# 11 11 11:11 \[Time of WWI Armistice\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [November 6, 2018, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-11-11-11-time-of-wwi-armistice/824045 "2018-11-06T00:53:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-11-11-11-time-of-wwi-armistice/824045/1 "2018-11-06T00:53:39Z")
November 11, 2018 will mark 100 years since the end of WWI. Is that 11:11 GMT? ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-11-11-11-time-of-wwi-armistice/824045/2 "2018-11-06T01:06:17Z")
It’s 11:00 (not 11:11) am Paris time. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-11-11-11-time-of-wwi-armistice/824045/3 "2018-11-06T01:09:17Z")
By the way, the armistice that ended the fighting went into effect at 11:00 am (Paris time) on November 11 (“the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month”). Technically, though, the war didn’t officially end until the Treaty of Versailles went into effect on January 10th, 1920 (over a year later!). ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-11-11-11-time-of-wwi-armistice/824045/4 "2018-11-06T01:14:10Z")
Thanks, gdave. One does want to remember at the correct time. It’s a Sunday, I can toast those poor guys who died in the War To End All Wars. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-11-11-11-time-of-wwi-armistice/824045/5 "2018-11-06T01:34:22Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > By the way, the armistice that ended the fighting went into effect at 11:00 am (Paris time) on November 11 (“the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month”). Technically, though, the war didn’t officially end until the Treaty of Versailles went into effect on January 10th, 1920 (over a year later!). The United States didn’t ratify the Treaty of Versailles. So the war between Germany and the United States didn’t officially end until November 11, 1921 when a separate peace treaty went into effect. China also did not sign the Treaty of Versailles. But their separate treaty with Germany went into effect on May 20, 1921. ---
**Author:** ![UDS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecae2f/32.png) [@UDS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UDS)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-11-11-11-time-of-wwi-armistice/824045/6 "2018-11-06T01:47:59Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Thanks, gdave. One does want to remember at the correct time. > It’s a Sunday, I can toast those poor guys who died in the War To End All Wars. Well, if you want to be _scrupulously_ accurate, Paris time in November 1918 did align with GMT, whereas in November 2018 Paris time is GMT+1. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-11-11-11-time-of-wwi-armistice/824045/7 "2018-11-06T02:14:42Z")
Title edited to better indicate subject. Please use descriptive thread titles. Colibri General Questions Moderator ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-11-11-11-time-of-wwi-armistice/824045/8 "2018-11-06T03:12:42Z")
We knew what it was about. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-11-11-11-time-of-wwi-armistice/824045/9 "2018-11-06T03:23:16Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > We knew what it was about. No we didn’t.😉 ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-11-11-11-time-of-wwi-armistice/824045/10 "2018-11-06T03:40:26Z")
Arguments are in Great Debates. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![bob\_2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_2/32/3341_2.png) [@bob\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_2)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-11-11-11-time-of-wwi-armistice/824045/11 "2018-11-06T09:34:41Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Thanks, gdave. One does want to remember at the correct time. > It’s a Sunday, I can toast those poor guys who died in the War To End All Wars. With a six-hour time difference, you will need to set your alarm early 🙂 And Armistice day has been extended to include the people who died in all wars; although mainly the 20th-century ones. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-11-11-11-time-of-wwi-armistice/824045/12 "2018-11-06T12:07:04Z")
> [@bob\_2](#): > > And Armistice day has been extended to include the people who died in all wars; although mainly the 20th-century ones. In the U.S., Armistice Day is no longer observed as such; Veteran’s Day, which specifically honors U.S. military veterans, is observed instead. Although, just about all of the ceremonies I’ve ever been to commence at 11:00 am and make specific reference to “the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month” and the WWI Armistice. Memorial Day honors those who died in wars in general. Of course, that’s just the U.S. Not challenging you at all, bob++, but I’m curious. In what country(ies) is Armistice Day observed and extended as you indicate? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-11-11-11-time-of-wwi-armistice/824045/13 "2018-11-06T13:01:38Z")
We call it Remembrance Day in Canada, and it does commemorate all military deaths, but the key moments is always 11 am on November 11. The poppy is the symbol. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![california\_jobcase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9d8465/32.png) [@california\_jobcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/california_jobcase)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-11-11-11-time-of-wwi-armistice/824045/14 "2018-11-06T15:39:19Z")
11 AM is the start of the 12th hour. 12-1 AM is the first hour. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-11-11-11-time-of-wwi-armistice/824045/15 "2018-11-06T15:40:52Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > We call it Remembrance Day in Canada, and it does commemorate all military deaths, but the key moments is always 11 am on November 11. The poppy is the symbol. > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk “In Flanders fields …” ☹ ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-11-11-11-time-of-wwi-armistice/824045/16 "2018-11-06T15:41:57Z")
> [@california\_jobcase](#): > > 11 AM is the start of the 12th hour. 12-1 AM is the first hour. It’s also the\* completion\* of the eleventh hour. Which is what they meant. ---
**Author:** ![california\_jobcase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9d8465/32.png) [@california\_jobcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/california_jobcase)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-11-11-11-time-of-wwi-armistice/824045/17 "2018-11-06T15:48:51Z")
ON means at the end of something? Does “Christmas is on the 25th of December” mean it is at the completion of the 25th? (yes, I’m arguing for the fun of it. Waiting for the idiom excuse next…) ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-11-11-11-time-of-wwi-armistice/824045/18 "2018-11-06T16:23:51Z")
> [@california\_jobcase](#): > > ON means at the end of something? Does “Christmas is on the 25th of December” mean it is at the completion of the 25th? (yes, I’m arguing for the fun of it. Waiting for the idiom excuse next…) Who said “on”? 😕 The armistice went into effect “at” 11:00 am. (There, I have returned your ground stroke.) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-11-11-11-time-of-wwi-armistice/824045/19 "2018-11-06T17:18:52Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > Not challenging you at all, bob++, but I’m curious. In what country(ies) is Armistice Day observed and extended as you indicate? That’s in case in South Africa too, and probably all Commonwealth countries. Remembrance Day here is commemorated much the same as in the UK, red poppies, 11/11, parades and wreath laying, war dead from WWI and all the wars after that remembered. ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-11-11-11-time-of-wwi-armistice/824045/20 "2018-11-06T17:34:54Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Arguments are in Great Debates. 😉 No they’re not! [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-11-11-11-time-of-wwi-armistice/824045.md?page=2)