# 100 K More Troops for Iraq? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 31, 2006, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/100-k-more-troops-for-iraq/378545 "2006-10-31T03:51:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/100-k-more-troops-for-iraq/378545/1 "2006-10-31T03:51:34Z")
> **[CBS News | Breaking news, top stories & today's latest headlines](https://www.cbsnews.com/)** > > CBS News offers breaking news coverage of today's top headlines. Stay informed on the biggest new stories with our balanced, trustworthy reporting. > [@](#): > > CBS News has learned that the U.S. commander in Iraq is expected to recommend the size of Iraqi security forces be increased by up to 100,000, David Martin reports.. Somebody has simply _got_ to be kidding. I don’t know who yet, because I picked this link off a blog leading to CBS News above, but nobody, but nobody seems to be talking about this. So maybe I’m Pitting CBS news for a wildly inaccurate news release. Which would be a relief, frankly. But if I’m not, I’m pitting the dumbest fucking idea yet. Why do we need to do this? > [@](#): > > …This comes just as the U.S. military is about to reach its long-stated goal of training and equipping 325,000 Iraqis to take over the fighting from American troops. > > Officials say the explosion of sectarian violence, which Gen. Casey calls a fundamental change in the nature of the threat, now makes that number look inadequate. On top of that is the fact that any given day, one quarter of the Iraqi Army is on leave… WT bleeding F? One quarter of the Iraqi Army is on leave on "_any given day"_! And who signed off on this? I cannot imagine that any Bushivik thought “You know, this close to the election, be a really good idea to float that “raise the troop level” thingy, bound to get just oodles of enthusiastic crunchy goodness!” Anybody see something here that isn’t batshit pizza? Anybody? ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/100-k-more-troops-for-iraq/378545/2 "2006-10-31T04:15:34Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Anybody see something here that isn’t batshit pizza? Anybody? [/QUOTE] Yeah, I do. I hate this war as much as anybody, but as long as we’re there, I’m ok with committing more troops. The way I see it is: would you rather walk through a bad neighborhood with 5 of your best friends or 500 of your best friends? Until we find a way out of this clusterfuck, I’d like our men to be as safe as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/100-k-more-troops-for-iraq/378545/3 "2006-10-31T04:19:50Z")
[QUOTE=Cisco] Until we find a way out of this clusterfuck, I’d like our men to be as safe as possible. [/QUOTE] And the best way to keep our men safe is to put more of them in the war zone. Gotcha. Now, where’s that March hare and the guy with the hat? They said something about a tea party. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/100-k-more-troops-for-iraq/378545/4 "2006-10-31T04:26:17Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] Now, where’s that March hare and the guy with the hat? They said something about a tea party. [/QUOTE] Not taking advantage of strength in numbers was a fault we paid dearly for in Vietnam. You can hand-wave it all you want but it is legitimate military strategy. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/100-k-more-troops-for-iraq/378545/5 "2006-10-31T04:29:27Z")
I know. At the same time, I feel compelled to point out that the safety measures would probably result in a lot of people getting killed. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/100-k-more-troops-for-iraq/378545/6 "2006-10-31T04:30:39Z")
Just to be clear, it’s the Iraqi army, not the US army. ISF = Iraqi Security Forces. > [@](#): > > CBS News has learned exclusively that Gen. George Casey, the U.S. Commander in Iraq, is expected to recommend the size of Iraqi security forces be increased by up to 100,000. Do you think they need fewer security folks? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/100-k-more-troops-for-iraq/378545/7 "2006-10-31T04:47:02Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Do you think they need fewer security folks? [/QUOTE] I wonder if **elucidator** did think they meant US troops, but it’s still a rather drastic statement if the situation has deteriorated so much that the security was 100,000 too small. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/100-k-more-troops-for-iraq/378545/8 "2006-10-31T04:47:37Z")
What a relief! Its not 100K American troops, which means we won’t be pressing the Eagle Scouts into infantry. It just means that the 325,000 troops that were the big goal turns out to be about 100,000 short. What is that in Friedman Units? But, yeah, I did misread that. Time to ramp up my Alzhiemer’s prevention program another notch. Stern virtue demands rigorous mental hygiene. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/100-k-more-troops-for-iraq/378545/9 "2006-10-31T04:50:30Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] But, yeah, I did misread that. Time to ramp up my Alzhiemer’s prevention program another notch. Stern virtue demands rigorous mental hygiene. [/QUOTE] I recommend wine. I’ve got a nice crisp Chardonnay going right now. Saving the Port for later. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/100-k-more-troops-for-iraq/378545/10 "2006-10-31T04:52:13Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Cognitive Dissonance (the #1 threat to the Republic!) [/QUOTE] 😃 ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/100-k-more-troops-for-iraq/378545/11 "2006-10-31T04:52:39Z")
Are you sure it’s wise to drink chardonnay? You might catch teh liberal. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/100-k-more-troops-for-iraq/378545/12 "2006-10-31T04:54:15Z")
Turns out its not catastrophic news, merely dreadful. That’s better. Turns out this doesn’t mean more American troops, just the same ones. Longer. Goody. Swell. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/100-k-more-troops-for-iraq/378545/13 "2006-10-31T05:00:38Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] I recommend wine. I’ve got a nice crisp Chardonnay going right now. Saving the Port for later. [/QUOTE] Goddess Willing, I die of old age having never described a wine as “crisp”. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/100-k-more-troops-for-iraq/378545/14 "2006-10-31T05:03:51Z")
[QUOTE=kaylasdad99] Are you sure it’s wise to drink chardonnay? You might catch teh liberal. 😃 [/QUOTE] Well, that’s true of any wine. Tonight it’s a Chard, tomorrow a Pinot, and Wed will probably see a nice Cab. As for Iraq, I think the real problem is the police, not so much the army. If you’re relying on the army to save your ass, you’re screwed. I wish we could divide the country into 3 zones, but I think that would make matters worse. Besides, it’s their counrty, not ours. “We” shoudln’t be dividing anything up, other than our own Congressional districts, and look what we’ve done with those. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/100-k-more-troops-for-iraq/378545/15 "2006-10-31T05:05:43Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Goddess Willing, I die of old age having never described a wine as “crisp”. [/QUOTE] If so, your life will be the poorer for it. Of course, you live in MN, not in CA. What would you do with a “crisp” wine there even if you had one? Swat a mosquito with it? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/100-k-more-troops-for-iraq/378545/16 "2006-10-31T06:06:17Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] If so, your life will be the poorer for it. Of course, you live in MN, not in CA… [/QUOTE] Eat your heart out. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/100-k-more-troops-for-iraq/378545/17 "2006-10-31T08:09:14Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Eat your heart out. [/QUOTE] A nice robust Chianti would go well with that. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/100-k-more-troops-for-iraq/378545/18 "2006-10-31T14:18:16Z")
Here you go, **'luc**. No doubt you’ll get some solace from reading the following article: [In Baghdad, a Force Under the Militias’ Sway Infiltration of Iraqi Police Could Delay Handover of Control for Years, U.S. Trainers Suggest](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/30/AR2006103001323_pf.html) > [@](#): > > BAGHDAD – The signs of the militias are everywhere at the Sholeh police station. > > Posters celebrating Moqtada al-Sadr, head of the Mahdi Army militia, dot the building’s walls. The police chief sometimes remarks that Shiite militias should wipe out all Sunnis. Visitors to this violent neighborhood in the Iraqi capital whisper that nearly all the police officers have split loyalties. > > And then one rainy night this month, the Sholeh police set up an ambush and killed Army Cpl. Kenny F. Stanton Jr., a 20-year-old budding journalist, his unit said. At the time, Stanton and other members of the unit had been trailing a group of Sholeh police escorting known Mahdi Army members. > > “How can we expect ordinary Iraqis to trust the police when we don’t even trust them not to kill our own men?” asked Capt. Alexander Shaw, head of the police transition team of the 372nd Military Police Battalion, a Washington-based unit charged with overseeing training of all Iraqi police in western Baghdad. “To be perfectly honest, I’m not sure we’re ever going to have police here that are free of the militia influence.” > > \ > > The difficulty of eliminating corruption and militias from the Iraqi police forces can be exasperating for the American soldiers who risk their lives day after day to train them. “We can keep getting in our Humvees every day, but nothing is going to work unless the politicians do their job and move against the militias,” Moore said. > > Sitting in the battalion’s war room with four other members of his team, Moore estimated it would take 30 to 40 years before the Iraqi police could function properly, perhaps longer if the militia infiltration and corruption continue to increase. His colleagues nodded. > > “It’s very, very slow-moving,” Estes said. > > “No,” said Sgt. 1st Class William T. King Jr., another member of the team. “It’s moving in reverse.” Wanna “win”? What’s another thirty or fourty years of carnage? ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/100-k-more-troops-for-iraq/378545/19 "2006-10-31T15:10:17Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] WT bleeding F? One quarter of the Iraqi Army is on leave on "_any given day"_! [/QUOTE] Yep. The banking system is Iraq is virtually non existent, so soldiers are given [a week off every month](http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/10/25/america/web.1025assess.php) to take their dinars home in a paper bag. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/100-k-more-troops-for-iraq/378545/20 "2006-10-31T16:29:34Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Goddess Willing, I die of old age having never described a wine as “crisp”. [/QUOTE] Especially not a Chardonnay. Of all the white wines to describe as “crisp,” perhaps only a porto bianco would be less appropriate. 😉 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/100-k-more-troops-for-iraq/378545.md?page=2)