# 10th amendment fever dream **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [April 13, 2024, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10th-amendment-fever-dream/1000234 "2024-04-13T15:53:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2024, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10th-amendment-fever-dream/1000234/1 "2024-04-13T15:53:45Z")
**“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”** The alternate history which is to come: For many reasons, Democrats sweep the 2024 federal elections. The trend continues and the same happens in 2026. POTUS & Legislature are firmly in the Dems’ control and the Repubs continue to tear at each others’ throats, to the great amusement of their base, and accomplish/obstruct nothing. Some smartass in The House starts a movement to annul Trump’s term. SCOTUS justices appointed by him are out, as are their decisions, as well as all other judges, officials, departments, etc. appointed or created by his administration are also ousted/reversed (to the extent feasible). Once that’s done, said smartass reflects publicly, "Oh my that WAS disruptive and messy. That should never happen again, and then the 28th amendment gets passed, essentially preventing such an annulment from happening again. So they do some repairs, and lock the door behind them and throw away the key. Is that a process that could happen? Is there something already in place preventing it? (if the SCOTUS is felt to be a significant threat to the plan, just assume the sitting POTUS adds like 6 more seats and appoints normal human beings instead of power mad lovers of judicial overreach). ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2024, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10th-amendment-fever-dream/1000234/2 "2024-04-13T16:09:45Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Is that a process that could happen? Is there something already in place preventing it? Well, just the fact that there is no legal process to “annul Trump’s term”, remove Supreme Court justices without individual impeachment hearings and trials, or otherwise effect a blanket rollback of appointments, legislation, executive orders, et cetera, nor is there any realistic possibility that 38 states would vote to ratify your proposed 28th amendment. Other than those issues, it sounds great. Better yet, with your executive fiat time machine can we roll back to the pre-Vietnam War era and wash away all of that stain and the precedent for massive executive overreach in foreign conflicts? We’ll keep the civil rights, Voting Rights Act, Title IX protections, and take a more regulated approach to dismantling Bretton Woods instead of wholesale scrapping of the global finance system. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2024, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10th-amendment-fever-dream/1000234/3 "2024-04-13T19:34:56Z")
While we’re at it, can we anull the election of 1876? I’d really like to take another crack at that whole Reconstruction thing. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2024, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10th-amendment-fever-dream/1000234/4 "2024-04-13T19:55:16Z")
What exactly does “annul” mean in this context? What is different after it occurs? ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2024, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10th-amendment-fever-dream/1000234/5 "2024-04-13T20:07:02Z")
I think they’re saying that in this fever dream alternate reality trump’s presidency would be ruled to never have taken place, legally speaking. So all of the people he appointed were illegitimate, including all of the judges. Therefore, it follows that all of the rulings these illegitimate judges made are null and void. Everything would reset to the status quo of the end of Obama’s term. Etc, and so forth. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2024, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10th-amendment-fever-dream/1000234/6 "2024-04-13T20:51:45Z")
Got it, thanks. If this hypothetical doesn’t have an amendment until after the annulment, aren’t we missing one amendment, the one that defines and permits such an annulment? Maybe this works better as a _Twilight Zone_ episode. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2024, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10th-amendment-fever-dream/1000234/7 "2024-04-13T22:27:05Z")
The ideas written in the are wooly nonsense full of random arm-waving. “Fever dream” is about right. Come back with something understandable and we’ll try to understand it. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2024, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10th-amendment-fever-dream/1000234/8 "2024-04-13T22:36:04Z")
If there’s an annulment, does the Pope come into it somewhere? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2024, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10th-amendment-fever-dream/1000234/9 "2024-04-14T00:29:53Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > The ideas written in the are wooly nonsense full of random arm-waving. “Fever dream” is about right. > > Come back with something understandable and we’ll try to understand it. This entirely. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2024, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10th-amendment-fever-dream/1000234/10 "2024-04-14T04:05:55Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > The ideas written in the are wooly nonsense full of random arm-waving. “Fever dream” is about right Also I am trying to figure out the relation of it to the 10th Amendment. As quoted: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Exactly how does **this** work to create the mechanism for the annulment to take place? Can’t happen by an Act of Congress since there is no provision in the existing Constitution or Law that enables it done. An unanimous consent from all states to consider every act under the Trump administration invalid? Again, through what legal instrument in _their_ constitutions and laws or under jurisprudence? And what legal instrument do The People have to do it themselves? Plus wait until you tell The People that those $1200 Covid Benefit checks were never really valid and they have to hand them back. . ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2024, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10th-amendment-fever-dream/1000234/11 "2024-04-14T17:29:43Z")
Jesus’ tits did I pull you guys away from something important? Answer is super clear to you, so you’re justified in being rude about it? I’m 100% certain The Great Library of Alexandria was torched because it had become infested with insufferable pricks, just like this place. Have fun circle jerking in your super smart echo chamber. What a shithole this place has become. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2024, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10th-amendment-fever-dream/1000234/12 "2024-04-14T17:32:44Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Exactly how does **this** work to create the mechanism for the annulment to take place? I thought the OP would talk about how a Democratic (blue) state would annul a Trump (or similarly MAGA) presidency within their state. Just like the pre-1861 South used States’ Rights to do the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2024, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10th-amendment-fever-dream/1000234/13 "2024-04-14T18:11:02Z")
Moderating: > [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Jesus’ tits did I pull you guys away from something important? Answer is super clear to you, so you’re justified in being rude about it? I’m 100% certain The Great Library of Alexandria was torched because it had become infested with insufferable pricks, just like this place. Have fun circle jerking in your super smart echo chamber. What a shithole this place has become. People attempted to answer your OP thoughtfully and respectfully. You in turn decided to insult them and not address the points they raised. This is a formal warning for being a jerk. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2024, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10th-amendment-fever-dream/1000234/14 "2024-04-14T18:15:27Z")
And this is closed. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2024, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/10th-amendment-fever-dream/1000234/15 "2024-04-14T18:15:33Z")
Closed on April 14, 2024, 6:15pm UTC