# 11 people in 1 car collectively wearing one seatbelt. Stupid bitch. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 15, 2004, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-people-in-1-car-collectively-wearing-one-seatbelt-stupid-bitch/274949 "2004-11-15T23:14:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-people-in-1-car-collectively-wearing-one-seatbelt-stupid-bitch/274949/1 "2004-11-15T23:14:31Z")
> [@](#): > > A speeding SUV packed with 10 children – none wearing seat belts – rolled over several times on Interstate 280 in San Francisco, killing three people and injuring eight when the driver swerved to take an off-ramp, according to the California Highway Patrol. > > Cherie Williams-Joseph, 28, of San Francisco was driving a Chevrolet Suburban about 80 mph at 7:30 p.m. Saturday when she missed her exit at Ocean Avenue and swerved over a raised median divider that separates the highway from the off-ramp, according to the CHP. > … > [CHP Officer] Chase said Williams-Joseph was related in some way to all 10 children in the SUV. No one in the vehicle was wearing a seat belt, and the three people who died were ejected. [Link](http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/11/15/BAG7V9RNCU1.DTL). Speeding? Check. Eleven people crammed into a vehicle? Check. Ten not wearing seat belts? Check. Completely fucking oblivious to everything? Check. God, what a stupid bitch. There are exits off 280 in the City every half a fucking mile, and signs for them all every quarter! It’s mindboggling how many stupid, dangerous decisions all congealed together at this one magical point in time and space. So many things could’ve been done, so many quick, easy things, but no. Your stupid ass chose to hurl yourself and ten relatives over a curb (right toward a steep ivy-covered embankment, IIRC) and _hope_, if you even cared that much. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-people-in-1-car-collectively-wearing-one-seatbelt-stupid-bitch/274949/2 "2004-11-15T23:44:08Z")
Horrible story, but where’d you get the idea _she_ was wearing a seatbelt? I’d be interested to know if there was alcohol at their family gathering. According to [_The Bay City News_](http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/archive/2004/11/13/crash13.DTL), both her and another driver were reportedly driving recklessly before the crash, and she crossed several lanes of traffic to try to make the exit. Suffering Christ. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![metrochic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@metrochic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/metrochic)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-people-in-1-car-collectively-wearing-one-seatbelt-stupid-bitch/274949/3 "2004-11-15T23:46:01Z")
> [@Troy McClure SF](#): > > God, what a stupid bitch. I could not agree more. Obviously, she’d been driving pretty recklessly the entire time as someone phoned in a report before the wreck. Fucking ridiculous and selfish and I can’t even begin to imagine being the parents of one of the other kids in the car. ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-people-in-1-car-collectively-wearing-one-seatbelt-stupid-bitch/274949/4 "2004-11-15T23:49:10Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > Horrible story, but where’d you get the idea _she_ was wearing a seatbelt? To add to this, a Suburban is configured to hold 8 or 9 adult passengers comfortably. A driver plus 10 kids (little ones on laps) isn’t a huge stretch. But overall, though, yeah. ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-people-in-1-car-collectively-wearing-one-seatbelt-stupid-bitch/274949/5 "2004-11-15T23:50:49Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > Horrible story, but where’d you get the idea _she_ was wearing a seatbelt? I could’ve missed it, but I only saw the reference to the ten kids not wearing belts. Seems to me she’d be in character to belt herself in while ignoring the kids. ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-people-in-1-car-collectively-wearing-one-seatbelt-stupid-bitch/274949/6 "2004-11-15T23:53:55Z")
> [@The Bay City News](#): > > It appears that the Suburban crossed all lanes of the freeway in an attempt to take the off-ramp Fuckinay! It’s like five or six lanes there! Fuck I hate people. ---
**Author:** ![capacitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@capacitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capacitor)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-people-in-1-car-collectively-wearing-one-seatbelt-stupid-bitch/274949/7 "2004-11-16T00:01:06Z")
A five-lane switch in a California freeway? Ouch, that is about as reckless as one can get. ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-people-in-1-car-collectively-wearing-one-seatbelt-stupid-bitch/274949/8 "2004-11-16T00:01:50Z")
AFAIK, she was not wearing her belt. She and the other 3 deaths(all children), were thrown from the vehicle and none had on a harness. Sam ---
**Author:** ![gotpasswords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c57346/32.png) [@gotpasswords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gotpasswords)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-people-in-1-car-collectively-wearing-one-seatbelt-stupid-bitch/274949/9 "2004-11-16T00:46:20Z")
Eep. That’s my exit, and I was there roughly ten minutes before her on the way home. It’s a rather busy area, and 55-60 is fairly often as fast as you can get, so she was going REALLY fast. ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-people-in-1-car-collectively-wearing-one-seatbelt-stupid-bitch/274949/10 "2004-11-16T00:49:56Z")
Just for the record… > [@](#): > > Cherie Williams-Joseph, 28, of San Francisco […] Williams-Joseph, her 16-year-old daughter, Joan Parker, and 4-year-old Reggie Bennett died at the scene, authorities said. Holy cow. 12 at the first birth and all 10 kids were “related to her somehow”. I just… man. I feel so bad for whoever else was responsible for those kids too. ---
**Author:** ![Eats\_Crayons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/278dde/32.png) [@Eats\_Crayons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eats_Crayons)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-people-in-1-car-collectively-wearing-one-seatbelt-stupid-bitch/274949/11 "2004-11-16T01:22:16Z")
> [@LaurAnge](#): > > Just for the record… > Holy cow. 12 at the first birth and all 10 kids were “related to her somehow”. I just… man. I feel so bad for whoever else was responsible for those kids too. Whoa! Well, given that the story says “she is related in some way” maybe the 16 year old is a step-child. Kinda wish the bitch hadn’t died but had to live with the guilt (and be sentenced to cleaning up brains from every other fatal car accident in the area). ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-people-in-1-car-collectively-wearing-one-seatbelt-stupid-bitch/274949/12 "2004-11-16T02:47:37Z")
I know that the other parents must feel bad, but where were they? How come they let their kids into a situation like that? Just asking. ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-people-in-1-car-collectively-wearing-one-seatbelt-stupid-bitch/274949/13 "2004-11-16T02:48:55Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > I know that the other parents must feel bad, but where were they? How come they let their kids into a situation like that? Just asking. I got the impression that she was either parent or step-parent or responsible for all of the kids in the van. ---
**Author:** ![LilyoftheValley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/54ee81/32.png) [@LilyoftheValley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilyoftheValley)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-people-in-1-car-collectively-wearing-one-seatbelt-stupid-bitch/274949/14 "2004-11-16T03:33:03Z")
There’s more I’d like to know about this story. How many were in car seats? You’re telling me that a 4-month-old was not in a car seat when a vehicle rolled 3 times and wasn’t killed? Actually, what is not mentioned in either article from what I can tell is that the 4-year-old who was killed because he was “not in a seatbelt” actually should not have been in a seatbelt at all, but legally should have been in a booster seat (well, assuming he’s not a 60-pound 4-year-old). That said…FUCK! You have 10 children in your car _including an infant_ and you are driving like an incontinent asshole? And your husband’s doing the same thing in another car, giving you the rare opportunity to prove that you’re both fucking morons? I hope CPS is taking a long hard look at the husband in the other car before they’re letting any of those injured children go home with him. ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-people-in-1-car-collectively-wearing-one-seatbelt-stupid-bitch/274949/15 "2004-11-16T11:17:16Z")
Actually, despite the incredible stupidity involved in this, it’s her husband I really felt sorry for. According to the article, he saw the whole thing in his rearview mirror. Assuming he was partially responsible for it, and from what the article said, I’d say he is, that just makes things worse. I cannot imagine the horror of seeing an SUV with your wife and children it in get into a horrible accident and be unable to do anything. It’s too late for her; maybe he’ll learn something from this? CJ ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-people-in-1-car-collectively-wearing-one-seatbelt-stupid-bitch/274949/16 "2004-11-16T15:57:23Z")
> [@Siege](#): > > Actually, despite the incredible stupidity involved in this, it’s her husband I really felt sorry for. There’s plenty he could’ve done to prevent or limit some of the damage. Fuck him, too. Learning the hard way can often be prevented by using the slightest bit of common sense. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-people-in-1-car-collectively-wearing-one-seatbelt-stupid-bitch/274949/17 "2004-11-16T16:10:13Z")
> [@Troy McClure SF](#): > > There’s plenty he could’ve done to prevent or limit some of the damage. Fuck him, too. Learning the hard way can often be prevented by using the slightest bit of common sense. What could he have done? I ask in all seriousness. Was he the other reckless driver? ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-people-in-1-car-collectively-wearing-one-seatbelt-stupid-bitch/274949/18 "2004-11-16T16:12:45Z")
> [@Troy McClure SF](#): > > Fuck I hate people. Then why are you angry that some died? ---
**Author:** ![Eats\_Crayons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/278dde/32.png) [@Eats\_Crayons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eats_Crayons)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-people-in-1-car-collectively-wearing-one-seatbelt-stupid-bitch/274949/19 "2004-11-16T16:15:31Z")
> [@Troy McClure SF](#): > > There’s plenty he could’ve done to prevent or limit some of the damage. Fuck him, too. Learning the hard way can often be prevented by using the slightest bit of common sense. Yeah, I get the impression (and granted this just wild speculation based on the way witnesses say they were BOTH driving like asshats) that perhaps she was following him because he knew the way. I can totally see some dickhead goofing around and “trying to lose them” thinking it was funny to make her work to keep up and not get lost. ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-people-in-1-car-collectively-wearing-one-seatbelt-stupid-bitch/274949/20 "2004-11-16T16:17:32Z")
> [@Metacom](#): > > Then why are you angry that some died? Good point. 😉 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-people-in-1-car-collectively-wearing-one-seatbelt-stupid-bitch/274949.md?page=2)