# 11 school shootings in the first 23 days of 2018 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 30, 2018, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-school-shootings-in-the-first-23-days-of-2018/807778 "2018-01-30T02:50:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-school-shootings-in-the-first-23-days-of-2018/807778/21 "2018-02-01T15:15:03Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > I’d say it is worrisome to see suicides as not a thing to worry about. MMV. No one, including that poster, said it was “not a thing to worry about”. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-school-shootings-in-the-first-23-days-of-2018/807778/22 "2018-02-01T15:45:07Z")
> **[So, about those 11 shootings in the first 25 days of January 2018 ...](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/so-about-those-11-shootings-in-the-first-25-days-of-january-2018)** > > There have not been 11 "school shootings" in the first 23 days of 2018, contrary to what you may have read in the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, the New York Daily News, National Public Radio, the Huffington Post, the Week, Business Insider,... I’d call the “11” figure misleading. This discussion probably would have gotten off to a better start if you’d done some basic fact-checking first. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-school-shootings-in-the-first-23-days-of-2018/807778/23 "2018-02-01T17:31:45Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > No one, including that poster, said it was “not a thing to worry about”. But with the phrase “hyped headline,” he was dismissive of minor shootings that did not rise (or sink) to the level of Columbine. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-school-shootings-in-the-first-23-days-of-2018/807778/24 "2018-02-01T17:55:59Z")
[I’m pretty sure this one can be added to whatever the current toal is, eh.](https://apnews.com/8359e62dd6d5418bb588ef04b5183072) > [@](#): > > Two students were shot inside a Los Angeles middle school classroom Thursday morning and police arrested a female student suspect, authorities said. > > Gunfire erupted shortly before 9 a.m. at Salvador B. Castro Middle School just west of the city’s downtown, police said. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-school-shootings-in-the-first-23-days-of-2018/807778/25 "2018-02-01T18:01:24Z")
New York Times headline: “School Shooting In Kentucky Was Nation’s 11th Of Year. It Was January 23.” The reality is [a bit different](http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/false-there-havent-been-10-other-school-shootings-this-year-like-the-one-in-kentucky/article/2647075). \*"Of the 10 other school shootings, four of them were homicides or attempted homicides. Two were suicides — one in an elementary school bathroom in Arizona and another in an elementary school parking lot in Michigan, when the school was closed and there were no children present. Two involved random instances of guns being shot at school buildings (one at a high school near Seattle, Wash., and another in San Bernardino, Calif., at the local Cal State University campus where, in both cases, no one could confirm if there was a shooter or where the bullets came from). One was the case of a student who confused a real gun with a training gun and as a result accidentally fired into a wall. Finally, one involved a man shooting a pellet gun at a school bus in Iowa. The cases that seem most related would be the four homicides and attempted homicides. But even of these, one took place in a college parking lot, where gunfire was exchanged between two vehicles with no reported injuries or deaths."\* It’s possible to express concern about any or all of these events without being complicit in (at least) careless reporting that tends to instill panic. [A takedown of similar sloppiness](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/12/no-there-were-not-355-mass-shootings-this-year). ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-school-shootings-in-the-first-23-days-of-2018/807778/26 "2018-02-01T18:03:48Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [I’m pretty sure this one can be added to whatever the current toal is, eh.](https://apnews.com/8359e62dd6d5418bb588ef04b5183072) In California? I thought their “gold standard” gun control laws were supposed to make them impervious to this sort of thing? Isn’t that the idea? If we were all more like California, these things wouldn’t happen here? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-school-shootings-in-the-first-23-days-of-2018/807778/27 "2018-02-01T18:07:29Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > In California? I thought their “gold standard” gun control laws were supposed to make them impervious to this sort of thing? Isn’t that the idea? If we were all more like California, these things wouldn’t happen here? Did you build that strawman yourself, or did you just get it from someone else? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-school-shootings-in-the-first-23-days-of-2018/807778/28 "2018-02-01T18:14:46Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Did you build that strawman yourself, or did you just get it from someone else? I credit California’s Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom and the LA Times: > [@](#): > > [In the wake of the worst mass shooting in modern U.S. history, some say the nation could look to California, a state where previous incidents have sparked laws to combat gun violence, for guidance. > > “I urge statehouses across the nation to look closely at the work we’ve accomplished here, through the Legislature and the ballot box, and act,” Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom said in a written statement …]([California adopted some of the toughest gun control laws in country after multiple mass shootings](http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-gun-bill-timeline-20171002-htmlstory.html)) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-school-shootings-in-the-first-23-days-of-2018/807778/29 "2018-02-07T04:19:15Z")
“And now, online teacher training for active shooters in schools, courtesy of the Department of Homeland Security” > **[Analysis | And now, online teacher training for active shooters in schools,...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2018/02/05/and-now-online-teacher-training-for-active-shooters-in-schools-courtesy-of-the-department-of-homeland-security/)** > > It's designed for first responders and built on the Unreal gaming engine. > [@](#): > > It’s early February 2018, and already this year there have been at least 14 incidents in schools with guns, some of them deadly. If the number surprises you, it may be because some of these events have gotten little coverage in the news because they have become sickeningly routine. > … > With active shooting situations in schools no longer uncommon, the Department of Homeland Security is now offering online training for teachers and first-responders to prepare for such a disaster — right on their computers. > … > Training is offered for teachers, staff and administrators, he said, which “will allow schools and law enforcement to train to a response without disrupting the students and be able to train repeatedly.” > > The training can be done on computer. > > “Virtual training doesn’t replace actual hands-on training,” Nenneman said, but will “augment” it. > … A sad commentary on this sad world. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2018, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-school-shootings-in-the-first-23-days-of-2018/807778/30 "2018-02-14T20:38:49Z")
[Another one today.](https://a.msn.com/r/2/BBJ8HLr?m=en-us) > [@](#): > > At least 20 people were injured when a gunman opened fire at a Florida high school on Wednesday, local media reported, with dozens of police and emergency officials surrounding the building while students fled. > … > The sheriff’s office said on Twitter that the shooter was still at large. Florida’s WSVN-TV reported at least 20 people were injured. Live television showed dozens of students running and walking away from the school, weaving their way between large numbers of emergency vehicles including police cars, ambulances and fire trucks. Local FOX-10 TV reported that five people were seen being treated by paramedics. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-school-shootings-in-the-first-23-days-of-2018/807778/31 "2018-02-15T16:26:03Z")
‘I’m not really shocked’: Florida high school prepared for the worst. Then it happened. > **[‘I’m not really shocked’: Florida high school prepared for the worst. Then it...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/02/15/im-not-really-shocked-florida-high-school-prepared-for-the-worst-then-it-happened/)** > > The loudspeaker barked “code red.” Teacher Jim Gard knew from his training it was time to lock the doors, cut the lights and hide his students in a closet. > [@](#): > > Mixed with the shock of Wednesday’s attack is a familiar frustration.As The Washington Post reported Wednesday, since the 1999 Columbine shooting in Colorado, more than 150,000 students attending at least 170 schools have experienced campus shootings. The Parkland shooting is now among the top10 deadliest mass shootings in U.S. history. Three of the incidents on the list have happened in the last five months… > > “I’m kind of surprised it happened here, but I’m not really shocked,” 17-year-old Ryan Kadel told The Post. “School shootings happen all the time, and then the news just forgets about them.” > … ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-school-shootings-in-the-first-23-days-of-2018/807778/32 "2018-02-15T19:31:38Z")
Send your thoughts and prayers. They help sooooo much. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-school-shootings-in-the-first-23-days-of-2018/807778/33 "2018-02-15T19:37:20Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > ‘I’m not really shocked’: Florida high school prepared for the worst. Then it happened. > > “since the 1999 Columbine shooting in Colorado, more than 150,000 students attending at least 170 schools have experienced campus shootings.” > > [http://wapo.st/2o9QIn5](http://wapo.st/2o9QIn5) from the original WP article - _This is at least the third school shooting this year and one of the deadliest on record. Beginning with Columbine 19 years ago, more than 150,000 students attending at least 170 primary or secondary schools have experienced a shooting on campus, according to a Washington Post analysis of online archives, state and federal enrollment figures, and news stories. That doesn’t count dozens of suicides, accidents and after-school assaults that have also exposed children to gunfire._ > **[‘A horrific, horrific day’: At least 17 killed in Florida school shooting](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2018/02/14/school-shooting-reported-at-florida-high-school/?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_no-name%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.33a55e11a151)** > > The suspect, a student who had been expelled, was armed with an AR-15, authorities said. Are they saying that 170 schools had a total enrollment of 150K students? (The 1999 Columbine monsters were bombers who intended to shoot their fellow students as they fled the school.) ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-school-shootings-in-the-first-23-days-of-2018/807778/34 "2018-02-15T19:41:01Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Are they saying that 170 schools had a total enrollment of 150K students? Yes, that’s how I read it. An average of 882 students per school. Not unreasonable. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-school-shootings-in-the-first-23-days-of-2018/807778/35 "2018-02-15T20:48:58Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Yes, that’s how I read it. An average of 882 students per school. Not unreasonable. Not unreasonable at all. The school in Florida yesterday has 3,000 students. My daughters grade has 750. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-school-shootings-in-the-first-23-days-of-2018/807778/36 "2018-02-15T22:12:36Z")
From the Washington Post link above (Mackenzie is a student): > [@](#): > > …In Mackenzie’s classroom upstairs, a police officer broke through the glass in the door, preparing the students to evacuate. The officer noticed that one of the students was wearing a bulletproof vest. Asked about the vest, the student explained he had carried it with him to school because his father is a police officer, Mackenzie recalled… This brought me up short. Think about sending your child off to school every day with a bulletproof vest. Just in case. And then it turns out he needed it that day. ☹ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/11-school-shootings-in-the-first-23-days-of-2018/807778.md?page=1)