# 10 Commandments **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 4, 2012, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10-commandments/611736 "2012-02-04T05:19:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10-commandments/611736/81 "2012-02-04T07:31:42Z")
> [@Granny\_Rainbow](#): > > actually…no…I just want intelllectual discourse…I am not out to convert anyone What a blatant deception! You didn’t ask the open question “_ **do** _ you think if the 10 commandments had been obeyed thru out humanity’s existence, there would be hardly any of the troubles we see today?”, you asserted as a clearly proselytizing premise “_ **don’t** _ you think…”! And I’ve pointed out to you what the _actual_ Ten Commandments _actually_ say, but you’ve refused to acknowledge that your insulting demand that _others_ should read what the Bible actually says whereas _ **you** _ have refused to do so makes _you_ a hypocrite! ---
**Author:** ![Granny\_Rainbow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85e7bf/32.png) [@Granny\_Rainbow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Granny_Rainbow)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10-commandments/611736/82 "2012-02-04T07:33:00Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > You are me old duck, with all the religious statements you’re making. > > Since you’ve told us that “HE” is watching everything, “GOD” doesn’t want us to make idols, etc. etc, but also that “this is not about religion or christian values”, strikes me that you’re kicking down the back door of the false witness commandment. You might be right, but I will believe what I believe till time is done… ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10-commandments/611736/83 "2012-02-04T07:34:19Z")
> [@Granny\_Rainbow](#): > > You know…I don’t care. What you and ‘them’ don’t know is that 'GOD’is everywhere and aware of every thing. I’m sure you do not believe this…but do you Really??? Are you sure there is not A Supreme being recording everything??? Shouldn’t you be content with this knowledge yourself? You are _that_ much better off than the rest of us, congrats. But, why oh _why_ do you feel the need to _tell us?_ ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10-commandments/611736/84 "2012-02-04T07:34:43Z")
> [@Granny\_Rainbow](#): > > You might be right, but I will believe what I believe till time is done… Well good for you. Run along now. What was the point of this thread? ---
**Author:** ![Granny\_Rainbow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85e7bf/32.png) [@Granny\_Rainbow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Granny_Rainbow)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10-commandments/611736/85 "2012-02-04T07:34:50Z")
> [@ambushed](#): > > what a blatant deception! You didn’t ask the open question “_ **do** _ you think if the 10 commandments had been obeyed thru out humanity’s existence, there would be hardly any of the troubles we see today?”, you asserted as a clearly proselytizing premise “_ **don’t** _ you think…”! > > And i’ve pointed out to you what the _actual_ ten commandments _actually_ say, but you’ve refused to acknowledge that your insulting demand that _others_ should read what the bible actually says whereas _ **you** _ have refused to do so makes _you_ a hypocrite! i believe i said, " do you think"…how is that pushing my beliefs onto someone else? You stupid fuck. ---
**Author:** ![Granny\_Rainbow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85e7bf/32.png) [@Granny\_Rainbow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Granny_Rainbow)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10-commandments/611736/86 "2012-02-04T07:35:56Z")
> [@Granny\_Rainbow](#): > > i believe i said, " do you think"…how is that pushing my beliefs onto someone else? You stupid fuck. the demand is all in your guilt ridden head ---
**Author:** ![Granny\_Rainbow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85e7bf/32.png) [@Granny\_Rainbow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Granny_Rainbow)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10-commandments/611736/87 "2012-02-04T07:37:37Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > Well good for you. Run along now. > > What was the point of this thread? The point is, I aske for opinions., and it brought out alll of the atheists in the free world. lol ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10-commandments/611736/88 "2012-02-04T07:38:47Z")
> [@Granny\_Rainbow](#): > > i believe i said, " do you think"…how is that pushing my beliefs onto someone else? You stupid fuck. You **stupid, felching bitch!** Can’t you READ? Here are your EXACT WORDS from the OP: > [@Granny\_Rainbow](#): > > (I might still get deleted) Butt..All of you people that think you are so modern, intelligent, informed… **don’t** you think if the 10 commandments had been obeyed thru out humanity’s existence, there would be hardly any of the troubles we see today? What a contemptibly sub-moronic ass you are! :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10-commandments/611736/89 "2012-02-04T07:38:55Z")
> [@Granny\_Rainbow](#): > > You have all proved me wrong, and I see that an Opposition to the Word is prevalent. I have not espoused any religion, or belief system. Yes, you have; even in that one post, your referring to a specific religious text as “the Word” demonstrates it. > [@Granny\_Rainbow](#): > > You know…I don’t care. What you and ‘them’ don’t know is that 'GOD’is everywhere and aware of every thing. I’m sure you do not believe this…but do you Really??? Are you sure there is not A Supreme being recording everything??? I’m as sure that there isn’t such a thing as I’m sure that there is no Santa Claus. _More_ sure. > [@Granny\_Rainbow](#): > > You might be right, but I will believe what I believe till time is done… And your beliefs are and will remain wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10-commandments/611736/90 "2012-02-04T07:39:03Z")
> [@Granny\_Rainbow](#): > > i believe i said, " do you think"…how is that pushing my beliefs onto someone else? You stupid fuck. How funny that the self-professed pious one is the one to get all “Lucifer-y” and inappropriate with the expletive-laced name calling… ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10-commandments/611736/91 "2012-02-04T07:39:36Z")
> [@Granny\_Rainbow](#): > > The point is, I aske for opinions., and it brought out alll of the atheists in the free world. lol That’s not much of an achievement on this board, which is quite known for its atheist bias. Perhaps another board might suit you better, where you can uncover some stealth atheists. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10-commandments/611736/92 "2012-02-04T07:40:36Z")
I have reported this poster by the way, whom I suspect not to have genuine intent. Suggest we desist from feeding it. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10-commandments/611736/93 "2012-02-04T07:44:12Z")
> [@Granny\_Rainbow](#): > > “HE” for “God”…whatever you want…if you are right…yay…if you are wrong…??? Yay??? ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10-commandments/611736/94 "2012-02-04T07:46:23Z")
What?!? When I started reading this thread, it was in the Pit! If I had known this thread had been moved to GD mid-thread, I would not have used the kind of language I did! What can I do now? I don’t believe I deserve punishment because the thread was moved **after** I got engaged in this. I apologize and throw myself on the mercy of the moderators… ---
**Author:** ![Granny\_Rainbow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85e7bf/32.png) [@Granny\_Rainbow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Granny_Rainbow)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10-commandments/611736/95 "2012-02-04T07:47:21Z")
> [@Granny\_Rainbow](#): > > “HE” for “God”…whatever you want…if you are right…yay…if you are wrong…??? I C most of you peeps are onboard for “victimless” crimes. Come on boys and girls. There is really no such thing as a Victimless Crime. God knows what you are all doing…Come on, let me be a crimeless victim…I am a good person, never committed a crime…Stop attacking me because I believe in God and you don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Scholar\_Beardpig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de053/32.png) [@Scholar\_Beardpig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scholar_Beardpig)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10-commandments/611736/96 "2012-02-04T07:48:58Z")
I have a funny feeling this is about to shut down… But! Before it does, I think the 10 commandments are silly. They offered no serious improvement over the religious and ethical systems prevailing at the time, especially the far more sophisticated Zoroastrian ethics espoused in the Avesta. And anyway, I’m a Buddhist, and thus convinced that our pannasilla system, especially as expressed in the Sigalovada Sutta, are the highest human ethics. ---
**Author:** ![J\_Cubed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c6cbf5/32.png) [@J\_Cubed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/J_Cubed)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10-commandments/611736/97 "2012-02-04T08:00:51Z")
> [@Granny\_Rainbow](#): > > Human interpretation is not perfect, nor any human religion. There have been many interpretations of “Christiainity” some wrong and some right in some ways. I am not asking for a theological or atheistic slant on my question. I merely asked if things would not be simpler today if we had followed some laws laid down long ago. Then the answer is “no”. One of the main problems with laws from long ago is that they fail to account for all of things we’ve learned since then. And laws that have been recorded from the oral history of a small wandering tribe from thousands of years ago are not really relevant to the modern world. Your OP posed a question that was loaded with Judeo-Christian assumptions, whether you meant to or not. And judging by your responses to the people trying to question those assumptions, you have internalized them pretty deeply. As I imagine you truly conceive it, you are just [begging the question](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question): Would the world be better if everyone just followed the laws given to us by the all-knowing, all-powerful, perfect creator of everything? Well, duh, if that were all true, then the answer is “yes”. But really, what do you mean by this? > [@Granny\_Rainbow](#): > > …there would be hardly any of the troubles we see today? Massive numbers of unpunished murder sprees? A wave of serial first-degree parent disrespect? Organized gangs of ox-coveters? Because, in my experience, when people talk about all “the troubles we see today”, they usually mean Negroes marrying white women and scary teenagers who wear their pants too low. You’ll have to be more specific if you want a real answer. If you want a list of rules that will make the world a better place, I can give you some that have the benefit of 5000 years of additional thought behind them: [ol] [li]Treat others the way you want to be treated.[/li][li]Seriously, don’t be a douche. [/li][li]You know how you think you’re the center of the universe? Everyone else thinks that about themselves.[/li][li]Most people really do know right from wrong. Heed that sense.[/li][li]Authority is almost always abused. It must always be subjected to scrutiny.[/li][li]Most rules that nominally exist to protect society from some nebulous threat or taint are invalid. Do not enact or enforce them without specific, credible evidence.[/li][/ol] There, easy as can be, and 40% shorter than your list. Also, allows for a flexible work week and closes the parent-on-child abuse loophole. And still outlaws murder! ---
**Author:** ![Granny\_Rainbow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85e7bf/32.png) [@Granny\_Rainbow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Granny_Rainbow)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10-commandments/611736/98 "2012-02-04T08:15:01Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > No, it is very much a Christian issue, since you are speaking of several rules that are specifically Christian. That in fact demand adherence to Christianity. It is YOUR quiestion ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10-commandments/611736/99 "2012-02-04T08:17:46Z")
Dear Granny Rainbow, I sincerely and abjectly apologize for my verbal abuse. I genuinely thought this was a Pit thread, but I appear to have been mistaken about that. I still hold the same views about your posts, but since it wasn’t actually the Pit, it was against the rules to use the language I did, and I’m sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Granny\_Rainbow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85e7bf/32.png) [@Granny\_Rainbow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Granny_Rainbow)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10-commandments/611736/100 "2012-02-04T08:18:44Z")
[quote=“J\_Cubed, post:97, topic:611736”] Then the answer is “no”. One of the main problems with laws from long ago is that they fail to account for all of things we’ve learned since then. And laws that have been recorded from the oral history of a small wandering tribe from thousands of years ago are not really relevant to the modern world. Your OP posed a question that was loaded with Judeo-Christian assumptions, whether you meant to or not. And judging by your responses to the people trying to question those assumptions, you have internalized them pretty deeply. As I imagine you truly conceive it, you are just [begging the question](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question): Would the world be better if everyone just followed the laws given to us by the all-knowing, all-powerful, perfect creator of everything? Well, duh, if that were all true, then the answer is “yes”. But really, what do you mean by this? Massive numbers of unpunished murder sprees? A wave of serial first-degree parent disrespect? Organized gangs of ox-coveters? Because, in my experience, when people talk about all “the troubles we see today”, they usually mean Negroes marrying white women and scary teenagers who wear their pants too low. You’ll have to be more specific if you want a real answer. If you want a list of rules that will make the world a better place, I can give you some that have the benefit of 5000 years of additional thought behind them: [ol] [li]Treat others the way you want to be treated.[/li][li]Seriously, don’t be a douche. [/li][li]You know how you think you’re the center of the universe? Everyone else thinks that about themselves.[/li][li]Most people really do know right from wrong. Heed that sense.[/li][li]Authority is almost always abused. It must always be subjected to scrutiny.[/li][li]Most rules that nominally exist to protect society from some nebulous threat or taint are invalid. Do not enact or enforce them without specific, credible evidence.[/li][/ol] There, easy as can be, and 40% shorter than your list. Also, allows for a flexible work week and closes the parent-on-child abuse loophole. And still outlaws murder!p,gh [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10-commandments/611736.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10-commandments/611736.md?page=6)