# 007 will be played by a Black actress **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 14, 2019, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/007-will-be-played-by-a-black-actress/837078 "2019-07-14T19:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/007-will-be-played-by-a-black-actress/837078/161 "2019-07-17T01:41:13Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > You might consider that how to measure success, but that’s not how Hollywood bean counters do it. Double the production budget in domestic box office is the baseline for a “success.” Well under half of that is a flop. …I’m well aware of the “Hollywood formula.” It isn’t how the bean-counters do it. The formula is a “rule-of-thumb” so that non-bean-counters like you and I can take a guess at a film’s profitiability. Its a very old-school concept that like many things doesn’t take into account new and different ways of monetising film. I didn’t say that both films weren’t flops. I said they were both flops. They weren’t \*\*severe \*\*flops though. A severe flop threatens the studio that made it. These films didn’t do that. > [@](#): > > And here’s my restating of that: > > … > > How is my paraphrasing of your post wrong? No, lets not restate what I said. What I said is what I said. And by the way: > [@Paraphrase](#): > > When paraphrasing, it is important to keep the original meaning so that the facts remain intact. Basically, you are writing something in your own words that still expresses the original idea. > **[Examples of Paraphrasing Without Plagiarizing](https://www.yourdictionary.com/articles/paraphrasing-examples)** > > Paraphrasing makes a lengthy passage concise, but it can be tricky to make it original. Learn the correct way to paraphrase with these paraphrasing examples. You didn’t express my idea. You expressed \*\*your \*\*idea. If you want to read what I said then its a simple matter of reading the words that I wrote. > [@](#): > > Yes, we do. I have actually seen _more_ drive-by shitting on of Star Trek than Ghostbusters. Maybe you don’t spend much time in Cafe Society? I’m all over this forum, and you aren’t one of the names I see very much here. And when I do see you in CS threads, it’s usually “SJW” threads like this one as opposed to fan discussions of shows and movies. LOL. I’m the official Straight Dope Social Justice Warrior, of course I’m in the so-called-SJW threads. Social justice is important to me. Of course I speak out on social justice issues. But that doesn’t mean I don’t read other threads. I don’t have to post in fan discussions about shows and movies to be able to have read them. The “I post more in Cafe Society” badge doesn’t really mean that much. Congrats on being “all over this forum” though. What an accomplishment. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/007-will-be-played-by-a-black-actress/837078/162 "2019-07-17T05:36:10Z")
This woman gets the 007 moniker, Bond comes back out of retirement, this woman dies, Bond gets 007 back. That what I’m calling. This is a publicity stunt. The next “James Bond” movie isnt going to be headlined by a black actress. Don’t be ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/007-will-be-played-by-a-black-actress/837078/163 "2019-07-17T05:55:00Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > This woman gets the 007 moniker, Bond comes back out of retirement, this woman dies, Bond gets 007 back. That what I’m calling. > > This is a publicity stunt. The next “James Bond” movie isnt going to be headlined by a black actress. Don’t be ridiculous. Yeahhhh…here’s an indicator of what a shit-stirring reactionary world we live in: What could possibly happen that would warrant this amount of shit, if the news never dropped??? At the end of Casino Royale, no one said “Can you believe Felix is black???” A black woman takes over the 007 number? BFD. Its a number. She could be 006 and no one would care. Craig dies and at the end of the credits it says "007 will return in ‘fill in the blank.’? If this movie sucks it won’t get made. If its great hardly any one will care. Who cares??? I don’t care. I just care about stunts, and shit-stirring and obnoxiousness. I’m tired tired tired of the posturing and yes…virtue-signalling. And im tired of the over-reacting and “Im just here for white tears” and “SO AND SO NEEDS TO BE GAY/BLACK/TRANS” I’m tired of colorism. I’m tired of “We don’t want your hand-me-down race-changed white characters” Just fucking live and let live FFS. Enjoy your 15 minutes outrage media cause you’re going down. Edit: Oh and another thing. This stunt is lose-lose-lose. If you’re right…man the shit will hit the fan. Can you imagine if the film does basically follow Austin Powers arc? At the beginning she’s all strong and independant, and by the end Bond has seduced her and ita all “Oh jammmmmmes” ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/007-will-be-played-by-a-black-actress/837078/164 "2019-07-17T05:56:27Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …I’m well aware of the “Hollywood formula.” It isn’t how the bean-counters do it. The formula is a “rule-of-thumb” so that non-bean-counters like you and I can take a guess at a film’s profitiability. Its a very old-school concept that like many things doesn’t take into account new and different ways of monetising film. I didn’t say that both films weren’t flops. I said they were both flops. They weren’t \*\*severe \*\*flops though. A severe flop threatens the studio that made it. These films didn’t do that. > > No, lets not restate what I said. What I said is what I said. And by the way: > > [Examples of Paraphrasing Without Plagiarizing | YourDictionary](https://examples.yourdictionary.com/examples-of-paraphrasing.html) > > You didn’t express my idea. You expressed \*\*your \*\*idea. If you want to read what I said then its a simple matter of reading the words that I wrote. > > LOL. \*\* I’m the official Straight Dope Social Justice Warrior,\*\* of course I’m in the so-called-SJW threads. Social justice is important to me. Of course I speak out on social justice issues. But that doesn’t mean I don’t read other threads. I don’t have to post in fan discussions about shows and movies to be able to have read them. The “I post more in Cafe Society” badge doesn’t really mean that much. Congrats on being “all over this forum” though. What an accomplishment. Did Ascenray die??? ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/007-will-be-played-by-a-black-actress/837078/165 "2019-07-17T06:04:04Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Agent 014 might not have had a LTK, but he was “twice as good as 007”. Did you make a Giligans Island ref?? ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/007-will-be-played-by-a-black-actress/837078/166 "2019-07-17T06:12:41Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > You might consider that how to measure success, but that’s not how Hollywood bean counters do it. Double the production budget in domestic box office is the baseline for a “success.” Well under half of that is a flop. Uhm…thats not how they measure it. International money isn’t inherently worth less. Beyond made about twice its budget. Thats before all post movie money. GB 2016 made $229 on a $144 budget. That’s not so great. Frigging Ghostbusters II almost made that amount. But i don’t think you could call GB 2016 a flop. ? Maybe? I do know that they were going to make a ST 4 but skimped so much on salary that it didn’t happen. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/007-will-be-played-by-a-black-actress/837078/167 "2019-07-17T06:39:48Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Uhm…thats not how they measure it. International money isn’t inherently worth less. Actually, I think it is. IIRC, a smaller portion of foreign box office receipts end up in the hands of the distributor/studio, compared to U.S. receipts. Remember, film revenues measure \*total \*box office - the theaters also get a share, which varies by country and date. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/007-will-be-played-by-a-black-actress/837078/168 "2019-07-17T07:08:27Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > I’m tired tired tired of the posturing and yes…virtue-signalling. And im tired of the over-reacting and “Im just here for white tears” and “SO AND SO NEEDS TO BE GAY/BLACK/TRANS” I’m tired of colorism. I’m tired of “We don’t want your hand-me-down race-changed white characters” Just fucking live and let live FFS. Meh, if you were really tired of it you wouldn’t be here, because you’d be avoiding discussions of race and casting in popular entertainment franchises, which is actually quite easy to do. It seems like what you want is to continue participating in the shit-stirring while moaning about how tedious it is and how that’s all other people’s fault. ---
**Author:** ![DerNils](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerNils](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerNils)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/007-will-be-played-by-a-black-actress/837078/169 "2019-07-17T08:24:39Z")
It is a Publicity stunt, and it is working. My guess? New 007 will have the role as the ass kicking kind of Bond Girl (like Michelle Yeoh in Tomorrow never dies) and they will gauge how much people like it. The good question is what will they do with it? They call the movies Bond movies, not 007 movies. This could become their spinoff series to test the Waters. Have sufficient Nostalgia via M, Q, gadgetry and so on, but doing something really new. The Bond Franchise was always a strange one, because it was there before we had common expectationsfor franchises. So you could recast willy nilly, you could even do the same plot twice over. The Daniel Craig incarnation of Bond has more storytelling and across movie plots than ever before. The question is, are watchers interested in so much stuff in their Superspy movies? Is Mission Impossible doing that? Bourne? I am all up for a Black Female 007 series, but would feel that this are more like the “Fantastic Beast” series are to the Potter stories. Which may be what is needed. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/007-will-be-played-by-a-black-actress/837078/170 "2019-07-17T12:06:42Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Meh, if you were really tired of it you wouldn’t be here, because you’d be avoiding discussions of race and casting in popular entertainment franchises, which is actually quite easy to do. It seems like what you want is to continue participating in the shit-stirring while moaning about how tedious it is and how that’s all other people’s fault. Faulty premise, strawman annnnnnnnd…damn no ad hominem. No hat trick for you son. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/007-will-be-played-by-a-black-actress/837078/171 "2019-07-17T12:10:08Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Actually, I think it is. IIRC, a smaller portion of foreign box office receipts end up in the hands of the distributor/studio, compared to U.S. receipts. Remember, film revenues measure \*total \*box office - the theaters also get a share, which varies by country and date. (Gives Jack Benny look at camera) “Oh.” ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/007-will-be-played-by-a-black-actress/837078/172 "2019-07-17T21:31:24Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Craig dies and at the end of the credits it says "007 will return in ‘fill in the blank.’? Except that they’re James Bond movies, not 007 movies. They always say “James Bond will return [in \]” I still think it’ll be that the new actress’ character gets the 007 number and SIS operational role, and somehow James Bond will get involved, without actually being 007. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/007-will-be-played-by-a-black-actress/837078/173 "2019-07-17T21:47:31Z")
> [@bump](#): > > Except that they’re James Bond movies, not 007 movies. They always say “James Bond will return [in \]” I actually am very curious as to how they’ll replace Craig, assuming this one is his last. Pre-Craig, every Bond was the same character, just a new actor. But Casino Royale was explicitly a reboot. And we’re now in the era of “reboot cinema.” So will they reboot or recast? ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/007-will-be-played-by-a-black-actress/837078/174 "2019-07-17T23:22:34Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I actually am very curious as to how they’ll replace Craig, assuming this one is his last. Pre-Craig, every Bond was the same character, just a new actor. But Casino Royale was explicitly a reboot. And we’re now in the era of “reboot cinema.” So will they reboot or recast? Maybe they both die, and some third character gets promoted. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/007-will-be-played-by-a-black-actress/837078/175 "2019-07-18T14:38:24Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Maybe they both die, and some third character gets promoted. I’m not talking about 007, I’m talking about James Bond. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/007-will-be-played-by-a-black-actress/837078/176 "2019-07-18T15:25:45Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I’m not talking about 007, I’m talking about James Bond. …can you dig it? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/007-will-be-played-by-a-black-actress/837078/177 "2019-07-18T15:39:22Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > I’m tired tired tired of the posturing and yes…virtue-signalling. I’d rather virtue-signalling than …shall we call it vice-signalling? …whatever it is the reactionaries are doing. > [@](#): > > And im tired of the over-reacting and “Im just here for white tears” _sip_ > [@](#): > > I’m tired of colorism Please explain to me how it’s _NOT_ the people complaining about a Black bond (of any gender) who are guilty of this. > [@](#): > > . I’m tired of “We don’t want your hand-me-down race-changed white characters” Just fucking live and let live FFS. We’ll “live and let live” the day after your side starts, 'cos they sure as shit ain’t “letting” us live right now… ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/007-will-be-played-by-a-black-actress/837078/178 "2019-07-18T17:51:58Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > …can you dig it? I hear that cat Bond is a baaad mutha… ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/007-will-be-played-by-a-black-actress/837078/179 "2019-07-18T19:14:58Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I’d rather virtue-signalling than …shall we call it vice-signalling? …whatever it is the reactionaries are doing. > > _sip_ > Please explain to me how it’s _NOT_ the people complaining about a Black bond (of any gender) who are guilty of this. > > We’ll “live and let live” the day after your side starts, 'cos they sure as shit ain’t “letting” us live right now… MY side? The fuck you talking about? You don’t know me. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/007-will-be-played-by-a-black-actress/837078/180 "2019-07-18T20:54:59Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I actually am very curious as to how they’ll replace Craig, assuming this one is his last. Pre-Craig, every Bond was the same character, just a new actor. But Casino Royale was explicitly a reboot. And we’re now in the era of “reboot cinema.” So will they reboot or recast? It will continue as the _James Bond_ franchise, reboot or recast, whichever. There will **not** be a future movie with Lashana Lynch, playing 007, as the lead. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/007-will-be-played-by-a-black-actress/837078.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/007-will-be-played-by-a-black-actress/837078.md?page=10)