# 11.22.2013 (Kennedy Assassination) **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 18, 2013, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-22-2013-kennedy-assassination/669130 "2013-09-18T08:30:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-22-2013-kennedy-assassination/669130/41 "2013-09-19T16:51:33Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > You would think that the shooter would have been able to identify the guy standing up and waving in the middle of the motorcade as the target even without a spotter. Not to mention that the spotter apparently waited until Kennedy was about to go behind a sign before giving the signal to fire. Plus, wouldn’t a spotter need some way to communicate with the shooter? What is Zapruder supposed to have used - telepathy? Carrier pigeons? Smoke signals? I like a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, but you have to give me some fig leaf of plausibility to cling to. Can’t Zapruder be an FBI auditor to make sure the Mafia assassination subcontract comes in on time and under budget? Then, if it does, they can schedule the RFK assassination. The Magic Bullet cuts costs on ammunition and helps with the budgetting. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-22-2013-kennedy-assassination/669130/42 "2013-09-19T16:58:42Z")
Can we get off this conspiracy theory hijack and get back to the main topic of Marilyn Monroe and Christina Hendricks? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-22-2013-kennedy-assassination/669130/43 "2013-09-19T17:25:20Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Can we get off this conspiracy theory hijack and get back to the main topic of Marilyn Monroe and Christina Hendricks? No, we can’t, because Christina is innocent. Marilyn Monroe was also innocent, but she was killed for more subtle reasons. That was in case they got caught. Then, at the trial, the first conspirator gets up and says to the judge,“I killed the President of the United States.” The judge says, “Guilty!” The second conspirator gets up and says to the judge, “I killed the President of the United States, and the former Attorney General of the United States.” The judge says, “Guilty!” Then the last conspirator gets up and says to the judge, “I killed the President of the United States, the former Attorney General of the United States, and a blonde with big boobs.” The judge says, “You killed a blonde with big boobs?” The last conspirator turns to the first one and slaps him upside the head. “See, dummy - I told you no one would care about the President!” Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-22-2013-kennedy-assassination/669130/44 "2013-09-19T19:03:35Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Can we get off this conspiracy theory hijack and get back to the main topic of Marilyn Monroe and Christina Hendricks? _I’m just mad about Saffron…_ And can I just hope that, once we’re past the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination, we can let November 22 in subsequent years pass without the subject being brought up? We’ve been getting ghoulish over the memory of the JFK assassination longer than JFK was _alive_, fercryinoutloud. If he were alive today, he’d be 96 years old. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-22-2013-kennedy-assassination/669130/45 "2013-09-19T19:40:51Z")
> [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](#): > > Zapruder was the “spotter”; that is, the member of a sniper team who assists in the observation of targets. > > Don’t you see? **Pooter** has identified Zapruder as _part of the conspiracy_! This is brilliant, ground-breaking stuff! > > Only one question remains . . . who put him up to it? [Bell & Howell](http://www.copweb.be/Zapruder%20Camera.htm). They needed the publicity. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-22-2013-kennedy-assassination/669130/46 "2013-09-20T02:00:25Z")
> [@PSXer](#): > > xD Geroge Bush is dumb > > that joke never gets old Would that it were a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Pooter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/41988e/32.png) [@Pooter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pooter)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-22-2013-kennedy-assassination/669130/47 "2013-09-28T01:52:39Z")
> [@PSXer](#): > > Zapruder didn’t even say that he could hear where the shot came from > > _Mr. LIEBELER - Did you form any opinion about the direction from which the shots came by the sound, or were you just upset by the thing you had seen? > Mr. ZAPRUDER - No, there was too much reverberation. There was an echo which gave me a sound all over. In other words that square is kind of–it had a sound all over._ > > [Testimony Of Abraham Zapruder](http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/zapruder.htm) Pretty steady hand in filming for someone who just witnessed the assassination …not to mention hearing all that gunfire. More like a seasoned professional than a garment maker. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-22-2013-kennedy-assassination/669130/48 "2013-09-28T02:19:30Z")
> [@Pooter](#): > > Pretty steady hand in filming for someone who just witnessed the assassination …not to mention hearing all that gunfire. More like a seasoned professional than a garment maker. Ever heard of shock? One’s profession does not determine how they will act in an emergency. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-22-2013-kennedy-assassination/669130/49 "2013-09-28T02:22:49Z")
> [@Pooter](#): > > Pretty steady hand in filming for someone who just witnessed the assassination …not to mention hearing all that gunfire. More like a seasoned professional than a garment maker. :rolleyes: Really? What is the evidence that Zapruder even recognized the significance of what he was filming at the moment he was filming it? Have you ever even watched the Zapruder film? Do you actually call that “steady”? The image bounces around even before the gunshots and continues with the same level of bouncing around afterward. It would be nice to get a CT enthusiast in here who was capable of posting without making egregious errors that are easily corrected by the simplest observation. ---
**Author:** ![Mikahw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Mikahw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mikahw)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-22-2013-kennedy-assassination/669130/50 "2013-09-28T02:39:54Z")
> [@PSXer](#): > > Zapruder didn’t even say that he could hear where the shot came from > > _Mr. LIEBELER - Did you form any opinion about the direction from which the shots came by the sound, or were you just upset by the thing you had seen? > Mr. ZAPRUDER - No, there was too much reverberation. There was an echo which gave me a sound all over. In other words that square is kind of–it had a sound all over._ > > [Testimony Of Abraham Zapruder](http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/zapruder.htm) So, there were a bunch of shooters and they all fired at the exact same time? I knew it! ---
**Author:** ![Pooter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/41988e/32.png) [@Pooter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pooter)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-22-2013-kennedy-assassination/669130/51 "2013-09-28T04:23:02Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Really? What is the evidence that Zapruder even recognized the significance of what he was filming at the moment he was filming it? That is so ignorant as to be repugnant in itself. That probably explains why he immediately jumped down from the top of the retaining wall they were perched on and being screaming they killed the President, they killed the President. > [@tomndebb](#): > > egregious errors that are easily corrected by the simplest observation. Such as the fact that seconds after the “shot” which Zapruder described echoed all around, there isn’t any noticeable reaction by the onlookers, but of course you see it don’t you… ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-22-2013-kennedy-assassination/669130/52 "2013-09-28T05:37:18Z")
> [@Pooter](#): > > That is so ignorant as to be repugnant in itself. That probably explains why he immediately jumped down from the top of the retaining wall they were perched on and being screaming they killed the President, they killed the President. The only thing ignorant or repugnant is your misinterpretaion of what I posted. The film is not that long. You claimed or insinuated that the Zapruder appeared to be a professional because the film was so steady even after witnessing the assassination. However, that is not what happened. Look at the film, again. It is noticeably unsteady in every single frame, so the “steady” claim is nonsense to begin with. Then, the film is not that long. Looking through the tiny viewfinder of that model,it is unlikely that Zapruder recognized what he was seeing at the moment that it occurred. As his brain processed the image he had just seen, he definitely did react with the exclamation that the president had been killed. So when he realized that he had witnessed the assassination, he did react violently. However, that was the point where he stopped filming. > [@Pooter](#): > > Such as the fact that seconds after the “shot” which Zapruder described echoed all around, there isn’t any noticeable reaction by the onlookers, but of course you see it don’t you… Really? Two points on this: - When I reviewed the film, even before Zapruder put down the camera one can see numerous people running and falling back from the parade route while many others stand still; - Few people have actually heard gunshots so often that they recognize them, instantly. Gunshots are routinely reported as cars backfiring, fireworks, and other sounds, so the fact that not every single person in every frame of the Zapruder film following the shots is ducking for cover means nothing more than that some people did recognize the shots as gunshots and reacted, some people did not recognize the shots as gunshots and failed to react, and some people may have recognized the shots as gunshots, but were simply too stunned to take any action in the few seconds that any one of them happen to appear on the Zapruder film. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-22-2013-kennedy-assassination/669130.md?page=2)