if he gets stick enough)? Did he not think that far out or does he have some excuse ready to go about why it didn't work for him?
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He may very well just be lying. But whether he’s lying or not, I think he wants to “get in the last word” on HCQ. He told everyone it was a game changer, and now he has to be right by taking it and presumably not catching the virus and not exhibiting any side effects of the medication. Then he’s proven right! Blech.

Never mind that either he’s probably not even taking it or taking a low dose that would produce fewer side effects. Plus he’s got access to way better health care than most of the country so if he did have a problem he’d have all kinds of personalized resuscitative care with a whole ICU team just for him.
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Oh FFS, the Random-Word-Generator-In-Chief is just generating random words as he always does. I'm not sure he even has the mental capacity for guile & hence lies. He just jabbers.
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This is a guy who drew a storm path over Alabama with a sharpie when NOAA contradicted him.
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This is a guy who drew a storm path over Alabama with a sharpie when NOAA contradicted him.
this.
he didn't even have some flunky on his staff clean it up he just left the original ink on there.
I think there is a very good chance he is lying. What has he got to lose?
This is the same man who tells people to wear masks "if it feels right for you" but who doesn't wear one in public or around other people and who is essentially cheering on those Americans who refuse to wear masks in the middle of a pandemic.
Also there is something in that tic tac comment .....
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Oh FFS, the Random-Word-Generator-In-Chief is just generating random words as he always does. I'm not sure he even has the mental capacity for guile & hence lies. He just jabbers.
Yeah, he’s not even a good bullshitter; that would take more talent that he has demonstrated in any part of his career of hawking frozen steaks, offering shitty real estate investment advice, and running waterfront casinos into bankruptcy. He lies the same way that a three-year-old deceives, so obviously and transparently that he isn’t even shamed when caught in the lie. Maybe he is taking “the hydroxy”, or maybe he is taking Tic-Tacs, or maybe he is just lying because that is what some random firing of a synapse caused him to do in the moment; who knows and more importantly, who cares? In paying Trump any attention whatsoever the professional media is just given voice and some measure of credence to his spastic nonsense, which CNN pundits will no doubt feast upon for the next few days until he tweets out some insult about Amal Clooney or mistypes hamburger as “harmbinger” and people trying to figure out if he is the end of the world or just he’s just hungry.

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It's an old drug with an expired patent. I find it hard to imagine anyone is going to make a killing from it.
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I feel the likeliest explanation is that Trump can never admit he was wrong. He said Hydroxychloroquine is the cure for Covid 19 and now he will never back down from that. This is just another Sharpie moment for him.

As to whether he's actually taking it, he probably isn't.
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Is this a tacit admission that he has tested positive for Covid-19? As far as I recall, those shilling for hydroxychloroquine touted it as a treatment for the condition, not as a prophylactic against contracting it. If so, if Trump is taking it, it follows that either (a) he had Covid-19, or (b) he is as big an idiot as his worst detractors say he is.
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I feel the likeliest explanation is that Trump can never admit he was wrong. He said Hydroxychloroquine
The fact that he pronounced it correctly and each time he says it, he pauses for a second and makes sure to enunciate the word is what bugs me. He doesn't typically make it through any type type of speaking engagement without tripping over a few words. How, or rather why, is he getting this one right every time?

And, I'm not looking for counterexamples, I'm sure he's tripped over this word, but he seems to get it right most of the time.

Maybe it's not that he's being paid by a drug company to push their meds, but rather he latched onto his one in hopes that if it does turn out to be the miracle cure, he can ride that into the next election, claiming that he came up with the cure and he promoted it even when everyone told him he was wrong.
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If a doctor prescribed it, that's malpractice. I think he's lying.
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Is this a tacit admission that he has tested positive for Covid-19?
As I recall, they were testing it in last-hope situations, at about ventilator stage. It is not a prophylactic medicine and can be damaging to a hamberder-stressed heart.

It is possible that the doctor is giving it to him under threat of being fired. More likely, though, it is some other thing. The rumor I heard is that the Slovenian paid the doctor to give him the blue pill in excessive doses in order to destroy his ability to further molest her – and to kill the talk once and for all that he fucks pigs.
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Trump is a lying fucking con man. The conservatives I know, the ones with the Tump stickers and Trump shirts, love to say "hydroxychloroquine" as a testament to the fact that they know big words.

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My guess is that he's lying, not for a political reason, but for a financial one. He or someone in his family owns a chunk of the company (I'm betting) and when his followers all flock to beg their doctors for it and/or the stock goes up, he'll make a bundle. He wants to make as much $$ as he can while he's still in office.
Do the Russians own a company that makes Hydroxychloroquine?
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It is off-patent, so anyone can crank the stuff out.
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Hydroxychloroquine can cause an encyclopedic catalog of weird side effects (see this lengthy list from Mayo Clinic) including bizarre neurological, psychological, and psychiatric side effects. Here are just a few from the list:
  • feeling that others are watching you or controlling your behavior
  • feeling that others can hear your thoughts
  • feeling, seeing, or hearing things that are not there
  • severe mood or mental changes
  • sticking out of the tongue
  • unusual behavior
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If a doctor prescribed it, that's malpractice. I think he's lying.
And yet... When Trump started pushing this stuff (or maybe a little before?) there was that rush of panic buying, and we all read those stories that legitimate patients who really needed the stuff were starting to have a hard time finding it. But this is a prescription-only drug (in the United States).

So that means whole bunches of people were asking their doctors for it, and whole bunches of doctors were (and I suppose still are) prescribing it for their patients just for the asking. Whole lotta malpractice going on there.
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I feel the likeliest explanation is that Trump can never admit he was wrong. He said Hydroxychloroquine is the cure for Covid 19 and now he will never back down from that. This is just another Sharpie moment for him.

As to whether he's actually taking it, he probably isn't.
This is the most likely explanation. Who knows if he's actually taking it or not, but he's saying he is in some kind of attempt to prove he's always been right about it.

I'd be willing to bet that if he avoids catching COVID-19, he'll credit hydroxychloroquine with that in a further attempt to show that he's been right all along.
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Hydroxychloroquine can cause an encyclopedic catalog of weird side effects (see this lengthy list from Mayo Clinic) including bizarre neurological, psychological, and psychiatric side effects. Here are just a few from the list:
  • feeling that others are watching you or controlling your behavior
  • feeling that others can hear your thoughts
  • feeling, seeing, or hearing things that are not there
  • severe mood or mental changes
  • sticking out of the tongue
  • unusual behavior
But how will we know?
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I've been to many, many Doctors my whole life. I've never been able to convince any of them to prescribe a drug I had researched and just knew I needed.
But I never had a doctor in my back pocket. That Doctor who lied through his teeth about Trumps health a couple of years ago seems unscrupulous enough to either give him the drug or lie and say he did.

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He made a press release. It's the same Doctor. He prescribed it.
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If he is actually taking the stuff (and I have no reason to believe that fucking liar isn't lying again) I'd have to question the ethics of a doctor who would prescribe it to someone who is morbidly obese (243 pounds, my ass) and who has high LDL cholesterol.
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My guess is that he's lying, not for a political reason, but for a financial one. He or someone in his family owns a chunk of the company (I'm betting) and when his followers all flock to beg their doctors for it and/or the stock goes up, he'll make a bundle. He wants to make as much $$ as he can while he's still in office.

No comment.

Ah, nope: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tr...xychloroquine/
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Traitor Trump (R - Impeached) should be getting Lysol injections and UV enemas. Just in case.
He definitely blows smoke up our butts on a daily basis.

Heck, that man could say water was wet and I wouldn't believe him.
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You don’t need a patent to make a killing on a drug. Just ask Martin Shkreli.

All you need is a manufacturing process and FDA approval. It’s going to take any potential competitor time and expense to get those, regardless of the absence of patent rights.
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I thought I heard him calling it "Hydroxy" on television.

Maybe his doctor is giving him Hydroxycut and he doesn't know the difference.
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Maybe he's eating those fake Oreos, Hydrox cookies.
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Yeah, he’s not even a good bullshitter; that would take more talent that he has demonstrated in any part of his career of hawking frozen steaks, offering shitty real estate investment advice, and running waterfront casinos into bankruptcy.
No, he is a great bullshitter. It's the one thing he's undeniably good at. If he weren't one, he would have faced consequences for all his failures. He hasn't.
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I'm usually the one on this board defending Trump, but this is inexcusable. It is extraordinarily irresponsible for him to be taking and/or announcing that he is taking this medication.
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No, he is a great bullshitter. It's the one thing he's undeniably good at. If he weren't one, he would have faced consequences for all his failures. He hasn't.
He'd deserve the credit if he had been responsible for avoiding the consequences. But his usual pattern is to wander into the middle of a disaster created by his own incompetence and then sit there until somebody else rescues him. His rescuers have run from Fred Trump who kept giving Donald money every time he blew a fortune to Mitch McConnell who kept Trump in office when he was impeached.
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After he said this, the White House doctor scrambled to put out a letter that IMO raises more questions that it answers.

The main paragraph says this: "After numerous discussions he and I had regarding the evidence for and against the use of hydroxychloroquine, we concluded the potential benefit from treatment outweighed the relative risks."

Notice what it doesn't say:
-That the doctor spoke to the President about the President using the drug himself, as opposed to its use in treatment generally.
-That the doctor spoke to the President about the President using the drug as a prophylactic, rather than in the hypothetical event that he became ill.
-That the doctor prescribed the drug to the President.
-That the President is in fact taking the drug.

Is the President is lying about taking this drug? That is probably the least bad possibility at this point. But what if he's not lying? Where is this man who has personal control over nuclear weapons getting this drug with those side effects? Does he have, in effect, a drug dealer?

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I'm usually the one on this board defending Trump, but this is inexcusable. It is extraordinarily irresponsible for him to be taking and/or announcing that he is taking this medication.
He is not actually taking it, he just says he has been. This is just another one of his diversionary headline grabs.
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He is not actually taking it, he just says he has been. This is just another one of his diversionary headline grabs.
That was the reason for the "and/or" there. Either way it is inexcusable. He is starting to self-implode here and the Dems should be very happy. The stress of the pandemic is magnifying his many personality flaws.

"You wanna say this drug doesn't work? Hey, I'm taking it myself!"

When he was elected, a buddy and me said that someone needed to take away his Twitter. There is no stopping his ego.
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I'm guessing that within forty-eight hours, Trump will say he was telling a joke and the fake news media once again didn't understand his refined sense of humor.
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He is starting to self-implode here and the Dems should be very happy.
If he was self-imploding on his own time, I'd feel pity for him.

As it is, he's self-imploding and taking the United States down with him. So, no, I am not at all happy.

Conservatives need to understand this isn't some meaningless sports event here. We're not cheering for our team to beat your team. We're trying to save everyone, including conservatives, from Donald Trump. It would help if you guys weren't fighting us so hard as we try to save you.
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He is not actually taking it, he just says he has been. This is just another one of his diversionary headline grabs.
Diversionary from what? The stock market had its best day in weeks and there was promising news about a vaccine.

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He may very well just be lying. But whether he’s lying or not, I think he wants to “get in the last word” on HCQ. He told everyone it was a game changer, and now he has to be right by taking it and presumably not catching the virus and not exhibiting any side effects of the medication. Then he’s proven right! Blech.
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Diversionary from what? The stock market had its best day in weeks and there was promising news about a vaccine.
The Inspector General firing, and subsequent revelations that the matter goes deeper than Pompeo using taxpayer-funded staff to take his dog to the groomer and stuff like that.
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I'm not going to waste time over here in IMHO, but here are a few points to consider:

1. It's stupid to unilaterally decree Trump is lying. He obviously truly believes in hydroxychloroquine.

2. It is not somehow "illegal" for a physician to prescribe a medication off-label, unless you are talking about a situation like New York, where Cuomo issued an executive order (23 March) banning pharmacists from dispensing HCQ to patients not enrolled in a study.

3. There is plenty of pro-HCQ evidence for early use, and for prophylaxis. This is true in vitro, and in practical clinical experience.

4. SERMO intermittently summarizes what real-world clinicians around the world think of various therapeutic approaches to SARS CoV 2 infections. Something like a third of their physician interviewees prescribe HCQ for early use.

5. In the US, HCQ is widely prescribed in the setting of SARS CoV 2, and many physicians think it should be used early. Many consider it very safe. Safety profiles exist and it is so widely prescribed many physicians think it is unlikely we have somehow been missing these horrible cardiac side-effects across the hundreds of millions of doses already given.

6. For some comments from a cardiologist organizing one of the US prophylaxis studies, look up a Healio interview with William O'Neill at Henry Ford in Detroit.

7. India loves the stuff. The Indian Council of Medical Research has the official position that HCQ should be used ONLY for the exact setting in which Trump is taking it: prophylaxis of exposed persons. As compared with NY, India is kicking ass; about 1/700th the overall death rate, slums notwithstanding. It's not as if real-world experience is somehow not providing empiric evidence. Spain, France and Italy are finally getting their pandemic under control; all are now enthusiastic supporters of early HCQ use. UK barely uses it. Take a look at new case numbers from those nations.

8. I predict that between now and November, post-exposure prophylaxis using HCQ will be recommended by Fauci. Were I blue, I would not be too hasty ridiculing it now. It will be a bitter pill to swallow if a nutcase with orange hair that I despise turns out to win an election because the public decides he was "smarter" than Sanjay Gupta.

IMHO, of course. And it seems to me a bit petty to decide this should be in IMHO and not GD. Also IMHO.

I will not post again on this in IMHO as the lack of rigor with which comments are challenged is not worth my time.

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